Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[JohnBrown1917]

Nixon being a bad president in terms of good governance is debatable - his legacy is stained by him being a crook but he wasn't out and out a bad president (Clean Water Act, EPA, affirmative action). And Eisenhower was arguably good.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...k-in-1.1433510
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...hile#1973_coup


He was a horrible human being.

[zenkai]

Well, before him there was Ford and Nixon. Ford was a fucking joke--literally, Chevy Chase would impersonate him on SNL and do prat falls--but Nixon actually wasn't terrible apart from the Watergate scandal. Hell, he created the EPA--that Trump has been steadily dismantling since he took office.

Further back you had the likes of Eisenhower (created NASA) and Teddy Roosevelt (labor laws and environmental protections), so while I would never consider myself a Republican, I can say that there have been some decent Republican presidents in the past. That has, of course, completely changed now.

Reagan was, as I've mentioned before, the original Trump. A C-list celebrity who jumped into politics for personal gain, had severe mental issues due to advanced age/Alzheimer's and deep-seeded bigotry. The AIDS epidemic happened under his watch and largely due to his administration turning it into a fucking joke. Nancy was the driving force behind that wreck.

I don't see a way forward where there are any decent Republican presidents anymore. Not with those that call themselves Republicans still anyway.

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Where did you learn your history? AIDS scare was taken very seriously, I lived in the 80s, I doubt you were even alive or too young to remember. Also stay on topic instead of posting things you know nothing about.

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I'm inclined to agree based on the histrionics witnessed in this thread:

"How dare your main policies being on worker rights and the economy! It should be about me me me me me and me only! Where is my free money to cover my gender-fluid procedures?!!!? Fuck you, if you don't give me and my trans-buddies all the money, I'm going to support the corporations instead!"

Seriously, chill down. If there are issues they'll be addressed.

Also MSDNC with a good take:

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I don't understand why anyone would support Sanders, I would worry over his age and health.

[Machismo]

Where did you learn your history? AIDS scare was taken very seriously, I lived in the 80s, I doubt you were even alive or too young to remember. Also stay on topic instead of posting things you know nothing about.

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I don't understand why anyone would support Sanders, I would worry over his age and health.

You support a septuagenarian who is morbidly obese, and eats fast food constantly.

And no, the AIDS epidemic was largely ignored by Reagan for years.

[Draco-Onis]

Where did you learn your history? AIDS scare was taken very seriously, I lived in the 80s, I doubt you were even alive or too young to remember. Also stay on topic instead of posting things you know nothing about.

I am not sure why you are trying to rewrite history but the Reagans history on AIDS was very terrible so much so that they tried to make up for it through fundraisers and other initiatives years later. They did not take it seriously they thought it was simply a problem for gay men after the fact they were always defensive about it saying that they did all they could.

[Orbitus]

Where did you learn your history? AIDS scare was taken very seriously, I lived in the 80s, I doubt you were even alive or too young to remember. Also stay on topic instead of posting things you know nothing about.

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I don't understand why anyone would support Sanders, I would worry over his age and health.

Sanders definitely is more in shape than Trump is, and he isn't batshit insane like Trump is. Trump doesn't know what is going on around him.

[zenkai]

Sanders definitely is more in shape than Trump is, and he isn't batshit insane like Trump is. Trump doesn't know what is going on around him.

I'm comparing Sanders, who is older than Trump, to other Democrat primaries. This isn't about Trump. If you think Sanders isn't bat shit insane then you haven't been paying attention to his politics.

[JohnBrown1917]

I'm comparing Sanders, who is older than Trump, to other Democrat primaries. This isn't about Trump. If you think Sanders isn't bat shit insane then you haven't been paying attention to his politics.

You know somebody is very far to the right when somebody sees the most standard of the centre-left as bat shit insane.

Meanwhile, Biden is just as senile as Trump is, but hey, lets just ignore that because he is as conservative as you love them.

[Flarelaine]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...k-in-1.1433510
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...hile#1973_coup


He was a horrible human being.

Not in doubt for a second. History is full of horrible humans providing decent leadership, though, if only to expand/preserve their own power base.

[Orbitus]

I'm comparing Sanders, who is older than Trump, to other Democrat primaries. This isn't about Trump. If you think Sanders isn't bat shit insane then you haven't been paying attention to his politics.

And Trump has literally LIED about his health, he isn't 6' 3" like he claims, unless he grew a couple inches, and he certainly isn't 239 lbs unless he left his fat head off the scale.

And no, Sanders isn't batshit insane. His policies are really no different than some other countries like Germany, Denmark, Sweden, or Norway.

Trump is borderline clinically retarded.

[zenkai]

And Trump has literally LIED about his health, he isn't 6' 3" like he claims, unless he grew a couple inches, and he certainly isn't 239 lbs unless he left his fat head off the scale.

