Horrific Visions - ilvl ?

[asil]

Pretty much this.
Being a clothie that has to face tank everything without any semblance of burst is the bomb for this. But sure, let's nerf priests even more because of stupid WF race

A) Priests weren't nerfed because of the WF race but because shadow was so absurdly busted it limited blizzards ability to design fights, just like legion affliction. The spec was more overtuned than I've ever seen a spec before in my entire time playing this game.

B) I easily did these visions on my priest alt.

[schwarzkopf]

It seems Schwarzkopf's problem is his disability hinders him controlling his char to the point he can't run away from damage and needs to heal up much more than everyone else.

That would be incorrect ... my lack of having abilities to heal up is hindering me. The disability just determines which classes I can play well and which ones I cannot.

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And my mage is trash geared, 427, but I do play frost.

I play arcane ... and it is ill equipped for the visions.

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Orb + blizzard?

Yeah - I'm unable to use Blizzard due to disability, that's why I play Arcane - it doesn't require reticule placement.

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Then you're playing Frost wrong.

I'm not playing Frost - I'm playing Arcane.

Please keep up

[Specialka]

That would be incorrect ... my lack of having abilities to heal up is hindering me. The disability just determines which classes I can play well and which ones I cannot.

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I play arcane ... and it is ill equipped for the visions.

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Yeah - I'm unable to use Blizzard due to disability, that's why I play Arcane - it doesn't require reticule placement.

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I'm not playing Frost - I'm playing Arcane.

Please keep up

Well, arcane has issues with trash mob in mm+ and it is the same here. And you need to tank them.

Frost has better handling of trashmob and more cc. Simple as that. Frost would be far better than Fire or Frost.

The issue I have is that I do not want to respec my azerite gear to switch to Frost and I do not have any other pieces. And obv, I am Haste/vers, I do not know which stats are good for Frost but I do not want to farm a specific gear for visions.

[schwarzkopf]

Well, arcane has issues with trash mob in mm+ and it is the same here.

I certainly don't have problems with trash mobs in M+ ... arcane is awesome in M+. Or do you run your M+ without a tank ?

Frost has better handling of trashmob and more cc. Simple as that. Frost would be far better than Fire or Frost.

And a DH has even better handling of it than a Frost mage too ... however I play an ARCANE MAGE, I also play a BALANCE DRUID very poorly.

Yet the balance druid sails through the visions without a problem, the arcane mage - not a chance.

My comment was simply that different classes/specs have different levels of success in the horrific visions - nothing more nothing less. Seeing as you agree 100% with that statement - not sure why the continuing argument ?

[Video Games]

That would be incorrect ... my lack of having abilities to heal up is hindering me. The disability just determines which classes I can play well and which ones I cannot.

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I play arcane ... and it is ill equipped for the visions.

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Yeah - I'm unable to use Blizzard due to disability, that's why I play Arcane - it doesn't require reticule placement.

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I'm not playing Frost - I'm playing Arcane.

Please keep up

Cauterizing blink or resounding protection are broken. Dont blame the class because theyre a joke for me

[schwarzkopf]

Dont blame the class because theyre a joke for me

To clarify - I am not blaming anyone or anything, I'm not complaining (as I'm going to be running the Arcane mage with a tank and healer)... I am merely stating the FACT (which everyone seems to agree with) that different class/specs have different levels of success in the horrific visions.

Nothing more nothing less.

[Specialka]

I certainly don't have problems with trash mobs in M+ ... arcane is awesome in M+. Or do you run your M+ without a tank ?



And a DH has even better handling of it than a Frost mage too ... however I play an ARCANE MAGE, I also play a BALANCE DRUID very poorly.

Yet the balance druid sails through the visions without a problem, the arcane mage - not a chance.

My comment was simply that different classes/specs have different levels of success in the horrific visions - nothing more nothing less. Seeing as you agree 100% with that statement - not sure why the continuing argument ?

Dude, Most of a M+ is trash aka aoe fest. To aoe, you need to go in melee range, that put at a disadvantage over Fire or Frost. And on Boss, Fire currently blows Arcane in burst and DPS. And is more mobile. Sorry to break it up to you. Arcane is currently the worst of the 3 specs. And I loved it in Wod.

[cface]

Did this as an elemental shaman (435ish), and then went on my fury warrior (also 435ish), and holy shit how easy does melee have it. I manage to do the left wing pluss thrall on my shaman, and had to carefully plan what cooldown to use on each pack.

[Jester Joe]

Because you want to start banking vessels next week so the more currency you have the better

To still be capped at how much you can do anyway while being handed stuff as a much faster rate, like getting another vessel for the major assault.

