Gonna miss titanforging.

[Alydael]

I don't understand the hate titanforging got. It's so boring going into a m+ or raid knowing it's impossible now to get an upgrade. It's gonna be so lame getting the same item level every run and you gear out your character in a few nights of m+.

Also this means the ONLY way to get a decent weapon is mythic raid. Which means I have to commit to the time schedule of others which is an out dated practise in 2020. I'm not 14 anymore who can stay up all night.

Yea yea this forum will be full of "git good" "join a mythic guild noob" and all that bullshit but I much prefer m+ because you only need 4 more people and can do it whenever which suits me as a full time worker on a weird time zone and your mythic loot still gets the cool xmogs and mounts ffs. Now I have to raid mythic to be competitive in content I wanna do. Lame

I agree with you. I liked titanforging.

The hate is from all the "min/max, elitist crowd." They min/max their toon then endlessly grind mythics to get the best pieces for their set. Then they get upset when some player (that doesn't endlessly grind mythics) can stroll in and get a great piece of gear because it procced a titanforge.

The thing they don't realize is that if you really are a good player- you really don't have to worry about any of that. I was always happy when somebody in the group gets a great piece of gear. I never understood the jealous people hating on it.

I guess, like Biggie Smalls said- "there will always be the haters....."

[DemonDays]

Doubtful that even one single person ever quit over Titanforging. It was one of the better things they added to WoW, and without it we're just going to go back to WoD levels of logging in, running the relevant raid once, logging out until next week. I'll be getting less for my sub because there will be zero reason to run anything beyond my weekly Mythic raid clear. They'll likely lose people's sub money for months at a time as we cap out on gear and unsub until the next content release, just like in WoD.

Doubtless when this change bites them in the ass they'll pull a quick 180 and re-add Titanforging or something very similar.

Plebs getting a single niece piece of gear per tier on average has never negatively impacted my gameplay, so being emotional about that is just bizarre. The only people who freak out about getting a base tier item are people who are just OCD about those things.

Titanforging has flow on effects.

How do you design a raid encounter to be hard when RNG casino gear exists? Do you design it for a higher iLevel? What if a guild doesn't get any good TF procs? They're just fucked? Why do you think people are constantly repeatedly pulling the casino lever?

It also ruins the gear progression path. What's wrong with having people go through a clear path of progression? Instead they're getting Mythic Raid quality gear from doing World Quests.

It also has no place in a game that has weekly lockouts. It devalues the raiding scene. There is a reason raiding numbers are down and everyone just spams Mythic+ now. Because Mythic+ is way easier to get gear in.



These systems work in Diablo 3 because it isn't an MMO and it doesn't have weekly lockouts. You can run the content until your eyes bleed.

It has no place in WoW and never should have been added. Alongside all the other cancerous systems ported over from Diablo 3.

PS. Corruption is actually worse. Now you're hunting for a Corruption(TF) proc and then hoping for the right trait within that proc. RNG on RNG on RNG on RNG on RNG.

[Alydael]

Because it shouldn't feel bad to get a baseline mythic item.

Titanforging was one of the worst things Blizzard ever did to this game.

Why would you ever "expect" to get anything more than the baseline item?

That's just crazy! The percentages on those procs were super low- so low, you would never reasonably "expect" to proc one.

It was meant as a surprise bonus every once in awhile. Blizzard was very clear about it. How could you "expect" it when it was 100% clear from the get go that wasn't the way it worked?

Listen to what people say and don't make up narratives (then expect the game to conform to the narrative you made up- that's a little crazy if you think about it)

[relaxok]

I don't understand the hate titanforging got. It's so boring going into a m+ or raid knowing it's impossible now to get an upgrade. It's gonna be so lame getting the same item level every run and you gear out your character in a few nights of m+.

Also this means the ONLY way to get a decent weapon is mythic raid. Which means I have to commit to the time schedule of others which is an out dated practise in 2020. I'm not 14 anymore who can stay up all night.

Yea yea this forum will be full of "git good" "join a mythic guild noob" and all that bullshit but I much prefer m+ because you only need 4 more people and can do it whenever which suits me as a full time worker on a weird time zone and your mythic loot still gets the cool xmogs and mounts ffs. Now I have to raid mythic to be competitive in content I wanna do. Lame

I 100% agree with you.

They added Titanforging due to the complaints that there was no point going with a group to an instance that no longer had upgrades for you..

With titanforging you can nearly ALWAYS get an upgrade.

It was one of the best ideas they ever had and people hate on it for a reason I can't comprehend.

[DemonDays]

I don't understand the hate titanforging got. It's so boring going into a m+ or raid knowing it's impossible now to get an upgrade. It's gonna be so lame getting the same item level every run and you gear out your character in a few nights of m+.