And no, Sanders isn't batshit insane. His policies are really no different than some other countries like Germany, Denmark, Sweden, or Norway.

Trump is borderline clinically retarded.

Why do you keep Bringing up Trump? This is about the DNC primary, I am comparing Sanders health to others he is running against. Not sure how I can make it any easier to understand.

Sanders policies are unrealistic and a pipe dream, there is no way educated middle class hard working people would ever vote for some of his Elitist socialist bullshit ideologies.

[Orbitus]

Why do you keep Bringing up Trump? This is about the DNC primary, I am comparing Sanders health to others he is running against. Not sure how I can make it any easier to understand.

Sanders policies are unrealistic and a pipe dream, there is no way educated middle class hard working people would ever vote for some of his Elitist socialist bullshit ideologies.

You don't think people want cheaper healthcare? You don't think people want cheaper college? You don't think people want their taxes to go down compared to what Trump has instituted? Because Sanders' policies are exactly that.

With singlepayer/medicare for all policy, even a minor tax increase to pay for it, and a somewhat modest increase on the rich, it still would be cheaper in the long run for EVERYONE than what they are paying now for healthcare. Even with a minor tax increase. And it would also save TRILLIONS compared to the capitalistic healthcare we have now where only the rich can not worry about going bankrupt if they have an unexpected illness or accident.

Sanders' policies are more popular than ANYTHING the Republicans have put forth.

[zenkai]

You don't think people want cheaper healthcare? You don't think people want cheaper college? You don't think people want their taxes to go down compared to what Trump has instituted? Because Sanders' policies are exactly that.

With singlepayer/medicare for all policy, even a minor tax increase to pay for it, and a somewhat modest increase on the rich, it still would be cheaper in the long run for EVERYONE than what they are paying now for healthcare. Even with a minor tax increase. And it would also save TRILLIONS compared to the capitalistic healthcare we have now where only the rich can not worry about going bankrupt if they have an unexpected illness or accident.

Sanders' policies are more popular than ANYTHING the Republicans have put forth.

People want lots of things, how about you accomplish these goals are a complete different thing.

[Machismo]

I'm comparing Sanders, who is older than Trump, to other Democrat primaries. This isn't about Trump. If you think Sanders isn't bat shit insane then you haven't been paying attention to his politics.

Except... you support an old fat guy...

The irony is adorable.

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Why do you keep Bringing up Trump? This is about the DNC primary, I am comparing Sanders health to others he is running against. Not sure how I can make it any easier to understand.

Sanders policies are unrealistic and a pipe dream, there is no way educated middle class hard working people would ever vote for some of his Elitist socialist bullshit ideologies.

And, if he were to win, he'd be running against Trump...

[JohnBrown1917]

People want lots of things, how about you accomplish these goals are a complete different thing.

Yeah, by changing the system to benefit the majority. Good idea.

[Edge-]

*Bernie gets an endorsement from Joe Rogan, a relatively apolitical centrist*

Establishment Democrats: “Bernie is a bigot for accepting Joe Rogan’s endorsement. He needs to appeal more to trans people”

Is...a Joe Rogan endorsement that significant? Is he a meaningful political player?

[Telogrus]

Is...a Joe Rogan endorsement that significant? Is he a meaningful political player?

He has a ton of subscribers so yeah

[Edge-]

He has a ton of subscribers so yeah

...and? I mean he's popular, which means...what?

I can't remember the last time he was politically significant, but I fully admit I don't follow him closely.

[Machismo]

He has a ton of subscribers so yeah

So does Pewdiepie.

And, most Rogan fanboys seem to be more in the neighborhood of woke trolls and Trumpsters pretending to totally be centrists.

Once again, your "concern" is disingenuous.

To think, I thought you Trumpsters hated it when celebrities got involved in politics.

[JohnBrown1917]

...and? I mean he's popular, which means...what?

I can't remember the last time he was politically significant, but I fully admit I don't follow him closely.

Having millions of people listening to your polticial opinions and then endorsing Sanders, benefits Sanders, even if Rogan is a total dipshit. The important part is Sanders did not go out of his way to change his policy to pander to them.

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So does Pewdiepie.

And, most Rogan fanboys seem to be more in the neighborhood of woke trolls and Trumpsters pretending to totally be centrists.

Once again, your "concern" is disingenuous.

To think, I thought you Trumpsters hated it when celebrities got involved in politics.

Pewdie is a letsplayers popular with kids(who can't vote), Rogan is talk show host. Different things. Free advertisement is free advertisement.

[starlord]

...and? I mean he's popular, which means...what?

I can't remember the last time he was politically significant, but I fully admit I don't follow him closely.

hes not a person who's endorsement you'd want to trumpet if you were trying to avoid controversy.