Void lords and Old gods

[Piamonte]

well, this is kinda a weird post, a while ago i made a post trying to understand why the titans didnt kill the old gods using the titanforged, i mean, we killed the old gods without damaging the planet for the sole reason that we are small, and if we could do it, then the titanforged certainly could as well.

The answers i got were kinda convulated and insatisfactory, but some other guy asked the same thing in reddit a while ago, and some other guy gave a great answer: "what if the titans didnt kill the old gods, because it would only force the void lords to create new ones and send them to azeroth, may be the void lords lose energy when they create an old god, so if they know that the ones that are already here on azeroth are still alive, they dont bother in creating more of them"

And i started thinking, what if the process of creating an old god, is a very inneficient one, what if when the void lords briefly enter our reality to devour worlds like they did with Karesh (ethereal´s homeworld), what they are actually doing, is using that matter to create an old god, not only they lose power by entering our reality but they need an entire world to create a single old god.

So, somehow the titans knew this and avoided killing the old gods, because while contained, azeroth is still protected once the titans are gone, but if they kill them, new ones arrive and they wont be there to protect azeroth.

anyway, thoughts?

[Dellis0991]

Anything is possible we still don't know the process of how old god are made and how many are out there traveling around the great dark but we do know that Sargeras has destroyed probably plenty of planets who have been infested with old gods for all we know there could be a great many on their way to Azeroth in a last bid to open the way for the void lords to come on in. It's possible that they use planets for material to make more old gods.

[Kyphael]

Well, logic dictates what the creation of Old Gods is not a trivial task, meaning, Void Lords don't just sneeze out these parasitic monstrosities that get launched to worlds. It better be a significant process because Azeroth has only had four in its long history, and no new ones since. Taking the fight to the Void Lords has to be a logical next step as far as the cosmic force of The Void goes, with lore explaining and exploring how Old Gods came to be and how new ones might be born a part of exploring an in depth Void-centered expansion.

For now, your guess is as good as mine, but speculating is fun.

[alduron]

It's also possible that size doesn't just mean physical size, but magical: a scalpel vs a chainsaw.

[grexly75]

Well, logic dictates what the creation of Old Gods is not a trivial task, meaning, Void Lords don't just sneeze out these parasitic monstrosities that get launched to worlds. It better be a significant process because Azeroth has only had four in its long history, and no new ones since. Taking the fight to the Void Lords has to be a logical next step as far as the cosmic force of The Void goes, with lore explaining and exploring how Old Gods came to be and how new ones might be born a part of exploring an in depth Void-centered expansion.

For now, your guess is as good as mine, but speculating is fun.

With BFA another old god was added with G'huun who was a Titan experiment.. G'huun was inadvertently created by the Titans who were trying to find a way of dealing with old gods infesting Azeroth..

[Kyphael]

With BFA another old god was added with G'huun who was a Titan experiment.. G'huun was inadvertently created by the Titans who were trying to find a way of dealing with old gods infesting Azeroth..

I'm well aware of G'huun, but he was a simile if nothing else with no lasting effects or ramifications that he ever existed. Every true Old God left their mark on the planet. G'huun was a fart in the wind. A lab experiment gone wrong and that's its legacy.

[MrLachyG]

well, this is kinda a weird post, a while ago i made a post trying to understand why the titans didnt kill the old gods using the titanforged, i mean, we killed the old gods without damaging the planet for the sole reason that we are small, and if we could do it, then the titanforged certainly could as well.

anyway, thoughts?

did we kill them though? or just beat them into submission. we killed G'huun but he wasn't really anything close to any of the other 4

[Mic_128]

well, this is kinda a weird post, a while ago i made a post trying to understand why the titans didnt kill the old gods using the titanforged, i mean, we killed the old gods without damaging the planet for the sole reason that we are small, and if we could do it, then the titanforged certainly could as well.

They certainly tried, but Y'Shaarj was too powerful for the Titan-forged and was "poisoning the minds" of their soldiers, so Aman'Thul ripped it out.

Maybe because of how deeply buried the Old Gods were, they feared killing them, or just knew that the Titan-forged couldn't last long enough in direct contact with an Old God that they instead decided to lock them away.

[matrix123mko]

It's also possible that size doesn't just mean physical size, but magical: a scalpel vs a chainsaw.

