How is it possible that so few families have built any form of capital?

[Ivanstone]

Once again, all those other things have "killed" people.

I'm well aware of what politics is, I simply oppose your authoritarian nature. I oppose your desire to have government solve all your problems for you, instead of taking some personal fucking responsibility.

If you don't want Kinder Eggs, then don't buy them.

I'm authoritarian? Because I understand what politics are? You said you wanted to ban harmful things. You desire to ban harmful things is authoritarian. I'm simply a believer in things that work. If government action works better than private action, I'll take the former every time. Government action is nothing more than people negotiating for things that they find beneficial. It has its downsides (every GOP politician since Roosevelt) but there are benefits like public education, single payer healthcare and the fire department.

PS You can buy Kinder Eggs in the USA. The ban was modified years ago but your too lazy to check these things out. So much for personal responsibility.

[Machismo]

I'm authoritarian? Because I understand what politics are? You said you wanted to ban harmful things. You desire to ban harmful things is authoritarian. I'm simply a believer in things that work. If government action works better than private action, I'll take the former every time. Government action is nothing more than people negotiating for things that they find beneficial. It has its downsides (every GOP politician since Roosevelt) but there are benefits like public education, single payer healthcare and the fire department.

PS You can buy Kinder Eggs in the USA. The ban was modified years ago but your too lazy to check these things out. So much for personal responsibility.

Yeah, keep thinking that. You are authoritarian, because you want to control every aspect of people's lives. Meanwhile, I want people to be free to do what they want, so long as they are not harming others.

And, I hate to break it to you, but Kinder Eggs have changed. It's now a dipping goo.

[mittacc]

The compounding interest of 20k over 10 years (assuming that you're at the end of your age-scale) would amass somewhere around 100k, or 250k (with 1k monthly addition) at a 7% return.
It sounds way too low an amount to retire on at 35. all given i don't know how the market/situation is in your country. but if we assume that the average human lives till 80-85, then that compound rate would only be enough to cover 500usd/month living expenses, all inclusive. That'd be living on a rock without having the capital for unforeseen expenses or any savings.

I will obviously continue to contribute to my portfolio? It's enough to cover the basics of surviving. As my salary and dividends/returns increase over the years, I will contribute more and a larger part of my income.

[Ivanstone]

Meanwhile, I want people to be free to do what they want, so long as they are not harming others.

How very authoritarian of you. Why do you feel the need to stop people from harming each other?

why do you feel the need to hold a gun to someone else's head to get them to participate?

Seriously? Do you think before you type? You plainly stated that you want people to not harm other people. How the fuck do you think that's accomplished?

[Dug]

In the USA, when you retire you have to sell your house in order to pay medical bills.

I can't wait for republicans to realize this when their baby boomin' ass starts to get sick and they can't give their money or house to Baby Tommy because they voted against healthcare.

No need to wait it's already happening to them and they still vote against it. They'd rather die broke and sick than have to pay a little more in taxes

[Machismo]

How very authoritarian of you. Why do you feel the need to stop people from harming each other?

Seriously? Do you think before you type? You plainly stated that you want people to not harm other people. How the fuck do you think that's accomplished?

Yeah, nice try. The guy defending government in every aspect of our lives trying to preach... is this what you have been relegated to?

All because people like you want to ban Kinder Eggs and brown people.

[Jonnusthegreat]

This seems like a really weird claim - are you actually saying that there's absolutely no surplus value generated to consumers as a result of private economic transactions?

I'm saying that value isn't part of an economic model.

[Ivanstone]

Yeah, nice try. The guy defending government in every aspect of our lives trying to preach... is this what you have been relegated to?

Yep. Because you refuse to see what a lack of government is like. You think you're comfortable because of work you claim you've done but in reality you were fucking carried by the government you claim to hate.

The world is complex. You refuse to see it as such. You claim you want to prevent people from harming each other but are incapable of understanding what that actually means. Its ok the rest of us will take care of you no matter how much you hate us for doing so.

