Gonna miss titanforging.

[Wries]

I'm with OP 100%

I will add to it that I thought they made titanforging worse by significantly lowering the odds in BFA compared to Legion. The system worked perfectly in that expansion. Always a chance for an upgrade made for an excellent carrot running lower difficulties not only for helping out others but yourself as well.

Been raiding mythic in parts of Legion and most of BFA, and I just don't find it fun anymore. The latter halves of every mythic raid are practice of muscle memory 'til you got it, like professional showdancing or something to that effect, and is thus asking for high commitment. I'm not opposed to the setting and think it should exist, but I don't think any of those people are running mythic for ilvl-prestige in the first place. It should drop highest ilvl available of course, but it doesn't have to be the sole source of such gear.

[FossilFree]

It's weird for Blizzard to remove replayability like this. So many fewer people running content for upgrades will eat into that bottom line.

[Verdugo]

It's weird for Blizzard to remove replayability like this. So many fewer people running content for upgrades will eat into that bottom line.

Well maybe they should make the content not suck if they can only bait the masses with rewards as an incentive.

[Kaver]

It should drop highest ilvl available of course, but it doesn't have to be the sole source of such gear.

I agree with this. But the other sources should be of similar difficulty. I feel bad for players that push +25 keys and get shit gear. They deserve better because they are great players and do really hard content. No way I say. And fortunately Blizzard say the same now.

However, this empathy doesn’t apply to heroic raiders who just want better gear for no good reason. They want the chance to get the same level of gear as people who do harder content but without having to do the harder content. It’s about risk and reward. You cannot and should not get good rewards without leaving your comfort zone.

Heroic raids are very easy content. And easy content should not drop good gear in any scenario.

[Gorsameth]

Ahahaha 25%
4k at lev 1 minus 25% = 3k = STILL TURBO OP
14k at lev 3 minus 25% = 10k = HOLY SHIT UBER TURBO MEGA OP

There you have it, have fun with corruption cause titanforging was bad

mommy that guy got 2% larger ice cream than me, he doesnt deserve it
(a rich kid shouting at poor kid in amusement park while having S10 in his pocket and wearing gucci clothes)

So what the owner of the ice cream parlor does (blizzard) ? Gives 3 big ice creams to poor kid for free. Enjoy.


I really really really really really hope blizzard slaps even more RNGForging system in shadowlands. I really hope they do.
It will be a gigantic dickslap in the face to community, and community deserves it.

Your aware that people who don't like Titanforging can not like Corruption either right? That them wanting less loot RNG doesn't make it their fault when Blizzards adds something even worse.
That is on Blizzard for making something even worse to replace a bad system. Not the people complaining about the bad system.

[vipers]

First need to have RNG god so that item drop and then second RNG god to give best titanforging

[sam86]

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And this is the prime example of mentality issue, you DONT need to get best gear and titanforged was nerfed in BfA, twice in legion, once in BfA.

if ur aim from raiding is to get 'a' gear not best gear, before u notice u won't even aim to raid
raid reward is gear, ppl raid in hope to get best gear, not 'some' gear
and method example is sh8t, of course no one expect to have BiS gear in first week a raid is released, u aim to get it over time, or at least get some of it, in titanforge system u are praying to RNG gods for a 1 in million chance that item drop, and u can also win it rolling against someone alt who is there first time and will roll 100, in vanilla u know it has a 10-25% chance, and u only work on ur dkp, u know a worst case scenario to get best chest is in weeks, not years (both examples u won't get all items BiS before next tier, in vanilla because u compete with 40 and in BFA because chance an item drop in first place is in millions)

[Kaver]

Your aware that people who don't like Titanforging can not like Corruption either right? That them wanting less loot RNG doesn't make it their fault when Blizzards adds something even worse.
That is on Blizzard for making something even worse to replace a bad system. Not the people complaining about the bad system.

Exactly. They guy seem to think that everyone in here praises the corruption system which is of course not the case. I want both systems out of the game.

The thing that I’m really happy about now is that if a heroic raider want the best gear in the game they have to either do a +15 key or evolve and go to mythic raiding. Natural progress.

[sam86]

First need to have RNG god so that item drop and then second RNG god to give best titanforging

average item drop is between 10-25%, i can't believe i say that (probably because titanforging) but that isn't something u need to pray to drop
the problem is best titanforge proc, in Legion it was 1 in million for an item that has 19% chance drop, that it drop with best procs possible, meaning u need on average kill a boss a million time, to get the best chest possible, now u don't need just pray, u need to sacrifice a million virgin girl to please the rng god to give u chance it drop, then when it finally drops ur guildmate 5th alt who was in run for fun will roll 100 and take it while u who run it on main for the 1502th time will roll -infinity because u know ur luck
ppl raid to get gear, the best possible, not for any other reason, literally no one aim for hardest raid just to raid, maybe only exception is in Wrath because we actually wanted to see the end of Lich King ourselves because how personal his journey was from wc3

[kaminaris]

Again - they're farming gear for the same reason all raiders are. Their gear on first kill tends to be super good too, because they split run heroic many times during week 1.

Do you think these people go into the world first race with shit gear? They're also spamming M+ constantly outside of raid as well for even more gear.

