Nya'lotha The Waking City End Cinematic [DISCUSSION/SPOILERS]

[Tiwack]

It is the complete and utter lack of character, depth, and feeling to this "story" that really hurts.

You're wielding the conduit to the power of an entire planet, the things you find lacking are delivered through magni if you'd let him grow on you.

[Kagthul]

Umm...that's not even slightly true.

... thats completely true.

DKs say straight up that they are totally damned and evil. Even your own Deathlord (the PC) aknowledges this. "We do what the living cannot" and all that jazz. They raise people against their will (they are NOT like the Forsaken, who ostensibly will put someone back to rest if they dont want to "live" as a Forsaken, at least until recently), murder indiscriminately, sacrifice innocents, and murder allies.

Warlocks MURDER SENTIENT BEINGS AND TRADE THEIR SOULS TO DEMONS. They perform unspeakably evil rituals to gain personal power. They murder innocents, sacrifice innocents, etc.

Shadow Priests are in league with a force of total Evil and madness; they consume and destroy souls and minds. They perform rituals to the Void to summon void creatures which often involve ritual sacrifice; they murder indiscriminately in pursuit of their goals.

Your head-canon doesn't change the fact that all three of those types of characters are completely evil by any objective standard AND the non-objective standard of how the Warcraft universe is built as shown in Chronicles.

You just cant seem to wrap your head around how "evil" doesn't equal "the villain" and how "hero" doesnt equal "good guy".

They can be protagonists and heroes, and still be (morally) evil.

[Melsiren]

It will be revealed that both N'zoth and Sylvanas are working for Rafaam.

and we all know who Rafaam truely serves.

[DemonDays]

I don't think anybody is defending it.

Not until tomorrow when most of the detractors calm down and they feel comfortable to post their contrarian claptrap again.

It's literally so bad that even the usuals can't defend it.

[FellishBeast]

... thats completely true.

DKs say straight up that they are totally damned and evil. Even your own Deathlord (the PC) aknowledges this.

Warlocks MURDER SENTIENT BEINGS AND TRADE THEIR SOULS TO DEMONS.

Shadow Priests are in league with a force of total Evil and madness; they consume and destroy souls and minds.

Your head-canon doesn't change the fact that all three of those types of characters are completely evil.

You just cant seem to wrap your head around how "evil" doesn't equal "the villain" and how "hero" doesnt equal "good guy".

Void != evil
Fel != evil
Undeath != evil

I think you're the one with head-canon. Each class has an order hall campaign that involves working together for the good of the world. Even IF some of their methods can be considered "evil" there is no way you can label them as "completely" and "unalterably" evil. Demons turn good. The Knights of the Ebon Blade were totally good guys.

Like, are you for real?

[Minikin]

We'll go into Shadowlands straight into the part of Sylvanas being redeemed and killing Jailer or whoever is the true enemy to her Kylo Ren plot.

Do you think they'll make a sick cinematic of her dodging tentacles while she does it?

[ohwell]

She says that the whispers have not decreased like one would expect after an Old God's defeat, but have actually worsened, and new voices have joined the chorus. Which means that the Old Gods are probably not going to remain dead for long, and that N'Zoth's defeat somehow benefits both him and the Void Lords. This actually aligns with Xal'athath's whisper from Legion, in which she said that even defeat always ended up working in N'Zoth's favour.

Either way, this isn't the last we've seen of the Void or the Old Gods.

That has NOTHING to do with what Xal said. She implied that him getting his ass kicked twice was the only reason he was still around.

It is most likely the last we've seen of the old gods we know.

[Minikin]

Well at least it's done now.

How's the line go? Oh yea


AZEROTH IS FREEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Darillyn]

Wait why the hell is Azeroth just healed now that hes dead? What about the massive skyscraper sword stabbing the planet -.-

Also, maybe a future xpac has a new old god collide with Azeroth and it was sent by the void lords. Other than that not sure how they can come back. Also pretty unclear as to the status of Cthun and Yoggy..like are they fully dead?

[FellishBeast]

Wait why the hell is Azeroth just healed now that hes dead? What about the massive skyscraper sword stabbing the planet -.-

Also, maybe a future xpac has a new old god collide with Azeroth and it was sent by the void lords. Other than that not sure how they can come back. Also pretty unclear as to the status of Cthun and Yoggy..like are they fully dead?