I've already learned it's just too punishing/tedious to try to stay "ahead" of the grind, you might as well just stay on the grind itself.

[Video Games]

To still be capped at how much you can do anyway while being handed stuff as a much faster rate, like getting another vessel for the major assault.

I've already learned it's just too punishing/tedious to try to stay "ahead" of the grind, you might as well just stay on the grind itself.

Thats why youll never get a boyfriend

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To clarify - I am not blaming anyone or anything, I'm not complaining (as I'm going to be running the Arcane mage with a tank and healer)... I am merely stating the FACT (which everyone seems to agree with) that different class/specs have different levels of success in the horrific visions.

Nothing more nothing less.

I dont really agree because with azerite defenses, its so hard to die in solo content.

[Jester Joe]

Thats why youll never get a boyfriend

I'm...uh...
I'm honestly at a loss of words. A statement that simultaneously hurts and yet doesn't affect me (because straight).

[asil]

Thats an exaggeration, the spec was only op on two fights.

No, the spec was completely busted on any fight with more than 1 target, present and future. And to top that off, it was also competitive single target. Spriest was by far one of the most broken specs to ever be in the game in EP.

Not even legion affliction was strong single target during antorus. It was busted multi-target for sure, and very low tier single target. Spriest in EP managed to be like top 3-4 single target and was 20+% ahead multi-target.

[huth]

Think you need 6? The first run doesn't net an upgrade, as far as I remember.

Rank 1 is the default cloak. First upgrade gets you to rank 2. So 5 visions still gets you to rank 5.

[Jester Joe]

Rank 1 is the default cloak. First upgrade gets you to rank 2. So 5 visions still gets you to rank 5.

Another good reason I shouldn't post before having coffee.
A complete and utter brainfart on my part, sorry lol.

[Tradu]

That would be incorrect ... my lack of having abilities to heal up is hindering me. The disability just determines which classes I can play well and which ones I cannot.

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I play arcane ... and it is ill equipped for the visions.

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Yeah - I'm unable to use Blizzard due to disability, that's why I play Arcane - it doesn't require reticule placement.

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I'm not playing Frost - I'm playing Arcane.

Please keep up

Use Prismatic Barrier, effectively heals you for like 70-80k every 25 seconds. Arcane is fine for Visions. Is it Havoc? Obviously not, but it's perfectly capable of doing them.

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Well, arcane has issues with trash mob in mm+ and it is the same here. And you need to tank them.

Frost has better handling of trashmob and more cc. Simple as that. Frost would be far better than Fire or Frost.

The issue I have is that I do not want to respec my azerite gear to switch to Frost and I do not have any other pieces. And obv, I am Haste/vers, I do not know which stats are good for Frost but I do not want to farm a specific gear for visions.

Arcane really doesn't have any issues with trash in M+, it can do just as much AoE as Fire. The issue is that in order to do that AoE, you have to run a build that does basically no ST as Arcane, where Fire does both with the same setup. In M+ that's a problem because you're stuck with your setup, in Visions you can switch before bosses if you really want to.

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Dude, Most of a M+ is trash aka aoe fest. To aoe, you need to go in melee range, that put at a disadvantage over Fire or Frost. And on Boss, Fire currently blows Arcane in burst and DPS. And is more mobile. Sorry to break it up to you. Arcane is currently the worst of the 3 specs. And I loved it in Wod.

Arcane does more ST than Fire(and Frost), assuming both are running full ST setups. It can also match Fire AoE with a full AoE setup. The issue Arcane has is that it has to specialize via talents/traits, where Fire can do both with the same setup.

[Sativex]

Dumb question, but how do i get to the left wing before thrall? I went up the stairs, but was blocked off by black wall.

[Bloodyleech]

Dumb question, but how do i get to the left wing before thrall? I went up the stairs, but was blocked off by black wall.

Look to the right..^^

@ schwarzkopf
the sanity orb indeed heals me for 10% life per tick. Try it

[Sativex]

Look to the right..^^

To the right of Thrall?

[Devilyaki]

Don’t see a item level restrictions on it. Bit sad we can’t play the fun part of the patch with out daddy bliz holding our hand to make sure we don’t play too much.. stupid gated bs.

[Gestopft]

Don’t see a item level restrictions on it. Bit sad we can’t play the fun part of the patch with out daddy bliz holding our hand to make sure we don’t play too much.. stupid gated bs.

I, however, am looking forward to not having to see "cloak level 15 or gtfo" three weeks into the patch