Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[d00mGuArD]

So you have no idea if 'many' countries are using it or not, why did you even make it?

I was answering to that specific person.

But, here you go mate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_system
There is detailed map with the system of each country!

[JohnBrown1917]

I was answering to that specific person.

But, here you go mate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_system
There is detailed map with the system of each country!

That map lists how the head of state is elected, not how parliament is elected.\
...and even then, most EU states don't use the system you describe.

[infinitemeridian]

Biden is senile af
Klobuchar has no chance
Pete is slimy
Warren is weak

Only Sanders has any chance of landing this plane.

[Dug]

It's looking like 2016 all over again. The attacks on Sanders and how unfairly he's treated by MSM is just going to turn away independent and socialist voters to not show up (or vote Trump if they're retarded).

[infinitemeridian]

It's looking like 2016 all over again. The attacks on Sanders and how unfairly he's treated by MSM is just going to turn away independent and socialist voters to not show up (or vote Trump if they're retarded).

If Sanders loses, he needs to run 3rd party.

[I Push Buttons]

If Sanders loses, he needs to run 3rd party.

Hopefully he takes AOC and the gang with him.

[Dug]

If Sanders loses, he needs to run 3rd party.

That would basically be the nail in the coffin for Dems I feel and I think he knows that but maybe getting burned a second time he'll say fuck them and stop trying to help. In any case if he does I'll be voting for third party for the 1st time in my life

[infinitemeridian]

That would basically be the nail in the coffin for Dems I feel and I think he knows that but maybe getting burned a second time he'll say fuck them and stop trying to help. In any case if he does I'll be voting for third party for the 1st time in my life

Which is all the more reason to make him the nominee if you care about electibility.

[Benggaul]

If Sanders loses, he needs to run 3rd party.

And split the Dem vote so that we're saddled with Trump again. Brilliant strategy! /s

*sigh*

[JohnBrown1917]

And split the Dem vote so that we're saddled with Trump again. Brilliant strategy! /s

*sigh*

He wont run 3rd pary, but I can see many Sanders voters not voting at all in the primary.

[shimerra]

Which is all the more reason to make him the nominee if you care about electibility.

Because people like you are children who can't handle losses?

[JohnBrown1917]

Because people like you are children who can't handle losses?

Or people don't care about supporting candidates who don't care about them.

[Benggaul]

He wont run 3rd pary, but I can see many Sanders voters not voting at all in the primary.

Not voting in the primary isn't an issue. If they refuse to vote in the General if it's not Sanders then they are being petty and childish and it's partly due to these people that we were given Trump in the first place.

Any one of those candidates still standing in the Primaries would be better than Trump by leagues. I differ from Skroe in opinion about many things, but one thing I'm firmly in agreement on is that this is not a policy election. It's about getting that fucking narcissistic shithead out of office ASAP so that work can begin on rebuilding. None of the candidates are going to be able to accomplish anything much past that in their term--not Bernie, not Warren, not Buttigieg nor Biden, especially not while the Senate is still being held hostage by McConnell and the rest of the GOP (and there's little hope of changing that in 2020).

Refusing to vote in the General just because your "favorite" wasn't picked is both irresponsible and selfish. If someone truly believes in the principles and policies that Bernie is espousing then they can't NOT vote for the Democratic candidate if it's not Bernie. If they're allowing Trump to win just because Bernie lost (again) then they are being fucking hypocrites and are just about as bad for the US as the MAGA crowd.

[JohnBrown1917]

Not voting in the primary isn't an issue. If they refuse to vote in the General if it's not Sanders then they are being petty and childish and it's partly due to these people that we were given Trump in the first place.

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Or maybe a lot of people can not be bothered to vote for the lesser evil. The dems always act like they are entitled to the votes of everybody who is not on the hardcore right-wing.


Most poor people in the US do not vote, maybe you guys have bigger problems. But this exact sort of disdain of them by the dems is indeed what caused people like Trump to get into power.

[infinitemeridian]

And split the Dem vote so that we're saddled with Trump again. Brilliant strategy! /s

*sigh*

What difference does it make? If Sanders loses, then we get Biden, which means we'll just get another Trump in 4 years.

[We are covfefe]

Bernie bros showing themselves to be no better than the group they supposedly hate. Classic.

[Fahrenheit]

What difference does it make? If Sanders loses, then we get Biden, which means we'll just get another Trump in 4 years.

Not necessarily. And that a very defeatist attitude to have.
In another 4-8 years another several million mostly religious and majority Caucasian Boomers and Silent generation people will have croaked and another several million less religious, mostly mixed race/minority Gen Zers will take their place in the voting populace, not exactly those in the GOP's wheelhouse. The GOP is on borrowed time as it's currently constituted and they're going to need a a serious cleaning from top to bottom to change how their viewed by anyone under 45. That is not to say the no Republican will win again, or anything quite so dramatic, but the window for electing a person the caliber of Trump I think is coming to a close.

I guess, ultimately, I'm pretty much fine with any of the Democrats running, but if we get Biden, I'm OK with the possibly holding pattern (status quo) on policy until the population is ready to push for more liberal policies.

[JohnBrown1917]

Bernie bros showing themselves to be no better than the group they supposedly hate. Classic.

The DNC showing it will never change.

[Benggaul]

Or maybe a lot of people can not be bothered to vote for the lesser evil. The dems always act like they are entitled to the votes of everybody who is not on the hardcore right-wing.


Most poor people in the US do not vote, maybe you guys have bigger problems. But this exact sort of disdain of them by the dems is indeed what caused people like Trump to get into power.

People who do not agree with the hardcore right-wing should be voting against them, yes. Otherwise, when the hardcore right-wing win, those people can expect their problems to be exacerbated. Also, it's primarily Democratic policies that support the poor whereas Republicans are generally trying to take away social programs for them and block expansions or new protections. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that the Democrats aren't beholden to big business and Wall Street nearly as much as the GOP, but the poor (and middle class) suffer more under GOP leadership than they do Democrats and they cannot hope for things to improve at all if the entire country is forced to take steps back under the administration of people like Trump.

What difference does it make? If Sanders loses, then we get Biden, which means we'll just get another Trump in 4 years.

You'll excuse me for not crediting that prediction. It doesn't come close to automatically following.

[infinitemeridian]

People who do not agree with the hardcore right-wing should be voting against them, yes. Otherwise, when the hardcore right-wing win, those people can expect their problems to be exacerbated. Also, it's primarily Democratic policies that support the poor whereas Republicans are generally trying to take away social programs for them and block expansions or new protections. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that the Democrats aren't beholden to big business and Wall Street nearly as much as the GOP, but the poor (and middle class) suffer more under GOP leadership than they do Democrats and they cannot hope for things to improve at all if the entire country is forced to take steps back under the administration of people like Trump.



You'll excuse me for not crediting that prediction. It doesn't come close to automatically following.

A vote for Biden (or any of the other candidates) is basically a vote for Obama-era politics, which is how we got Trump in the first place. Personally, I'd prefer not to have a President Tom Cotton 4 years down the road.