Also this means the ONLY way to get a decent weapon is mythic raid. Which means I have to commit to the time schedule of others which is an out dated practise in 2020. I'm not 14 anymore who can stay up all night.

Yea yea this forum will be full of "git good" "join a mythic guild noob" and all that bullshit but I much prefer m+ because you only need 4 more people and can do it whenever which suits me as a full time worker on a weird time zone and your mythic loot still gets the cool xmogs and mounts ffs. Now I have to raid mythic to be competitive in content I wanna do. Lame

You can still get an upgrade. Corruption is a thing and it's exactly the same.

Also - what's wrong with reaching a ceiling in your gearing. You don't deserve Mythic raid quality gear because you aren't good enough or don't have the time to complete it. Nor do you need the gear.

Do the hard content. Get rewarded with better gear. It's a really simple concept.



Do you go to McDonalds and you line up behind a guy. He orders a 10 pack of nuggets and so do you but his McForges into a 15 pack of nuggets. Does this happen?

[Sámsa]

PS. Corruption is actually worse. Now you're hunting for a Corruption(TF) proc and then hoping for the right trait within that proc. RNG on RNG on RNG on RNG on RNG.

You forgot that you have to hope for the right level of that trait, too.
Because 2 times rng is not worse enough...
Let’s put another one on top of that and give most corruption traits 3 diffetent power levels

[DemonDays]

You forgot that you have to hope for the right level of that trait, too.
Because 2 times rng is not worse enough...
Let’s put another one on top of that and give most corruption traits 3 diffetent power levels

Yep. I have a pair of paints I'll probably never un-equip. Even for a 460 heroic piece.

420 iLevel paints with terrible stats(for my spec) on them. But it has Infinite Stars on it at 75 Corruption level(the highest?).

Last night in Normal Nyalotha it did 20% of my damage. It was my #1 damage source.

[kaminaris]

Titanforging has flow on effects.

How do you design a raid encounter to be hard when RNG casino gear exists? Do you design it for a higher iLevel? What if a guild doesn't get any good TF procs? They're just fucked? Why do you think people are constantly repeatedly pulling the casino lever?

I wish I had casino so i win almost everytime like that. Clearly you don't understand what casino means. And no, method has repeatedly shown that mythic rads can be cleared with subpar under base mythic ilvl gear.


You are correct in one thing, corruption is 10x worse, and we got it because people complained.

I doubt shadowlands will not have any system like this.

[DemonDays]

I wish I had casino so i win almost everytime like that. Clearly you don't understand what casino means. And no, method has repeatedly shown that mythic rads can be cleared with subpar under base mythic ilvl gear.


You are correct in one thing, corruption is 10x worse, and we got it because people complained.

I doubt shadowlands will not have any system like this.

No. We got corruption because the asshole development team won't just straight up delete Titanforging or just reduce/fix it.

They need insane levels of RNG in the game because they know you wouldn't play their dogshit content otherwise.


What was wrong with the system in MoP?

Warforge - +5 iLevels.
Titanforge - +10 iLevels.

Item didn't forge?

Kaminaris' Casino Pants
Item Level 250
Binds when picked up
Unique
Pants
+120 Strength
+120 Stamina
Durability 145 / 145
Requires Level 90
Upgrade Level 0/2

You can spend points you earn. Points you can farm. To upgrade the pants two times. One time for +5 iLevels and the second time for another +5 iLevels. Now your pants are as strong as little Billys who hit the Casino jackpot. You did it by working for it!

Literally WHAT was wrong with the above system? There is nothing wrong with being "done" with a character in an RPG before new content comes out. You do know alts exist right?

[kaminaris]

No. We got corruption because the asshole development team won't just straight up delete Titanforging or just reduce/fix it.

They need insane levels of RNG in the game because they know you wouldn't play their dogshit content otherwise.

Because they WON'T do it. And they are damn right. It was reduced 3 damn times people still bitched about it. Good job, now we have 10x worse system, well deserved dickslap in the face of community.

Math is not your strong side isn't it?
You pull a lever and can either drop the item or not drop the item (base drop chance)
Then it can be 0-1.6% better (WF/TF +0-5-10-15-20)

You use word casino without knowing what it means.

[DemonDays]

Because they WON'T do it. And they are damn right. It was reduced 3 damn times people still bitched about it. Good job, now we have 10x worse system, well deserved dickslap in the face of community.

Math is not your strong side isn't it?
You pull a lever and can either drop the item or not drop the item (base drop chance)
Then it can be 0-1.6% better (WF/TF +0-5-10-15-20)

You use word casino without knowing what it means.

You're joking right? It's literally a slot machine within a slot machine. A casino.

I love how you snipped my example from MoP and completely ignored it with your cherry picked response.

Classic kaminaris right there.

