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  1. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    sigh this debunked load of crap again??
    Citizens guns would not have done shit against the multiple million man German army even if this was true.


    BTW if the US military wanted to round you up, none of you with all your 2A weapons would stand a chance. Hell they don't even need to be within 1000 miles of you and your silly militia friends, to evaporate you with a lousy drone.

    Your imagination is cute though.
    A drone can't enforce curfew on the streets, and a high tech fighter aircraft can't stop and search a car for contraband, a heavy tank can't knock down a door at 1am and arrest a family and a guided missile can't do a show of force and intimidation by standing on a street corner.

    This takes boots on the ground. Security forces who need to eat, rest, recreate, have parents, partners and children. All things which are vulnerable to irregulars with small arms.

    See, your mistake is thinking the 2A protects the US by the citizens with small arms being able to fight a pitched military campaign maneuvering against a modern combined arms force.

    Its about ensuring that any attempt at a tyrannical take over will be an impossible, bloody struggle rendering the United States weakened and dysfunctional - an unattractive prospect for any home grown tyrant.

    Your ignorance of the concept of deterrence is cute though.

  2. #222
    Ironically, almost all of these marchers support a President who hates the 2nd Amendment.

  3. #223
    Quote Originally Posted by Frenegade42 View Post
    A drone can't enforce curfew on the streets, and a high tech fighter aircraft can't stop and search a car for contraband, a heavy tank can't knock down a door at 1am and arrest a family and a guided missile can't do a show of force and intimidation by standing on a street corner.

    This takes boots on the ground. Security forces who need to eat, rest, recreate, have parents, partners and children. All things which are vulnerable to irregulars with small arms.

    See, your mistake is thinking the 2A protects the US by the citizens with small arms being able to fight a pitched military campaign maneuvering against a modern combined arms force.

    Its about ensuring that any attempt at a tyrannical take over will be an impossible, bloody struggle rendering the United States weakened and dysfunctional - an unattractive prospect for any home grown tyrant.

    Your ignorance of the concept of deterrence is cute though.
    Somebody has watched Red Dawn a few too many times. In reality this idea that the 2nd Amendment is about "ensuring that any attempt at a tryrannical take over" blah blah blah was actually fabricated by the NRA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigToast View Post
    Somebody has watched Red Dawn a few too many times. In reality this idea that the 2nd Amendment is about "ensuring that any attempt at a tryrannical take over" blah blah blah was actually fabricated by the NRA.
    It also did not help all the pro-black rights groups in the US who got bombed by the government anyway.

  5. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by D Luniz View Post
    ah, the assumption that all those people would rise up and work together
    when the truth is they would be in little cells of their drinking buddies, and to small and disorganized to actually fight people that we've literally spent hundreds of thousands per person in training.

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    cause people keep ranting about the law being passed leading to some sort of gun grab.
    It's about the same as the assumption that the military would stay together and all follow orders. It's one thing to fight a war on foreign soil it's another to do so at home when you know your loved ones are at risk.

  6. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by Moadar View Post
    It's about the same as the assumption that the military would stay together and all follow orders. It's one thing to fight a war on foreign soil it's another to do so at home when you know your loved ones are at risk.
    Well, if they don't and violate their orders, as long as they aren't unlawful, they will be arrested for probably a laundry list of crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenegade42 View Post
    A drone can't enforce curfew on the streets, and a high tech fighter aircraft can't stop and search a car for contraband, a heavy tank can't knock down a door at 1am and arrest a family and a guided missile can't do a show of force and intimidation by standing on a street corner.

    This takes boots on the ground. Security forces who need to eat, rest, recreate, have parents, partners and children. All things which are vulnerable to irregulars with small arms.

    See, your mistake is thinking the 2A protects the US by the citizens with small arms being able to fight a pitched military campaign maneuvering against a modern combined arms force.

    Its about ensuring that any attempt at a tyrannical take over will be an impossible, bloody struggle rendering the United States weakened and dysfunctional - an unattractive prospect for any home grown tyrant.

    Your ignorance of the concept of deterrence is cute though.
    Couldn't have explained 2A any more perfectly...

    Quote Originally Posted by BigToast View Post
    Somebody has watched Red Dawn a few too many times. In reality this idea that the 2nd Amendment is about "ensuring that any attempt at a tryrannical take over" blah blah blah was actually fabricated by the NRA.
    ...and yet someone out there still doesn't understand that 2A was implemented ~100 years before the NRA came into existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cockus Maximus View Post
    ...and yet someone out there still doesn't understand that 2A was implemented ~100 years before the NRA came into existence.
    Neither do you apparently since it was implemented because the founders were afraid their new fledgling country would be invaded by some outside force and their greatest fear in the early days was someone making themselves king. What are the odds of that in 2019?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Neither do you apparently since it was implemented because the founders were afraid their new fledgling country would be invaded by some outside force and their greatest fear in the early days was someone making themselves king. What are the odds of that in 2019?
    Being invaded, or Trump and the GOP subverting the Constitution to install themselves as a sort of ruling class?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    And I see this thread has evolved into a gun control debate. lol!
    Someone did not read the OP

    Because it was about gun control from the start

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Neither do you apparently since it was implemented because the founders were afraid their new fledgling country would be invaded by some outside force and their greatest fear in the early days was someone making themselves king. What are the odds of that in 2019?
    The second amendment says that the right to bear arms is necessary to the security of a free state. Meaning everything you just said about an outside force is your assumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenegade42 View Post
    A drone can't enforce curfew on the streets, and a high tech fighter aircraft can't stop and search a car for contraband, a heavy tank can't knock down a door at 1am and arrest a family and a guided missile can't do a show of force and intimidation by standing on a street corner.