Create weaker titanforged then.

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Of course, stepping into reality from void world is difficult. So is giving life to pile of rotting flesh of unknown source.

[alt-ithist]

I'm well aware of G'huun, but he was a simile if nothing else with no lasting effects or ramifications that he ever existed. Every true Old God left their mark on the planet. G'huun was a fart in the wind. A lab experiment gone wrong and that's its legacy.

Possibly 5. Unconfirmed but very likely knifu use to be an old god. Or maybe just a powerful servant, it’s not clear.

[TheFirstOnes]

Answer: We killed C'Thun and Yogg'Saron while they were still in their prisons, so it was okay. We also killed N'zoth in Ny'alotha, so that didn't blow the Planet up.

[WraithKingOstarion]

Answer: We killed C'Thun and Yogg'Saron while they were still in their prisons, so it was okay. We also killed N'zoth in Ny'alotha, so that didn't blow the Planet up.

this could end up being the case. since the whole issue before was "can't kill, must imprison" has not been elaborated on further down the road of expansions when Old Gods are present... AND c'thun and yogg-saron are seemingly perma-dead... AND AND N'Zoth is scheduled to get whacked after being freed 100% with seemingly no implications of the world ending from it (at least datamined from PTR and what not)...

...it feels like Blizz has abandoned that narrative that killing off the Old Gods will do supermassive harm to Azeroth.

unless that datamined cutscene of the adventure doing a Kamehameha to kill N'zoth is a red herring

[Soon-TM]

I must say that turning Old Gods from ancient, inscrutable, madness-inducing living monoliths into oversized ticks was a quite lame move, if you ask me.

That being said, I always thought that the very reason for Titans NOT to kill the rest of the OGs (btw, can they really die? Or are they properly alive, for that matter? They are supposed to be "outside the cycle"...) was Aman'thul's big !@#$up when he almost got Azeroth killed after tearing Y'Sharaj off. Like really, finally having a fully freed Old God roaming around should have more story development, rather than "kamehameha lul".

[A Chozo]

The Titans didn't kill the Old Gods because they thought it would damage the planet - Y'shaarj left a massive wound and then cursed the land when he died.

Not that they were right or wrong, but that's what they perceived. Titans are barely aware of Void Lords after all.

[Destinas]

There could be more eyeball-tentacles flying toward Azeroth as we speak. The first "batch" of Old Gods were sent out Lord-knows-how-long ago (it wasn't given a date in Chronicle, just a time in prehistory), long before any mortal races now existed. Others wound up on random planets. The reason the Void Lords flung out Old Gods randomly was because they didn't know which worlds had World-Souls.

It's unknown if they can actually accurately send a new Old God through space directly to Azeroth now. They certainly didn't get every planet anyway, since we never heard of/saw any Old Gods on Argus, and Outland's only Old God was summoned by Arakkoa in Burning Crusade.

The problem with killing an Old God was that the they had burrowed deep into Azeroth, so she would be damaged if the Titans pulled them out - that's how the Well of Eternity was created. On top of that, "killing" them doesn't really do much good. Y'Shaarj was still kicking in the form of his heart, and his heads turned into the seven Sha, with tons of lesser Sha also coming from him. They also studied the Old Gods in order to figure out how to take care of them for good, and accidentally created G'huun. The Old Gods are said to be "outside the cycle" and we've seen "dead" Old Gods whisper to their victims and summon minions, so destroying their bodies may not do much of anything in the end, if they simply go back to the Void, or they exist in Ny'alotha.

Not to mention, the titans built a device to reoriginate the entire planet while leaving the World-Soul unharmed, so it's not like the Titans didn't want to kill the Old Gods themselves, they simply didn't want to kill everything else with them while hurting the planet.

[TheFirstOnes]

Or, even better...

The Old Gods are just the Void Lords' Flesh that's being seeped out into the Universe every so often, in hopes that they may corrupt a nascent World Soul. Ya know? Like how the Chronicles explained?

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There could be more eyeball-tentacles flying toward Azeroth as we speak. The first "batch" of Old Gods were sent out Lord-knows-how-long ago (it wasn't given a date in Chronicle, just a time in prehistory), long before any mortal races now existed. Others wound up on random planets. The reason the Void Lords flung out Old Gods randomly was because they didn't know which worlds had World-Souls.

