Ny'alotha, The Waking City World First Race

[Xath]

Maybe not watching it fully but it for sure have some impact, especially for NA players. Players might watch it on another screen and not focusing on raid 100%. Raid tiers should never be released close to Super Bowl, BoD had the same issue and that was one minor reason for Limit's loss.

Unless your team is in it you don't really care. Even if one of their teams is in it there is this thing called dvr. BoD had other issues.

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Both of them would need to lose big time in the corruption lottery next ID. I agree, it would be funny though.

They could get every perfect corruption setup possible and they still couldn't repeat the kill with 3 orbs if the reset is fixed. People don't understand how much that increased their damage.

[Sneek]

You cant get stuck on Raden anymore, you can just bring 4-5 DKs and its an auto win fight

would be funny tho

[Mascotte]

I'm just glad we agree, Method Exploited.

Using that logic, so did Limit.
They tried to pre-immune the Ra-Den unstable nightmare debuff by forcing it to jump to a player in an immunity, causing the debuff to completely be negated.
Blizzard quickly stepped in and hotfixed it so clearly that wasnt intended behaviour.
However, pulling and resetting Ra-Den to build stacks is still completely available right now, so clearly they dont really care about that.
Who exploited more; a guild trying to use something iffy to remove part of the encounter entirely (thats even listed in the journal as being part of the encounter) or a guild that had some odd behaviour to try and start an encounter a little stronger then they maybe should?

You could say Method exploited and have some ground for that claim, but you cant then say Limit is in the clear because what they did is worse on any scale.

[Ghostile]

Using that logic, so did Limit.
They tried to pre-immune the Ra-Den unstable nightmare debuff by forcing it to jump to a player in an immunity, causing the debuff to completely be negated.
Blizzard quickly stepped in and hotfixed it so clearly that wasnt intended behaviour.
However, pulling and resetting Ra-Den to build stacks is still completely available right now, so clearly they dont really care about that.
Who exploited more; a guild trying to use something iffy to remove part of the encounter entirely (thats even listed in the journal as being part of the encounter) or a guild that had some odd behaviour to try and start an encounter a little stronger then they maybe should?

You could say Method exploited and have some ground for that claim, but you cant then say Limit is in the clear because what they did is worse on any scale.

Limit also used the exact same tactic to get double meta for DHs iirc.

[Einsz]

The Weekly Reset in the US is at 7pm?

US servers were up after 7pm (tuesday CET), usually weekly reset is 4pm CET

[Xath]

Limit also used the exact same tactic to get double meta for DHs iirc.

Yep Double meta is definitely equivalent to 4 locks with 20 stack grim step off already

[Frolk]

Whatever you do, do not bring up the fact Method Exploited a boss re spawn timer. INSTANT ban from Mod's and a strong talking to from the casters.

The race is a great one, but make NO MISTAKE, Method is not in this race. EXPLOITERS

Why are you so upset over clever use of game mechanics?
Give it a rest.

[Mascotte]

Yep Double meta is definitely equivalent to 4 locks with 20 stack grim step off already

So both exploited but Method used the same exploit smarter? Is that the defense now?
Murder is murder, shooting someone 5 times or 12 times wont matter for the victim..

[BeatdownBrigade]

Limit also used the exact same tactic to get double meta for DHs iirc.

It has been discussed to death that these two uses are not remotely the same. One, at best, shaves a second or two off the fight. The other shaved 50 seconds off P1 even without using lust, and allowing lust to be saved for P2. While neither should have been possible, its disingenuous to pretend something that has almost no impact on a kill from something that completely changes how a boss fight was designed. Limit still is the only guild to kill Ra'den with 4 sparks as intended at this level of gearing.

[Ghostile]

It has been discussed to death that these two uses are not remotely the same. One, at best, shaves a second or two off the fight. The other shaved 50 seconds off P1 even without using lust, and allowing lust to be saved for P2. While neither should have been possible, its disingenuous to pretend something that has almost no impact on a kill from something that completely changes how a boss fight was designed. Limit still is the only guild to kill Ra'den with 4 sparks as intended at this level of gearing.

either something is an exploit, or isn't.

Not fully utilizing the exploit doesn't make it not an exploit.

[Sneek]

If method only had 2 locks and limit had 4 DKs it would be limit who was the exploiters and not method

Class stacking is exploiting anyway

[Xizz]

Id laugh if we all got proved wrong and Alpha just ninjas the kill somehow

[Wezmon]

It has been discussed to death that these two uses are not remotely the same. One, at best, shaves a second or two off the fight. The other shaved 50 seconds off P1 even without using lust, and allowing lust to be saved for P2. While neither should have been possible, its disingenuous to pretend something that has almost no impact on a kill from something that completely changes how a boss fight was designed. Limit still is the only guild to kill Ra'den with 4 sparks as intended at this level of gearing.

It has been discussed a lot, but no one can give a clear answer. If limit did it and saved 2 secs, and method/pieces did it and saved 50s, at what point is it bannable? 10 secs.. 20? a minute? No one is willing to put a number on it, as its ridiculous, you can only do everyone or no one. Max himself said it was the same thing but taken to an extreme and was a grey area.

[BeatdownBrigade]

either something is an exploit, or isn't.

Not fully utilizing the exploit doesn't make it not an exploit.

I would think the fact Blizzard watched Limit's kill and made other hotfixes would lend a belief they were fine with that usage. Meanwhile Limit has been comfortable name dropping Ion specifically telling them they would have fixed Method's usage had they been up and able and not just vaguely saying 'just someone at Blizz'. I think about everyone is confident Ra'Den's respawn will be fixed next week which will lend credence to the fact the warlock usage was clearly not what Blizzard wanted. Plus breaking rules is not some black and white thing, there is always levels and discretions to rule breaking.

[Ghostile]

Id laugh if we all got proved wrong and Alpha just ninjas the kill somehow

Alpha, Pieces and Aversion are my bets for world first besides Method and Limit.

[Supakitch]

Yep Double meta is definitely equivalent to 4 locks with 20 stack grim step off already

Doesn’t matter what we say. The Method fanbois refuse to look at it logically. You can never be right while surrounded by a group of imbeciles.

[dacoolist]

Id laugh if we all got proved wrong and Alpha just ninjas the kill somehow

It's going to be between Meth or Lim and everyone's going to COATTAIL Ride their dicks like they are from a region who sucks or doesn't suck

Be honest, this is world of warcraft, not a chess league with some CLASS ;D

[Stormbreed]

Method "exploited"

Limit "exploited"

Neither broke rules laid out by blizzard.

It is something that is against the rules. Abuse of broken mechanics.

Regardless, cheaters gonna cheat.

[Vorkreist]

Raid tiers should never be released close to Super Bowl

They should because the rest of the world doesn't care about shitty american sports.

[Acherus01]

Paragon has a total of 7 world firsts titles. While Method has 11. Pretty obvious which one is greater than the other...