CNN releases audio between Warren and Sanders

[Flarelaine]

DNA testing wasn't widely available until recently. In lieu of that, the only way of communicating ancestry was word of mouth - she was told she was, and believed it. And in the wake of said DNA test she has made every effort to better educate herself about native issues. But yes, that is totally the problem here when people are viewing it as free license to toss around 'Pocahontas' - because apparently a slur is white knighting for native americans now.

With all these bad faith criticisms small wonder people assume y'all have issues with female candidates.

That "white knight" was turned into an insult is pretty indicative of our world itself.

[JohnBrown1917]

Lol! I saw that and thought it was very funny. Like two guilty kids accusing each other of the same thing.

As ussual, you're terrible at judging guilt.

[Sorshen]

You can't get more disingenuous than Trump supporters swooning and swearing Bernie Sanders is being mistreated.

He is being mistreated, they can't attack him on policy so they come up with manufactured bullshit like this from 'anonymous sources' even tho he was against this kind of shit for decades. The CNN live debate was pure cancer, just look at the way they served loaded questions. Warren is trying to run on identity politics and her faithful pundits are painting Bernie as some out of touch old white guy, cause her policy is a bunch of hot air.

[JohnBrown1917]

He is being mistreated, they can't attack him on policy so they come up with manufactured bullshit like this from 'anonymous sources' even tho he was against this kind of shit for decades. The CNN live debate was pure cancer, just look at the way they served loaded questions. Warren is trying to run on identity politics and her faithful pundits are painting Bernie as some out of touch old white guy, cause her policy is a bunch of hot air.

Only reasons you see Trump supporters pushing him is because they'll think it'll be an easy win for Trump. Gotta see if he wins the primaries to see what their real thoughs are.

[Machismo]

He is being mistreated, they can't attack him on policy so they come up with manufactured bullshit like this from 'anonymous sources' even tho he was against this kind of shit for decades. The CNN live debate was pure cancer, just look at the way they served loaded questions. Warren is trying to run on identity politics and her faithful pundits are painting Bernie as some out of touch old white guy, cause her policy is a bunch of hot air.

Except, he's not being mistreated. People can attack his policies, because they are expensive as shit. He's had tons of air time, and plenty of exposure. He's not a fucking victim. If it feels like he's being attacked, it's because he's pretty far to the left, and moderates don't like his policies.

[Sorshen]

Except, he's not being mistreated. People can attack his policies, because they are expensive as shit. He's had tons of air time, and plenty of exposure. He's not a fucking victim. If it feels like he's being attacked, it's because he's pretty far to the left, and moderates don't like his policies.

Expensive as shit? Funny how healthcare and education are always 'expensive as shit', but the military budget never is. Remember that Warren voted FOR Trump's military budget.
'Moderates' are becoming desperate because he polls well, hence all the banding together and these lame attempts.

[Machismo]

Expensive as shit? Funny how healthcare and education are always 'expensive as shit', but the military budget never is. Remember that Warren voted FOR Trump's military budget.
Moderates are becoming desperate because he polls well, hence these lame attempts.

Nope, military spending is also expensive as shit. Yang's call for a UBI is also expensive as shit.

He's an anti-capitalist, and wants to take even more of my money. He polls well, because poor people love the idea of spending someone else's money.

[Sorshen]

Nope, military spending is also expensive as shit. Yang's call for a UBI is also expensive as shit.

He's an anti-capitalist, and wants to take even more of my money. He polls well, because poor people love the idea of spending someone else's money.

Ah yes, ye olde 'poor people will spend MY money' strawman. You must be on of those poor billionaires that would be progressively taxed...

But i digress. This thread is about the 2nd round of dnc banding together to fuck over progressive candidates and deciding to run on identity politics vs. Trump. This should go well.

[Machismo]

Ah yes, ye olde 'poor people will spend MY money' strawman. You must be on of those poor billionaires that would be progressively taxed...

Except it's completely true. The last time I checked, previous generations have pushed a shit ton of debt onto people who were too young to stop them, or had yet to be born.

And that comment right there is why people don't like Bernie and his supporters. Casually dehumanizing and dismissing anyone who opposes your policies. So, don't bitch and moan when people don't treat him fairly, when you did the exact same thing you accused others of doing.

Democrats can choose to not support a socialist who isn't even a real Democrat. That's no different than not wanting to support a Republican who jumps into the party for an election, then leaves right after.

[Sorshen]

Calling you out on your strawman is dehumanizing, got it.

[Machismo]

Calling you out on your strawman is dehumanizing, got it.

What straw man? I pointed to his policies being expensive as shit, and you dismissed it. You claimed people attack him, because they cannot attack his policies... then when someone attacks his policies, you make shit up.

Right there, that's why people don't want Bernie... his policies are expensive, and his supporters are hypocrites and zealots.

[Endus]

Nope, military spending is also expensive as shit. Yang's call for a UBI is also expensive as shit.

He's an anti-capitalist, and wants to take even more of my money. He polls well, because poor people love the idea of spending someone else's money.

You used to be better than this. This is Sovereign-Citizen levels of silly.

Your owed tax burden is not "your money", the same way the mortgage payment you owe your bank is not "your money".

And sure; people who are struggling to make ends meet like the idea that the government will step in to help them, where the market has clearly failed utterly at doing so. They're voting their own informed self-interest, as democracy is intended to work. If employers want to take us back to where working a 40-hour minimum-wage job pays enough to support a family of 4 in modest comfort, we can talk about pulling back on support systems. Until then, arguing against social support networks is an argument that implicitly encourages and desires human suffering. Since we can't rely on employers to fix things, because it does not align with their self-interest, government will step in and tax them and cover the gaps.

That's what capitalist theory is all about. Or used to be, before the mercantilists took over the messaging.

