Mega-Thread: Impeachment Proceedings & Inquiry of Trump

[Fugus]

Ok, just opened up the hearings for today, I within the first 15 seconds I hear a lie.

First thing I hear is them talking about how the transcript has already been made public when it still hasn't and all we have is the Summary....

Can these fuckers ever actually be honest.....

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And now trying to defend them sweeping the whistle blower complaint saying it wasn't being swept under the rug, it was ruled that it wasn't a violation.....

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Alright, I am done listening to them. I listened to most of them on Saturday, I listened to about an hour on Monday and now this. I have yet to hear anything but lies and it is like you can feel yourself losing IQ points listening to them. If this is all they have, they have less than nothing and it is a waste of time and effort to even listen to them if they can't even use facts and instead rely on debunked conspiracies and flat out proven lies. Better to wait till the questions start tomorrow.

[Clone]

Who's the guy speaking right now that keeps saying duly elected?

[Fugus]

Who's the guy speaking right now that keeps saying duly elected?

Sorry, I don't remember at this point, I listened to the tail end of one attorney and the start of another with zero facts between them both.

[Inuyaki]

Man... Sekulow is such a bad lawyer, I wouldn't hire him for free. I feel I would have more luck in a real trial by representing myself

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Let's leave out the fact that the aid was released after the whole thing came out in newspapers and also congress had to vote on extending the aid because the WH withhold it FOR MONTHS

PS they had to extend, because fiscal year ended... that was a lie by Sekulow right now

[MasterHamster]

US Democracy being dismantled by a mafia in the WH, run by a demented Don, and a complicit bunch of get-rich-by-playing-dumb R-senators.
Sad to see.

[Breccia]

If John Bolton says that in the book I believe John Bolton.

Every single time I was with him ... he always gave the president the unvarnished truth.

-- John Kelly, also a Trump hire

[Masark]

US Democracy being dismantled by a mafiya in the WH, run by a demented Don, and a complicit bunch of get-rich-by-playing-dumb R-senators.
Sad to see.

Small correction.

[ati87]

This article may deserves it's own topic but since the article in question is such a obvious smear job delivered by a Trump ally I also think it's appropriate here.
An exclusive by Politico
Lobbyist bought tropical land from Biden’s brother

This is how stupid the article is

In 2005, Joe Biden’s brother

It is also not clear whether Joe Biden was aware of the transactions.

And the further you go the further stupid it becomes

Over the holiday season before launching his presidential campaign, Biden again traveled to St. Croix, where he was spotted on New Year’s Day 2019.

This article just shows how desperate the Trump are at this point. When the article in question starts with ''In 2005'' it just stinks of desperation.

[Breccia]

Oh @ati87 that's juicy, but this is mouth-watering.

Parnas asks a federal court for permission to hand more evidence directly over to Democrats.

Lev Parnas, an indicted associate of President Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, asked a federal court for permission to turn over more evidence to House Democrats after already providing some evidence, including a 2018 recording of Trump discussing the dismissal of then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch.

In a letter dated Friday, Parnas’s attorney Joseph Bondy asked U.S. District Court Judge Paul Oetken to waive attorney-client privilege rules to allow Parnas to provide more information to the House Intelligence Committee. Parnas is indicted on breaching campaign finance laws, but has yet to be convicted.

Parnas has already turned over information twice under congressional subpoena, though his co-defendent and associate Igor Furman's defense has advocated against it and called Parnas's public approach to the case "unacceptable."

Oetken granted Parnas permission to turn over some of the evidence prosecutors had obtained to House impeachment investigators earlier this month, which included texts, documents and a video of Trump dismissing Yovanovitch after Parnas suggested she wanted the president impeached.

The materials are pursuant to a subpoena the House Intelligence Committee sent Parnas in October as it began its investigation into Trump.

These nothingburgers mmmMMMmmmm oh so fact-filled so much evidence mmmMMmmm

[ati87]

Oh @ati87 that's juicy, but this is mouth-watering.

Parnas asks a federal court for permission to hand more evidence directly over to Democrats.



