No thank you, bye bye TF
I've never seen a more stark example of why the devs don't listen to the playerbase anymore. It is actually, legitimately hard to believe that sane people would protest the removal of titanforging. Then again, no change in the history of WoW has ever garnered unanimous praise.
"Why has government been instituted at all? Because the passions of men will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice, without constraint." - Alexander Hamilton
If you believe that the TF system rewards luck, that simply means you don't understand statistics.
It seems that a lot of people place far too much stock in the importance of individual pieces of loot. What actually matters is how your gear translates into performance, and that is a function of your gear as a whole. To that end you need to look at the bigger picture. The gear you get over the period of a month matters much, much more than whether you got lucky with a TF roll.
The luck factor introduces a bit of noise into the process, but at the end of the day it's consistency and effort over a long period of time which really determines how much you're rewarded.
Corruption is garbage, even if they nerf infinite stars. It will be worth more than +40ilvl upgrade anyways.
Titanforging was actually capped at +25 for heroic/m+ and +10 for mythic raids.
Corruption has no such cap as it simply adds tons of damage.
And it is BECAUSE people whined about TF, which, in your wildest dreams could give you +1.2% upgrade.
It was OK system and for casuals 1000x better than corruption because it was simpler.
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Then its a personal problem and jealousy. Honestly we need less people like you to make game less toxic.
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Higher amount? No lol, for heroic raiders and m+ players they had to spend MUCH more time to get to the same ilvl as mythic raider. Remember, statistics and math. You are not gettting titanforges left and right, and you can't pick the slot.
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I did guess it. TF was Ok system, we are getting something much worse instead. Great job guys, great job.
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And they do. Do the actual math.
By my estimation, a mythic raiding guild might need to spend twice as much time in a week to progress at the same rate through mythic as a heroic guild progresses through heroic. The value of mythic raiding gear is easily compensation enough.
If it's taking you the same amount of effort to get 1 piece of mythic raid loot as it's taking me to get 60 heroic kills, the problem isn't with TF, it's with the fact that you're not good enough to defeat mythic bosses.
Pretty much this. The one thing that kept me going at level 60 in Classic for a few weeks was having a list of BiS items I could finish. Then I quit anyway because having items means nothing unless they're means to an end and there are no ends worth pursuing in Classic and the gameplay is trash. If they just inserted the gearing system from Classic (with some adjustments) into modern WoW, it would be so great.
Because people have that stupid tryhard mentality. While normal people would just login to play the game and run instances for fun and enjoy random rewards for playing the content, the tryhards can't tolerate that shit. In their head there must be a list of BIS and a method to farm them and to get them before anyone else. The game sucks eversince blizzard tried to make these tryhards happy.
I'm not saying corruption is good but Titanforging sucked. You should just get the reward fitting for the level of content you do. End of story.
It's not jealousy when I have the same or better items than them. Why would I be jealous on someone who got less than me. But I want a fair balance between effort/skill and reward. Heroic raids are piss easy and should not give good gear. End of story.
Fortunately Blizzard agree with people like me and have realized that casuals like you just want to feel "special" without having to put in any effort. You want to feel equal to a mythic raider when the reality is that you are not. You should not have the same gear as a mythic raider and Blizzard should not baby you by giving you some fake sensation that you are better than you are. You're a casual pleb that does heroic raiding and will never be better than that. You deserve the shit gear you get. Be happy with what you get or put in more effort. Drop the loser mentality.
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Well Raiders have to do Mythic+ to stay competetiv. Raiding is the backbone of MMORPGs. Stop making it worse. And stop wanting to get stuff people worked hard for. If someone killed all mythic bosses he deserves something special like transmogs and a mount. I am not high end. We stopped at council mythic. And i am fine with it. I raid two evening a wekk from 20 to 22:30.... so not that much.
The only thing i am annoyed by in this regard is, that PvP sets are completly removed after the season, while you can get everything from PvE afterwards.
On topic of TF: It was horribly annoying. Running the same boss 10000 of time hoping for an upgrade for an item you allready have... Now at least at some point you are done. because corruption resistance is finite. At some point you are done. And this will happen faster than TF maxed out with sockets.
And the whole "out of date practice"... what? Why? It is an MMORPG! That is the core of the game. If you want to play with strangers go to destiny 2 or use PUGs. You won't really get far into Mythic but hero is easy clearable.
Also you don't NEED the Mythic Wepaons. Are they the best? Propably. But it is the prestige tier. Like Gladiators in PvP
Yes, measuring your own achievements relative to other people's achievements is normal.
Yes, expecting to get a better reward if you put more effort in is normal.
But someone getting a 445 coral from a heroic raid does not mean they got the same reward as you for your raiding achievement, because the reward you get from mythic raiding isn't about 1 item, it's about the collective items you have in total.
So, no, getting angry because some heroic raider got a 445 trinket from a boss is neither rational nor justified. It's your issue which you need to learn to manage.
Nonsense. There is zero problem with the occasional heroic item titanforging to mythic level. The collective gear quality is what matters and the rate of TF drops is easily low enough to ensure that no heroic raider progressing at the same rate (measured week/week) as a mythic raider will come close.
u mean hardcore players love that they have less than 0.001% chance to get best gear (we counting max titanforge, also that was average during Legion, did they buff it in BFA?) from any given boss?
Seriously titanforge is worst for anyone, as long it exist, u know that item is sh8t since there is still full 25 ilvl higher than it, meaning that in order to feel u got best gear, u need a chance that will take literally years of clearing same raid on same character to get the best gear that is the reason why u raid in first place... even Vanilla u could count average time to get the best gear u want (also probably u'll never get best gear in every slot, since it was 40 men, but at least u can save dkp and count the 10-25% chance drop from boss to know when u'll get that chest u really want)
also i was pure alliance in vanilla, i don't remember even once blizz gave any hint about shaman tanks, at best they were tanky healers but actual tanks? in mail?
shamans were off tank due to their survival, but never even once i heard someone talk about a shaman tank, and i started horde at TBC btw
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http://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power