    This takes boots on the ground. Security forces who need to eat, rest, recreate, have parents, partners and children. All things which are vulnerable to irregulars with small arms.

    See, your mistake is thinking the 2A protects the US by the citizens with small arms being able to fight a pitched military campaign maneuvering against a modern combined arms force.

    Its about ensuring that any attempt at a tyrannical take over will be an impossible, bloody struggle rendering the United States weakened and dysfunctional - an unattractive prospect for any home grown tyrant.

    Your ignorance of the concept of deterrence is cute though.
    Of all the reasons to bear arms, defense against tyranny is the funniest by far. Even going past the insane procedures and circumstances to set up a tryant in our country, what good does the Constitution do under tyranny?

    We are more likely to be successfully invaded by foreign enemies than to be under rule of tyranny.
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  13. #233
    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Against unarmed people, they are deadly weapons of war, but against tanks or drones if need be, an untrained moron would die easily. So both buttons are in fact still TRUE.
    I was going to say - that comic makes no sense because Button 1 involves unarmed civilians (hell, even ones armed with pistols), vs the other button which involves Military Might.

    To me, that choice is a reflection more on the Gun Nuts to consider as most of them argue that they need those AR-15s in case the "Big Gubbmint" gets uppity. >_<

  14. #234
    It seems like the media is way overhyping this hoping for another Charlottesville to happen. Media loves shootings because they are good for ratings. If the media didn't cover this so hard then barely anyone would show up and nothing would happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenegade42 View Post
    A drone can't enforce curfew on the streets, and a high tech fighter aircraft can't stop and search a car for contraband, a heavy tank can't knock down a door at 1am and arrest a family and a guided missile can't do a show of force and intimidation by standing on a street corner.

    This takes boots on the ground. Security forces who need to eat, rest, recreate, have parents, partners and children. All things which are vulnerable to irregulars with small arms.

    See, your mistake is thinking the 2A protects the US by the citizens with small arms being able to fight a pitched military campaign maneuvering against a modern combined arms force.

    Its about ensuring that any attempt at a tyrannical take over will be an impossible, bloody struggle rendering the United States weakened and dysfunctional - an unattractive prospect for any home grown tyrant.

    Your ignorance of the concept of deterrence is cute though.

    Sure helped a lot of countries during ww2, they sure did not need the help of tens of millions of people from organized militaries.....nope. /s

    You watch too much TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethul Ur No View Post
    Yes, because guerilla warfare involving small arms has never tripped up the US Military.

    There could be upwards of 100 million armed people in the US, certainly several dozen million. We're not talking a platoon vs. one person.

    I'm betting you two are, as usual in these threads, woefully out of your element here.

    and almost all of them would be out of ammo in a month as the military and govt shut down the market the second trouble started. On top of that the vast majority have no interest or the ability to wage any type of real resistance when push comes to shove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cockus Maximus View Post
    The second amendment says that the right to bear arms is necessary to the security of a free state. Meaning everything you just said about an outside force is your assumption.
    You conveniently left out the militia part of it....but that's expected as always
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

  16. #236
    Quote Originally Posted by Cockus Maximus View Post
    The second amendment says that the right to bear arms is necessary to the security of a free state. Meaning everything you just said about an outside force is your assumption.
    The founders wrote papers so unlike your rhetoric mine are not assumptions read a book sometime or watch a play if the big words are too hard for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    It seems like the media is way overhyping this hoping for another Charlottesville to happen. Media loves shootings because they are good for ratings. If the media didn't cover this so hard then barely anyone would show up and nothing would happen.
    The FBI arrested people from that group and threats were made so it's not over hyping, I actually think it's a good thing since it may keep the crazies in check if they know everyone is watching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    The founders wrote papers so unlike your rhetoric mine are not assumptions read a book sometime or watch a play if the big words are too hard for you.
    Resorting to personal attacks when proven wrong, typical.

  18. #238
    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    You conveniently left out the militia part of it....but that's expected as always
    considering then the Militia meant every able-bodied man no point in putting it in, but this is more a discussion for the gun control thread, but fairly sure it's been covered along with the meaning of well regulated for that time period.

  19. #239
    Quote Originally Posted by Dadwen View Post
    considering then the Militia meant every able-bodied man no point in putting it in, but this is more a discussion for the gun control thread, but fairly sure it's been covered along with the meaning of well regulated for that time period.
    And in that Time Period you only had unreliable Rifles and Pistols.

    Time to update the Constitution again to properly define what Well Regulated means. Might as well update to the Constitution to properly define what a Militia really means.
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  20. #240
    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    And in that Time Period you only had unreliable Rifles and Pistols.
    I'm sure compared to the weapons in 100 years ours will seem almost like toys too, but in some cases the hunters had better or as good rifles as troops of the time, lewis and clark had a air rifle made from 1778-1815 that even by today standards was deadly and it was a repeater, able to shoot a .46 caliber ball at velocities of around 750-900 feet/sec (about 225 - 275 meters/sec)

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