They weren't supposed to be. There were many hints that they cannot die the usual ways without massively harming Azeroth. Also there are hints that C'thun still has some strength (i.e. Cho'gall) and I believe Yogg-saron whispered to us in the Magni Legion scenarios. But now it seems like they may just choose to forget about all that and move on with whatever plots they have cooked up for Shadowlands and beyond.

[Hobbidaggy]

You're a little late, bud.

They uploaded it awhile ago.

I thought I deleted my post after I realised hahahaha damn internet

[Aucald]

Wait why the hell is Azeroth just healed now that hes dead? What about the massive skyscraper sword stabbing the planet -.-

Also, maybe a future xpac has a new old god collide with Azeroth and it was sent by the void lords. Other than that not sure how they can come back. Also pretty unclear as to the status of Cthun and Yoggy..like are they fully dead?

You've been healing Azeroth the entire time as you collected Azerite and funneled it back to the World-Soul via the Chamber of Heart. Sargeras' sword basically served as a severe wound to the world-soul, causing its essence to gush out to the surface effectively causing it to bleed out in slow motion. You cleanse away Sargeras' dark energy first and foremost at the cost of your Champion's artifact weapon, following shortly by repairing the Chamber of Heart which is basically a window into the world-soul's very being. Throughout BfA you collect Azerite and return it to the world-soul as you aid Magni, keeping scintillas of the harvested essence to empower yourself as Azeroth's chosen Champion (this is how Azerite Traits and the Essences work). With N'Zoth dead and the major threat ended, most of the escaped essence has been returned and Azeroth is fully stabilized. The final thing would probably be the destruction or removal of Gorribal (Sargeras' sword) from Silithus, which can happen later on as needed.

[Shakana]

I would have prefered seeing Wrathion himself revenging his dad and not a kamehame azerite beam.
Or you know, just defeating him but not kill him completely. Wrathion was created with Titan artifacts cause he was corrupted, Wrathion is grown up and mature now over the expansions and i totally love his character.
Such a disappointment we are the ones destroying N'zoth and him already gone.

And god sakes, i really wanted Nya'lotha and Old gods to have it's own expansion and not just a patch. I'm still upset about that... It's all so disappointing i can't even express myself how i wanted. So much potential thrown out of the window. I can't believe they have done this.

At least if they didn't spent their resources on this, i hope they do with Shadowlands. I can understand everyone's reactions atm, i don't blame any of you. This was super bad.

[agentsi]

Why would Sylvanas go through all this trouble for the dagger, only to somehow, let it get into Wraithons hands to use it. Didn't she want to be the one? How did they handle that little switcharoo?

[Yarathir]

It's literally so bad that even the usuals can't defend it.

Yet.
I 100% believe there are people just waiting for the 'overwhelming' negativity to pass so playing defense force is easier.

[Rozz]

I like how they did all the worst things in one go:
-Parallel to Deathwing's memed laser blast
-blatant LOTR imagery and melody, without much besides that
-Too short and underwhelming for a sense of closure
-Used their worst/cheapest cinematic type for their finale

An avocado. Thaaanks.

[TheRevenantHero]

Uhhhh.. herrooo.. they’re bringing back spells like Eyes of the Beast

Oh you mean spells that are worthless and add next to nothing to the game? Yeah, I stand by my view that Shadowlands will tank.

[DemonDays]

Yet.
I 100% believe there are people just waiting for the 'overwhelming' negativity to pass so playing defense force is easier.

Check the BfA "review" thread. Check the 8 usernames who voted this as a "good" expansion. It's all the usual defenders. Yet they're dead silent in that thread too.

Possible this cinematic tipped them over the edge?

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Oh you mean spells that are worthless and add next to nothing to the game? Yeah, I stand by my view that Shadowlands will tank.

"Why aren't you guys happy? We gave you random abilities back and didn't try to integrate them into your class or rotation at all. Why aren't you happy you can cast Fireball as a Frost Mage yet it doesn't do any damage?" - Blizzard, probably.

[TheFirstOnes]

But several of the Player classes ARE inherently evil.

DKs, Warlocks, and Shadow Priests are ALL completely and unalterably evil. Rogues could arguably be added to that, as they do murder-for-hire and other things considered to be unquestionably evil.

Thats one of the things about the Warcraft universe; not all of the protagonists are good guys.

Doesn't mean they aren't heroes.

Hero != Good.

True...

But I'm a Ret Pally, so

[Zandalariprelate]

Expected this and not dissapointed at this point