Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[mvaliz]

And so does Trump.
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You people are literally the same as Trump supporters in the things you say to defend your cult leader.

Literally the same.

There's only one person I see here who's using language more like Dump supporters than Bernie supporters. For the exact same reasons as well. ;P

[Telogrus]

When you probably get some sources to back this shit up.

And where’s the evidence that “Bernie Bros” are a cult?

MSM addicts constantly accuse everyone that doesn’t agree with them of being a bigot, Trump supporter, or Russian asset. Basically anyone who doesn’t agree with MSM is either a dumbass or secret enemy of America.

[mvaliz]

That combined with Bernie Bros already actively saying they won't vote for any other candidate pretty much guarantees Trump another term.

Got to echo what carpenter said above, I don't see many (if any) here who saying that - and certainly not ones I'd identify as "Bernie Bros" by any stretch of the imagination.

I think you might be letting your experiences of fear of 2016 creep back a bit in there. Trust me, I get it! But honestly I don't think the majority of Bernie supporters are going to make that same mistake a second time. All the circles I've been around certainly aren't echoing that same 2016 sentiment - at worst they're saying "I'll cringe when I vote for Biden, but I still will".

Also, remember, Russia's going to be out in FULL force to try to get the two sides divided - remember in 2016 they played BOTH sides of the Dem field, not just one! That goes doubley for you to @Skroe! So keep in mind any so-called "Bernie Bros" you do see spouting shit might also just be a Russian botter again.

[Telogrus]

Yeah, I have no fucking clue what he is talking about. Saying the Democrats are the criminals, and Trump has done nothing wrong. It is like I am living in bizarro world.

I literally said no where in my post that I think Trump is innocent, nor did I even imply it. This is the cult-like behavior that MSM instills in its listeners. They want you to think that anyone who isn’t with them is with Trump. All of MSM is driven by profits and will make you believe whatever they want you to believe in order to benefit them and keep themselves rich. You can probably recognize that Fox News is blatantly brainwashing/gaslighting its viewers, but the same applies to CNN/MSNBC. Just look at Russiagate

[Telogrus]

Really?

We're the cult?

We've had three years of Trumpsters defending every little thing Donald does, three years of Republicans enabling his every move . . . and we're the cult?

They’re both cults

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In my eyes the people not supporting Sanders are the cult.

A corporate cult that keeps repeating the same nonsense spewed to them on all these mainstream news channels.

Every time they run out of arguments they pull out the "You're just like Trump supporters!"-card.

I'm still waiting to see what makes Bernie supporters just like Trump Supporters. Right now it's just some nebulous accusation based on literally nothing.

The people who think it’s ridiculous to call MSM a cult are the same people who think it’s ridiculous to call any organized religion a cult. Religion is literally just one big cult, and MSM exhibits cult-like behavior, but people don’t wanna think of them as cults because they don’t wanna think that such a large portion of the population (maybe themselves included) got suckered into believing a bunch of nonsense

[eschatological]

And where’s the evidence that “Bernie Bros” are a cult?

MSM addicts constantly accuse everyone that doesn’t agree with them of being a bigot, Trump supporter, or Russian asset. Basically anyone who doesn’t agree with MSM is either a dumbass or secret enemy of America.

Here's the quality of the cult-ishness of Bernie supporters:

1) Politico publishes a story about private conversations between less than half a dozen people in the DNC with very little overall authority pondering a change to rules to simply let superdelegates vote on the first ballot as well as the 2nd, instead of just the 2nd. A moot point if a candidate can win the support of superdelegates regularly and proportionally, seeing as superdelegates are just members of the DNC from around the country with no special authority or political power. Even these half dozen people admit such a change is very, very unlikely.

2) Bernie supporters, hearing this, flip their shit. It reminds them of 2016, where they again flipped their shit over nothing in accusing the DNC of rigging the primary for Hillary WHEN SHE WOULD HAVE BEAT HIM EVEN WITHOUT SUPERDELEGATES and got more than 3 million votes more than him in the primaries.

3) They spend an evening in Iowa flipping their shit, with Michael Moore egging them on, about how the DNC is rigged against Bernie, when nothing has changed and nothing is likely to change, because the only way to engage these supporters is to speak in populist, revolutionary speech where everyone who isn't "with them" is "against them."

4) Bernie supporters on this forum echo point 3 ad nauseum with the same lack of insight or depth or nuance, and just scream about things that are just factually incorrect.

[beanman12345]

I literally said in my posts it was a couple people discussing something pants on heads retarded, and response is "it was only a couple people you are wrong." ok.

[eschatological]

I literally said in my posts it was a couple people discussing something pants on heads retarded, and response is "it was only a couple people you are wrong." ok.