Super good? No, their gear on first kill is usually garbage, I saw shadow priest with 385 mythic 5 trinket on their first jaina kill. Their overall ilvl is goddamn low. So much for "bis" gear i guess.

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It’s interesting that you perceived that as an insult. Heroic players are mediocre. It’s not an insult unless you make it to be yourself. If you have a problem with being mediocre then you should think about doing something about it. Words wont change your status but actions will.

My argument:

- Heroic raiders get heroic level gear with no exceptions.
- Mythic raiders get mythic level gear with no exceptions.

What is your argument FOR titanforging?

The only people I feel bad for are the m+ players that push +25 keys. They deserve good gear.

But Heroic raiders get the gear they deserve: Heroic gear. If you want better gear than that, then you have to push your limit.

Titanforging gave non-zero replay value to raids and M+. When you are running the same dungeon over and over again, you have slim chance of getting at least anything worthwhile. Or when you are clearing raid for N-th time.

Nobody should care about what heroic or mythic raiders gets, your argument is pure jealousy which - is not even a proper argument.
Simply because heroic raider has no chance to outgear mythic raider.

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Well maybe they should make the content not suck if they can only bait the masses with rewards as an incentive.

Maybe you should think before speaking? Who said content (raids/m+) sucks? Nobody.

Without gear and end-boss mount, raids are have exactly ZERO replay value which means if you could not drop any upgrade from bosses or mount you would clear raid only once, after that, there is no point in going there again. You already cleared it, beat the highest level.

M+ are bit more fun yet still, aside from pushing arbitrary number (rio score) there is no way for people who run only M+ to progress further as they will hit the gear wall.

[Loveliest]

I do the exact same content as someone else, but they get a substantially better piece of the same gear for no reason.
Who thought this was smart?

I kill the boss with my other guildies and some get loot and some don't get anything, for no reason. I suppose this is WAY different.

[Verdugo]

I think its safe to ignore kaminaris, he is just contrarian at this point.

[kaminaris]

Your aware that people who don't like Titanforging can not like Corruption either right? That them wanting less loot RNG doesn't make it their fault when Blizzards adds something even worse.
That is on Blizzard for making something even worse to replace a bad system. Not the people complaining about the bad system.

If you check my post history, the very first comment (couple of months ago) I made about corruption replacing titanforging was something along the lines of:

You guys are absolutely insane thinking that corruption is better, anyone who bitched about titanforging will bitch about corruption.

And no, TF wasn't bad system. The only thing that was bad about it was players who are toxic and jealous. Because they could not understand the math and statistics.
So I really hope blizz makes even worse system for these people. I stopped caring about gear after I cleared the first mythic raid in this game which was couple of years ago.

[Aliven]

Hah, so you are basically complaining about almost every single game made ever. The best weapons/armors being from, or acquired after you've taken down last/extremely tough bosses has been a staple in gaming since it's inception, really.

Lul, staple in gaming is after you finish last boss, the game end

[justandulas]

Titanforging and wf take away the real profession ladder of needing to beat A to get to B, B to C, etc. now it’s all rng and diablo 3 like luck

It’s a game designed for people who didn’t like the original game in some ways

I’d prefer having to rely on a social structure to succeed and the gear have relevance rather than solo retail wow experience and everyone being treated as equals. No one is equal in wow, you should be what you earn and nothing more

[schwank05]

Because it shouldn't feel bad to get a baseline mythic item.

Titanforging was one of the worst things Blizzard ever did to this game.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I miss the good ol days when you only had 1 raid difficulty and could walk in knowing that the loot that dropped from boss X would have stats Y. I also miss Master looter, Raids were great and I think that Wrath early on had it right with Activated Hardmodes The Sarth 3 Drakes, and then Ulduar had it perfect IMO not all bosses need hard modes, but the ones that do are unique and challenging.

[Aliven]

You can screech as much as you like, wont change my long held position on Titanforging.

Corruption is not perfect, but it is patch specific.

Stay triggered.

Translation "Im to stuborn to listen to logic, reason and arguments, LALALALALALA"

[Swnem]

Do you understand the concept of being finished? Now go and play an alt.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Translation "Im to stuborn to listen to logic, reason and arguments, LALALALALALA"

What logic, reason and arguments? Your post comes across as if it's written by a 12-year old boy.

I don't like Titanforging. I don't like Corruption neither, and I won't change my opinion on either system because some childish tantrums thrown by people unable to grasp the concept of subjectivity. If you say that Titanforging was mathematically less invasive than Corruption, that's alright, I grasp it just fine (it ain't rocket science I trust you know) but my distaste for the system will remain.

The bonus of Corruption is that it's highly patch themed. Titanforging was not. I'm glad one is gone and I hope the other won't follow us into Shadowlands.

[FlubberPuddy]

The bonus of Corruption is that it's highly patch themed. Titanforging was not. I'm glad one is gone and I hope the other won't follow us into Shadowlands.

It won't follow us into Shadowlands (other than being the gear we wear transitioning between old expac and new expac. But one of the very recent interviews with Blizzard (I think the one with Ion) it mentioned that Corruption is specific to Vizion's of N'zoth patch and won't be continuing in Shadowlands.

So we're not going to have wf/tf/corruption so seemingly they'll come up with something different. I'm just glad to be back to no tf/wf as it gives back that a little bit of that ladder of progression.