[Dimmak]

I don't understand the hate titanforging got. It's so boring going into a m+ or raid knowing it's impossible now to get an upgrade. It's gonna be so lame getting the same item level every run and you gear out your character in a few nights of m+.

Also this means the ONLY way to get a decent weapon is mythic raid. Which means I have to commit to the time schedule of others which is an out dated practise in 2020. I'm not 14 anymore who can stay up all night.

Yea yea this forum will be full of "git good" "join a mythic guild noob" and all that bullshit but I much prefer m+ because you only need 4 more people and can do it whenever which suits me as a full time worker on a weird time zone and your mythic loot still gets the cool xmogs and mounts ffs. Now I have to raid mythic to be competitive in content I wanna do. Lame

I liked Titan Forge but it was too strong.
It should have been simply 5 ilvl bonus only. Or the equivalent of a gem slot. 15 + ilevels became broken.

[Th3Scourge]

It's an absolutely horrible system. It's actually exactly the same as Titanforging but somehow worse due to the negative effects.

I am currently wearing iLevel 420 corrupted pants with Infinite Stars on it. I have iLevel 445 pants in my bags with perfect stats on it but I can't equip them.

Infinite Stars currently does 19% of my damage in a raid encounter. Army of the Dead doesn't even do this much. It's my #1 damage source. It's already been nerfed twice. The item has 75 Corruption on it. I can only reduce it by 30 so I constantly have ridiculous negative effects running that almost get me killed.

But I can't really un-equip or cleanse it can I? It's the only thing making my new main compete on meters.


Now you aren't hunting for a Titanforge. You're hunting for a corruption proc. Then you're hunting for a specific trait inside that corruption proc. RNG on RNG on RNG on RNG on RNG on RNG on RNG.

This game is still a Casino. Nothing changed.





Bonus: The corruption traits weren't tested in PvP at all. Infinite Stars is currently ending Arena matches in 2 seconds. The Tendril one is doing upwards of 20-25% of peoples damage. Some are reporting that they are doing the same amount of DPS on a healer due to the Tendril trait. So it's basically like you're running 3 DPS in 3s.

its significantly worse than TF. one TF item never increased your damage by 20%. You'd get maybe 1% more power, a little more if it was a weapon. And the worst part is that ilvl and where you obtained an item, including the difficulty to acquire it means nothing because you can get that RNG corruption bonus from anywhere

We had a warrior in our raid last night doing as much damage with echoing void as I was doing in breath windows. They broke the game with such a stupid system

[scarletanh]

People be bitching bout the game for 15 years, they wont stop just because someone tell them to lol
Titanforged existed because they want to keep player doing content, not just playing 2 months then quit for the rest of the patch. But tbh, for me it's always been you either get the drop you want or you dont, it's been like that since vanilla, just that the number change so instead of running 10 time to get it, you now run 20 time.
All and all, I want the token system back so you can purchase the piece if being super unlucky. But for real tho, titanforging was better than corruption hands down

[kaminaris]

You're joking right? It's literally a slot machine within a slot machine. A casino.

I love how you snipped my example from MoP and completely ignored it with your cherry picked response.

Classic kaminaris right there.

You have no damn clue what casino nor slot machine is. Seriously, it's like calling banana a steak.

MoP method was just a gear tax, not a system.

[DemonDays]

You have no damn clue what casino nor slot machine is. Seriously, it's like calling banana a steak.

MoP method was just a gear tax, not a system.

Continue spewing bullshit. You clearly have nothing to say. Have a nice day.

[kaminaris]

Continue spewing bullshit. You clearly have nothing to say. Have a nice day.

I explained how slot machines and casinos are working but you are saying nonsense. And I explained how titanforging works.
There is no difference in those two system except they are based on RNG. But that is about it when it comes to similarities.

People really need to stop parroting dumb youtubers.

[Osmeric]

Not going to miss content that's tuned for the intended audience under the assumption they have titanforged gear.

[glowpipe]

you serious bro?
titanforging lost them a lot of subs

It did, but the removal of TF will also lose them a lot of subs, Thats a fact

[Jerot]

I stepped away from the game over decisions like titanforging, it sucked all the fun out of finding gear upgrades. You had situations where you didn't want the new higher base level loot from new content, you wanted upgraded versions of your BiS trinket from some 5 man dungeon. Within set groups it created tension over loot where one person might get an upgrade over another, and the next week a titanforged version drops and the same people are competing for the drop.

It turned the game into a gear treadmill and muddied the progression from solo content players, to dungeons, to raids and heroics/mythics. It created unhealthy farming habits for players to try and stay competitive, content was being run so much it got repetitive and boring. It is a bad system, there are other lottery style drops that could have kept people farming old content. Mounts, pets, cosmetics, etc.

Other content that used to be grindy (reputations, etc) became time gated so invested players didn't burn themselves out.