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    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhatconcerned View Post
    Because it's not a morality contest and people will not vote for policies (ie current socialist Dem proposals) simply because they're the nice guys. Get better candidates/ideas.

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    Yeah they're already cooked. And they probably know it.
    Nah, Trump is racist trash. I'm sure glad I don't support a racist candidate, how about you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhatconcerned View Post
    People PAY into social security.

    Who pays into free college, or free healthcare, or any other free cradle-to-the-grave program promised by the Dems?

    Pay for it with higher taxes? Oh great, another deeply popular proposal.
    people would save a lot more money if they weren't crippled by student and medical debt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhatconcerned View Post
    People PAY into social security.

    Who pays into free college, or free healthcare, or any other free cradle-to-the-grave program promised by the Dems?

    Pay for it with higher taxes? Oh great, another deeply popular proposal.
    Implying we're not already paying for college and healthcare.

    Also, remember Trump's tax cut for the rich?

    Boom, there's the payment for student debt.
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    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Well the words of Bernie arent worth much. He's back to attacking Biden with doctored social security videos.



    1. Hillary doesn't need Bernie voters. Bernie does need Hillary voters.
    2. Imagine if Bernie had spent the last three years reaching out and mending fences rather than doubling down on the Sirota-Turner-Sarandon strategy.


    I mean in 2016, Bernie and Jill types were like; "After four years of Trump you'll be begging for Our RevolutionTM"
    Almost 4 years later ... and jack shit of a plan.
    They sound like GOP and Trump pretending to have a plan for replacing the ACA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starlord View Post
    people would save a lot more money if they weren't crippled by student and medical debt.
    People could save a lot more money if electricity was free too, and they could save even more if water and sewer service was free, and even more if everything was free!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    People could save a lot more money if electricity was free too, and they could save even more if water and sewer service was free, and even more if everything was free!!!
    Trump increased spending, increased the deficits, and raised taxes multiple times.

    Where were you when he did all of those things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    People could save a lot more money if electricity was free too, and they could save even more if water and sewer service was free, and even more if everything was free!!!
    You got some great ideas.
    Although I never had to pay for sewer service and water is dirt cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker76 View Post
    Well the words of Bernie arent worth much. He's back to attacking Biden with doctored social security videos.
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    Its not even doctored lol.


    And yeah, I suppose he is just supposed to let Biden attack him without doing anything back.
    Why do you guys love conservatives so much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    are you jive talking me son

    Someone is full of malarkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    People could save a lot more money if electricity was free too, and they could save even more if water and sewer service was free, and even more if everything was free!!!
    in which case raised taxes would be a non issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker76 View Post
    Hillary doesn't need Bernie voters. Bernie does need Hillary voters
    Hillary voters would "vote for a ham sandwich" over Trump so no quite the opposite. #Resist is coming out no matter what. It's the Democrats job to convince progressives to vote for them and so far they're doing a shit job with the smear campaign against Sanders and manufactured beef

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug View Post
    Hillary voters would "vote for a ham sandwich" over Trump so no quite the opposite. #Resist is coming out no matter what. It's the Democrats job to convince progressives to vote for them and so far they're doing a shit job with the smear campaign against Sanders and manufactured beef
    sanders isn't shy about shit slinging himself (as the thread title shows), why should he be treated with kid gloves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by starlord View Post
    sanders isn't shy about shit slinging himself (as the thread title shows), why should he be treated with kid gloves?
    Kid gloves, no but there is an effort by establishment Dems and the media to downplay how popular he is.

    Look at this headline
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/22/polit...nal/index.html


    "Bernie Sanders surges to join Biden atop Democratic presidential pick"

    Joins? He's ahead of Biden and on top

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug View Post
    Hillary voters would "vote for a ham sandwich" over Trump so no quite the opposite. #Resist is coming out no matter what. It's the Democrats job to convince progressives to vote for them and so far they're doing a shit job with the smear campaign against Sanders and manufactured beef
    Uhhh we're still in the primary...

    Or is Bernie so entitled to win the nom you guys thought it was just going to be his coronation?
    This is Trump supporter levels of projection.

    2016 Berners:
    "Hillary think she's entitled to the nomination, bad!"
    "Hillary thinks she can take our votes for granted, bad!"

    2020 Berners:
    "It's Bernies turn!"
    "Dems will vote for anyone!"

    Watching Biden take the mask of the Berners is so ironic. I mean Biden is such a conventional, low effort candidate. Bernie's 4 years of "planning" have come to naught.

    Of course Bernie is low-effort in his own way as well. Hence the irony.
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    Well he's surging in the polls and only getting more popular so we'll see. Voters will vote who they may in the primaries. There's no rigging involved but the smear campaigns are obvious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug View Post
    Kid gloves, no but there is an effort by establishment Dems and the media to downplay how popular he is.

    Look at this headline
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/22/polit...nal/index.html


    "Bernie Sanders surges to join Biden atop Democratic presidential pick"

    Joins? He's ahead of Biden and on top
    you seem to have missed the third sentence:
    The margin between the two is within the poll's margin of sampling error, meaning there is no clear leader in this poll. Both, however, are significantly ahead of the rest of the field...
    how is that downplaying his popularity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by starlord View Post
    you seem to have missed the third sentence:


    how is that downplaying his popularity?
    It's convenient when they won't sensationalize their headlines when it comes to Sanders. Average public just reads headlines, sad but reality.

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    People could save a lot more money if electricity was free too, and they could save even more if water and sewer service was free, and even more if everything was free!!!
    These are terrible "arguments."

    For starters, none of it is actually ever free. Of course taxes pay for it. Taxes that ramp up from low income to high income.

    Public schooling is free. But it's paid for by taxes. At the same time, your tax money alone probably isn't enough to pay for one child's education. You're not single handedly covering the costs of a building, a teacher, and clasd materials. But between you and the people who make more money than you, and the people who aren't using the system at all but still paying in, it all works out. This is the same for roads; your piddly taxation isn't single-handedly paving every street you drive on. The military that protects you isn't fully loaded by your tax dollars.

    And I'm sure you don't want America to be a third world shithole country like those ones Trump talks about, so I'm sure you probably support all of that taxation and all of those programs.

    Things like healtgcare healthcare and college educations are exactly the same thing. Even more so, because they're directly influencing economic resources. You can't have skilled workers without a skill, and you can't have workers if they're dead.

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker76 View Post
    Or is Bernie so entitled to win the nom you guys thought it was just going to be his coronation?
    This is Trump supporter levels of projection.
    No, it's pointing out the propensities of different groups of voters.
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  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    Someone is full of malarkey.
    Lol... so is he basically saying "don't vote for me, go run yourself if you want change"???? Wow.. what a great way to connect to that demographic.

  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Dug View Post
    It's convenient when they won't sensationalize their headlines when it comes to Sanders. Average public just reads headlines, sad but reality.
    so reporting his poll numbers accurately is wrong? ok...

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