Since the alternative to "spending the government's money" is "losing your home, going hungry, watching your kids get sick and die without treatement", yeah. Poor people are gonna vote for the former. And if you're gonna argue against that, just be clear that you want to increase human suffering.

[Sorshen]

What straw man? I pointed to his policies being expensive as shit, and you dismissed it. You claimed people attack him, because they cannot attack his policies... then when someone attacks his policies, you make shit up.

Right there, that's why people don't want Bernie... his policies are expensive, and his supporters are hypocrites and zealots.

I did not deny they will be expensive as shit.
But attacking the status quo of lobbying and feeding the military complex/tax dodging corps/billionaires at the expense of public healthcare & future generations' education is not zealotry. This is a thing that a big chunk of US population would do well to consider come the new elections.

[Machismo]

You used to be better than this. This is Sovereign-Citizen levels of silly.

Your owed tax burden is not "your money", the same way the mortgage payment you owe your bank is not "your money".

And sure; people who are struggling to make ends meet like the idea that the government will step in to help them, where the market has clearly failed utterly at doing so. They're voting their own informed self-interest, as democracy is intended to work. If employers want to take us back to where working a 40-hour minimum-wage job pays enough to support a family of 4 in modest comfort, we can talk about pulling back on support systems. Until then, arguing against social support networks is an argument that implicitly encourages and desires human suffering. Since we can't rely on employers to fix things, because it does not align with their self-interest, government will step in and tax them and cover the gaps.

That's what capitalist theory is all about. Or used to be, before the mercantilists took over the messaging.

Since the alternative to "spending the government's money" is "losing your home, going hungry, watching your kids get sick and die without treatement", yeah. Poor people are gonna vote for the former. And if you're gonna argue against that, just be clear that you want to increase human suffering.

We've had this discussion on multiple occasions... it is my money. The money you earn is your money.

People do vote in their own self interest, and in this case, they are voting to have the government take more and more of other people's money to pay for the shit that they want. That's exactly why I oppose people like Bernie.

I want you to be able to keep YOUR MONEY. You are the selfish one in this equation.

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I did not deny they will be expensive as shit.
But attacking the status quo of lobbying and feeding the military complex/tax dodging corps/billionaires at the expense of public healthcare & future generations' education is not zealotry. This is a thing that a big chunk of US population would do well to consider come the new elections.

Once again, I pointed out that I do not like his policies, and you whined and deflected towards billionaires. You took it personally, just like Trump supporters do when I insult Trump.

To me, you guys aren't much different than the Trumpsters. Of course, the one big difference is that Bernie doesn't happen to be racist trash like Trump. Both are big-government demagogues.

[Sorshen]

We've had this discussion on multiple occasions... it is my money. The money you earn is your money.

People do vote in their own self interest, and in this case, they are voting to have the government take more and more of other people's money to pay for the shit that they want. That's exactly why I oppose people like Bernie.

I want you to be able to keep YOUR MONEY. You are the selfish one in this equation.

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Once again, I pointed out that I do not like his policies, and you whined and deflected towards billionaires. You took it personally, just like Trump supporters do when I insult Trump.

To me, you guys aren't much different than the Trumpsters. Of course, the one big difference is that Bernie doesn't happen to be racist trash like Trump. Both are big-government demagogues.

People want to take control of where the money goes. They're voting for going back to bigger taxes on the obscenely rich. Politicians have utterly failed of maintaining a living standard and the wealth is stacking in the 1% - cause they're controlling the executive and the legislative branch. You're making it seem like the sky is falling on you, but I'm sure you're not in the demographic that will 'suffer'.

[Machismo]

People want to take control of where the money goes. They're voting for going back to bigger taxes on the obscenely rich. Politicians have utterly failed of maintaining a living standard and the wealth is stacking in the 1% - cause they're controlling the executive and the legislative branch.

In the process, taxes will be raised... meaning people will have less control over where their own money goes. And, I hate to break it to you, but the middle class doesn't really want more money to go to poor people.

Those are policies that many blue-collar and middle-class Americans don't want.

Once again, it's not about just me suffering, it's about someone else also being punished. Just because I'm not a multi-millionaire, doesn't mean I want to tax them more.

[Sorshen]

It's always baffling to me that for some people progressive taxation is seen as 'punishing' the rich, even tho there are multiple ample studies that suggest the high (corporate) taxation periods were historically the best for the economy and the 'middle-class'.

[Machismo]

It's always baffling to me that for some people progressive taxation is seen as 'punishing' the rich, even tho there are multiple ample studies that suggest the high (corporate) taxation periods were historically the best for the economy and the 'middle-class'.

You want to raise taxes, I simply oppose such a policy.

I'm not willing to vote away your liberties to enrich my life. I want you to be able to pay for the shit you want, with your money. I want the millionaire to be free to do the same.

[PC2]

It's always baffling to me that for some people progressive taxation is seen as 'punishing' the rich, even tho there are multiple ample studies that suggest the high taxation periods were historically the best for the economy and the 'middle-class'.

Except that doesn't mean anything because it's based on the idea that if a policy was correlated with good data in the past then it will always produce good data in the present and future. Which is the hasty generalization fallacy. If economics were that easy we would just look at history and cherry pick all the policies that used to be associated with prosperity. Which of course reality doesn't work like that.

[Sorshen]

Except that doesn't mean anything because it's based on the idea that if a policy was correlated with good data in the past then it will always produce good data in the present and future. Which is the hasty generalization fallacy. If economics were that easy we would just look at history and cherry pick all the policies that used to be associated with prosperity. Which of course reality doesn't work like that.

Fair point, however, it's pretty much a given that the current "bestest ever" tax plan will fuck you over in the long run... not my assessment, the experts' assessment.