[Machismo]

Yep. Because you refuse to see what a lack of government is like. You think you're comfortable because of work you claim you've done but in reality you were fucking carried by the government you claim to hate.

The world is complex. You refuse to see it as such. You claim you want to prevent people from harming each other but are incapable of understanding what that actually means. Its ok the rest of us will take care of you no matter how much you hate us for doing so.

Wait, am I an authoritarian, or not?

You really should make up your mind.

[Ivanstone]

Wait, am I an authoritarian, or not?

You really should make up your mind.

Its hard to tell. You keep contradicting yourself. On one hand, you boldly profess to be this freedom lover. Yet you want people to not harm each other. You offer no solutions to either or how those can concepts coexist.

At the end of the day you still live in a complex world that has mostly benefited you through government regulation. You'll either recognize that or you wont. The only thing I can guarantee you'll do is whine about it on the government created and regulated internet.

[Machismo]

Its hard to tell. You keep contradicting yourself. On one hand, you boldly profess to be this freedom lover. Yet you want people to not harm each other. You offer no solutions to either or how those can concepts coexist.

At the end of the day you still live in a complex world that has mostly benefited you through government regulation. You'll either recognize that or you wont. The only thing I can guarantee you'll do is whine about it on the government created and regulated internet.

Nah, I'm remaining amazingly consistent. You let me know when you have it figured out.

[Yadryonych]

All because people like you want to ban Kinder Eggs and brown people.

Why Kinder Eggs?

[Ivanstone]

Why Kinder Eggs?

There's a small toy in them. A few kids choked to death on the toy so some countries have banned them. There's a version of the egg without the toy that isn't banned. Some would say that the latter eggs are of poor quality but most American chocolate is of poor quality so that's not surprising.

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Nah, I'm remaining amazingly consistent. You let me know when you have it figured out.

The only thing your consistent at is enjoying the fruits of government regulation without acknowledging it.

[Machismo]

There's a small toy in them. A few kids choked to death on the toy so some countries have banned them. There's a version of the egg without the toy that isn't banned. Some would say that the latter eggs are of poor quality but most American chocolate is of poor quality so that's not surprising.

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The only thing your consistent at is enjoying the fruits of government regulation without acknowledging it.

Well, I think I'm going to need you to back that up with evidence.

[Ivanstone]

Well, I think I'm going to need you to back that up with evidence.

BOOM! The internet. You know the thing you whine about government on.

Since you're also a tech worker, your current financial well being is also dependent on something the government provided. You also said you had a small business. How well would that small business work without the government enforcing contracts?

[Machismo]

BOOM! The internet. You know the thing you whine about government on.

Since you're also a tech worker, your current financial well being is also dependent on something the government provided. You also said you had a small business. How well would that small business work without the government enforcing contracts?

Are you fucking serious? You are still trying to argue against something that I simply did not say.

You do realize that I support the existence of government... right? This is what happens when you people build straw men all the time, you are trying to argue against whit that I simply did not say.

As for contracts, I have stated in the past I support the privatized contract dispute control. If both parties agree to abide by the rulings of the third party, then that third party need not be a government.

So, evidence... at your nearest convenience.

let me guess, your next evidence is going to be, ROADS!!!!!!!!

[Ivanstone]

Are you fucking serious? You are still trying to argue against something that I simply did not say.

You do realize that I support the existence of government... right? This is what happens when you people build straw men all the time, you are trying to argue against whit that I simply did not say.

As for contracts, I have stated in the past I support the privatized contract dispute control. If both parties agree to abide by the rulings of the third party, then that third party need not be a government.

So, evidence... at your nearest convenience.

let me guess, your next evidence is going to be, ROADS!!!!!!!!

You wanted evidence that the government does positive things for you. I provided it. You didn't like my answer and accused me of building a strawman. You simply lack the vision to see what's presented before you.

Roads are another excellent example that you obviously take for granted. Amongst the many, many other things the government does for you.