These nothingburgers mmmMMMmmmm oh so fact-filled so much evidence mmmMMmmm

I think that Moscow Mitch may have underestimated Trump's stupidity and Pelosi got lucky with Parnas.
The more Bolton and Parnas talk in the media the harder it becomes for Moscow Mitch to go for a quick trial and not look stupid which he wouldn't care about but this is kind of reaching a boiling point that even he can't ignore (he still might).

[Inuyaki]

I think that Moscow Mitch may have underestimated Trump's stupidity and Pelosi got lucky with Parnas.
The more Bolton and Parnas talk in the media the harder it becomes for Moscow Mitch to go for a quick trial and not look stupid which he wouldn't care about but this is kind of reaching a boiling point that even he can't ignore (he still might).

I don't think she got lucky, but that she knew and decided to sent the articles because of that. Otherwise she would have just waited longer


Gotta love C-Span callers... "I think Alan Schift ist the whistleblower"

[Reeve]

Man... Sekulow is such a bad lawyer, I wouldn't hire him for free. I feel I would have more luck in a real trial by representing myself

To be fair, he's being asked to defend a clearly guilty man without being able to admit any wrongdoing.

[Shadowferal]

This article may deserves it's own topic but since the article in question is such a obvious smear job delivered by a Trump ally I also think it's appropriate here.
An exclusive by Politico
Lobbyist bought tropical land from Biden’s brother

This is how stupid the article is

And the further you go the further stupid it becomes
This article just shows how desperate the Trump are at this point. When the article in question starts with ''In 2005'' it just stinks of desperation.

Clearly Biden needs to be impeached.

[cubby]

I think that Moscow Mitch may have underestimated Trump's stupidity and Pelosi got lucky with Parnas.
The more Bolton and Parnas talk in the media the harder it becomes for Moscow Mitch to go for a quick trial and not look stupid which he wouldn't care about but this is kind of reaching a boiling point that even he can't ignore (he still might).

Agreed. If they shut this down without witnesses, Pelosi might have to do Articles #3 and #4. We should be getting those tax returns soon, too. #5?

[ati87]

Agreed. If they shut this down without witnesses, Pelosi might have to do Articles #3 and #4. We should be getting those tax returns soon, too. #5?

Way I see it, thanks to the media tour these two are doing right now Moscow Mitch might feel forced to call witnesses just to attempt to safe Trump, just so they can attack Bolton for example and give ''Trumps side''.

[cubby]

-- John Kelly, also a Trump hire

I wonder if he knows for sure that Bolton is telling the truth. Chief of Staffs are reasonably immune from testimony because of Executive Privilege (love it or hate it, having the CoS covered by EP has a very solid practicality to it) so Kelly can't say anything directly, but him coming out like that, speaks silent volumes.

[Inuyaki]

Agreed. If they shut this down without witnesses, Pelosi might have to do Articles #3 and #4. We should be getting those tax returns soon, too. #5?

If they shut this down without witnesses, there should be mass protests...
I know that protests in the US are weak compared to other countries, but there HAS to be a point, right? It can't be that so many people don't care the country sliding into fascism or at least don't care enough

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https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/st...49646426337282

Here are my takeaways:

Trump’s lawyers cannot, and did not, defend him on the facts.

Their defense has evolved to this: he did it, so what?

His lawyers strengthened our case that the Senate must hear from Bolton.

A fair trial requires key witnesses. Will America have one?

[zenkai]

I'm just saying, that if Trump survives this shit and gets to stay in office, the next Democrat president needs to intentionally do something just as bad.

Why? We already had a Democrat President go through the same thing? 2 wrongs don't make a right.

[cubby]

If they shut this down without witnesses, there should be mass protests...
I know that protests in the US are weak compared to other countries, but there HAS to be a point, right? It can't be that so many people don't care the country sliding into fascism or at least don't care enough

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https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/st...49646426337282

I agree there should be protests, but even if there are, they won't matter. Unless they are MASSIVE - like the million person march. IMO, instead of protests, Pelosi should open up Impeachment Hearings again, and get all the new evidence in that way.

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Considering how the SCOTUS has ruled in recent cases I'm not counting on seeing his returns until he's out of office.

It will be interesting to see how it falls with them. The argument for releasing them is pretty sound. But then sometimes that doesn't matter....

[Shadowferal]

Rather telling that Republican senator Ron Johnson was the one that pushed Bolton to talk.