It's unknown if they can actually accurately send a new Old God through space directly to Azeroth now. They certainly didn't get every planet anyway, since we never heard of/saw any Old Gods on Argus, and Outland's only Old God was summoned by Arakkoa in Burning Crusade.

The problem with killing an Old God was that the they had burrowed deep into Azeroth, so she would be damaged if the Titans pulled them out - that's how the Well of Eternity was created. On top of that, "killing" them doesn't really do much good. Y'Shaarj was still kicking in the form of his heart, and his heads turned into the seven Sha, with tons of lesser Sha also coming from him. They also studied the Old Gods in order to figure out how to take care of them for good, and accidentally created G'huun. The Old Gods are said to be "outside the cycle" and we've seen "dead" Old Gods whisper to their victims and summon minions, so destroying their bodies may not do much of anything in the end, if they simply go back to the Void, or they exist in Ny'alotha.

Not to mention, the titans built a device to reoriginate the entire planet while leaving the World-Soul unharmed, so it's not like the Titans didn't want to kill the Old Gods themselves, they simply didn't want to kill everything else with them while hurting the planet.

Thanks to some good olde' rerouting to the power, we can now use the "re-origination device" AS AN OLD GOD BLASTER! LET'S GO!!!!

[Destinas]

Thanks to some good olde' rerouting to the power, we can now use the "re-origination device" AS AN OLD GOD BLASTER! LET'S GO!!!!

This is very true. Which begs the question why the Titans just didn't do that before this anyway. The Tol'vir were able to use just enough power to obliterate Uldum when Lei Shen wanted to add them to his empire, so obviously the Titans knew that it had a range of power settings when they built it. Granted, yes, the Heart of Azeroth didn't exist at the time, and the World-Soul was much "younger" than she is now.

It also comes to mind that the Titans weren't very good at building prisons for the Old Gods, since every single one was corrupted or destroyed - the Heart of Y'shaarj was still spewing power where it was caged. G'huun even corrupted Uldir, the facility where he was crated and imprisoned. It just seems like the Titans didn't understand the Old Gods at all, or what to do with them.

Or, like, Blizzard hadn't thought of all this back in the day, and the story changed a ton because different people wrote different things, and I'm just over analyzing everything. BUT WHO KNOWS.

[TheFirstOnes]

It's likely because Blizzard wanted a Mcguffin for us to use against the Void Lords during 10.0, for in case they wanted to send some more Old Gods for us to fight in the pre-patch. Let's be honest here, we all know the Void Lords are going to be 10.0. The story is so rushed rn, I wouldn't be shocked if this were the case. Then, Sargeras would come back and re-equip his Blade, Azshara could help us, we could have with Wrathion at the Dragon Isles, the Alliance/Horde would have the ultimate team up, the people of the Shadowlands would aid us, etc.

Think of it as an Avengers: Endgame event, but with Warcraft. You know it'll happen...

[Caerule]

The Titans were largely ignorant of the Old Gods. They killed one, and not only did it almost kill Azeroth, but its terrible corruption lingered, tainting a large area. So their effort both greatly weakened Azeroth, and tainted her surface. In theory, the plan to contain them and their corruption forever, makes sense in the wake of that. But yeah, it clearly wasn't perfect.

[Timester]

This is very true. Which begs the question why the Titans just didn't do that before this anyway. The Tol'vir were able to use just enough power to obliterate Uldum when Lei Shen wanted to add them to his empire, so obviously the Titans knew that it had a range of power settings when they built it. Granted, yes, the Heart of Azeroth didn't exist at the time, and the World-Soul was much "younger" than she is now.

It also comes to mind that the Titans weren't very good at building prisons for the Old Gods, since every single one was corrupted or destroyed - the Heart of Y'shaarj was still spewing power where it was caged. G'huun even corrupted Uldir, the facility where he was crated and imprisoned. It just seems like the Titans didn't understand the Old Gods at all, or what to do with them.

Or, like, Blizzard hadn't thought of all this back in the day, and the story changed a ton because different people wrote different things, and I'm just over analyzing everything. BUT WHO KNOWS.

The prisons were actually good. The problem was that Yogg managed to corrupt and disrupt the Keepers.