The difference between you and me is that I understand that things like the internet and roads are useful government projects that are used by almost everybody. Its not socialism but it does need tax money to work. I also extend that thinking to things like healthcare since participation in the healthcare market is usually involuntary and the private healthcare system is run by thieves and murderers. The American system only vaguely works because a majority of the population still gets decent healthcare insurance through their employers and also a shit tonne of propaganda that you help perpetuate. This system is starting to breakdown because the aforementioned thieves and murderers are stretching the patience of private industry.

PS 3rd Party Contract dispute exists. Its widely used as a cudgel for the rich to use against the poor. Even if the 3rd party is honest in their duties, they're still a regulated industry that uses regulated professionals who had regulated training.

[Machismo]

You wanted evidence that the government does positive things for you. I provided it. You didn't like my answer and accused me of building a strawman. You simply lack the vision to see what's presented before you.

Roads are another excellent example that you obviously take for granted. Amongst the many, many other things the government does for you.

The difference between you and me is that I understand that things like the internet and roads are useful government projects that are used by almost everybody. Its not socialism but it does need tax money to work. I also extend that thinking to things like healthcare since participation in the healthcare market is usually involuntary and the private healthcare system is run by thieves and murderers. The American system only vaguely works because a majority of the population still gets decent healthcare insurance through their employers and also a shit tonne of propaganda that you help perpetuate. This system is starting to breakdown because the aforementioned thieves and murderers are stretching the patience of private industry.

PS 3rd Party Contract dispute exists. Its widely used as a cudgel for the rich to use against the poor. Even if the 3rd party is honest in their duties, they're still a regulated industry that uses regulated professionals who had regulated training.

No, that's not what I asked for... Jesus, you really need to stop trying to build straw men.

I'm not an anarchist.

Let me know when you have that part figured out.

if your system is so damn great, why do you feel the need to force people to take part?

[Zan15]

You wanted evidence that the government does positive things for you. I provided it. You didn't like my answer and accused me of building a strawman. You simply lack the vision to see what's presented before you.

Roads are another excellent example that you obviously take for granted. Amongst the many, many other things the government does for you.

The difference between you and me is that I understand that things like the internet and roads are useful government projects that are used by almost everybody. Its not socialism but it does need tax money to work. I also extend that thinking to things like healthcare since participation in the healthcare market is usually involuntary and the private healthcare system is run by thieves and murderers. The American system only vaguely works because a majority of the population still gets decent healthcare insurance through their employers and also a shit tonne of propaganda that you help perpetuate. This system is starting to breakdown because the aforementioned thieves and murderers are stretching the patience of private industry.

PS 3rd Party Contract dispute exists. Its widely used as a cudgel for the rich to use against the poor. Even if the 3rd party is honest in their duties, they're still a regulated industry that uses regulated professionals who had regulated training.

What he wants is to only pay for the things he wants too under his own set of terms and conditions not realizing if everyone did that then the cost for the things he wanted would increase and end up costing him what it does now since the majority of people do not have the same "wants" and will refuse to pay for all those things.

He still hasn't even explained how something as simple as the military gets paid for under his system and how the military will only provide protections for people whom pay and "choose" to pay for it.... so under his system he would have to pay 2-4x what he pays currently to make up for the 50-60-100 million people who do not want to pay for the military.

Then he is not even consistent with what he wants to pay for and what services he wants the govt to perform since half of what he wants is dependent on the very part of the govt he says they should not be involved in.

[Machismo]

What he wants is to only pay for the things he wants too under his own set of terms and conditions not realizing if everyone did that then the cost for the things he wanted would increase and end up costing him what it does now since the majority of people do not have the same "wants" and will refuse to pay for all those things.

He still hasn't even explained how something as simple as the military gets paid for under his system and how the military will only provide protections for people whom pay and "choose" to pay for it.... so under his system he would have to pay 2-4x what he pays currently to make up for the 50-60-100 million people who do not want to pay for the military.

Then he is not even consistent with what he wants to pay for and what services he wants the govt to perform since half of what he wants is dependent on the very part of the govt he says they should not be involved in.

Well, people want a military, so they would pay for it. Your first paragraph explains the second.