You may have been reasonable about it. Bernie's rally last night in Iowa wasn't reasonable about it at all. Neither are posters like Dimensius, or Rochana.

[Elegiac]

In my eyes the people not supporting Sanders are the cult.

Hun, I've been bitching about neoliberals since the Keating era. My relatives left Greece during the Civil War for being supporters of the communists, and I've been a card carrying member of the socialist left of the ALP since you were in short trousers. So for y'all to think stanning a former tankie now that actual leftism isn't a political death sentence in the US gives you license to question someone's red blooded credentials is beyond delusional.

The audacity of it all. You're not going to get any traction by insinuating that everyone who doesn't support Sanders is somehow bluepilled.

[mvaliz]

Here's the quality of the cult-ishness of Bernie supporters:

1) Politico publishes a story about private conversations between less than half a dozen people in the DNC with very little overall authority pondering a change to rules to simply let superdelegates vote on the first ballot as well as the 2nd, instead of just the 2nd. A moot point if a candidate can win the support of superdelegates regularly and proportionally, seeing as superdelegates are just members of the DNC from around the country with no special authority or political power. Even these half dozen people admit such a change is very, very unlikely.

2) Bernie supporters, hearing this, flip their shit. It reminds them of 2016, where they again flipped their shit over nothing in accusing the DNC of rigging the primary for Hillary WHEN SHE WOULD HAVE BEAT HIM EVEN WITHOUT SUPERDELEGATES and got more than 3 million votes more than him in the primaries.

3) They spend an evening in Iowa flipping their shit, with Michael Moore egging them on, about how the DNC is rigged against Bernie, when nothing has changed and nothing is likely to change, because the only way to engage these supporters is to speak in populist, revolutionary speech where everyone who isn't "with them" is "against them."

4) Bernie supporters on this forum echo point 3 ad nauseum with the same lack of insight or depth or nuance, and just scream about things that are just factually incorrect.

...dafuq are you getting this from!? Especially this "Populist speech" nonsense? Did you even see a single clip from the Bernie event in Iowa? o_O There was nothing, absolutely nothing about "if you're not with us, you're against us!" nonsense you're talking about.

Dude, look at your post here vs everyone else's - you and maybe 2 other self-proclaimed "Anti-Bernie Bro" people are the only ones busting their nut over here on these forums with rage, not even the couple Russian trolls are going as far as you are. Calm down... =/

[eschatological]

My parents would have voted for Dukakis in '88 if they were citizens yet. Alas, we were merely green card holders at that point. So would I, had I been 18. That's how you know you've been a liberal for a long-ass time.

[mvaliz]

Frankly, I'm not even up to date about what happened or was said in Iowa last night, but I only have to glance over the past few pages to know you and your side is not reasonable either. Ridiculing Bernie supporters and attacking them seems the norm.

Don't act surprised then when they lash back...

I think the Russian trollbots got to them with more missinformation via other forums/social media, especially about the Iowa Rally. People seem to forget that Russia played BOTH sides against eachother in 2016 - and they're clearly out to do it again. =/

[eschatological]

Frankly, I'm not even up to date about what happened or was said in Iowa last night, but I only have to glance over the past few pages to know you and your side is not reasonable either. Ridiculing Bernie supporters and attacking them seems the norm.

Don't act surprised then when they lash back...

I'm on the record in this thread saying I support Bernie's policies and would vote for the man if he became the nominee. But I support Warren for these primaries at the very least, and am constantly harangued for it by....you guessed it, Bernie supporters, who think she's somehow a corporatist, and who attack her at every turn for daring to be anywhere close to Bernie's positions.

[eschatological]

...dafuq are you getting this from!? Especially this "Populist speech" nonsense? Did you even see a single clip from the Bernie event in Iowa? o_O There was nothing, absolutely nothing about "if you're not with us, you're against us!" nonsense you're talking about.

Dude, look at your post here vs everyone else's - you and maybe 2 other self-proclaimed "Anti-Bernie Bro" people are the only ones busting their nut over here on these forums with rage, not even the couple Russian trolls are going as far as you are. Calm down... =/

They didn't specifically parrot Bush's infamous line, but Michael Moore was definitely riling people up while talking about the DNC rigging things against Bernie.

Edit: Also, you haven't seen in this thread and others, people talking about this politico story and how the DNC is rigging things against Bernie? Were you here in 2016, when Bernie supporters threw a shit fit over the DNC rigging those primaries when A) HRC won those primaries by like, 3 million votes, B) Bernie's inability to sway party superdelegates speaks more to his years as a critic who refused to be a part of the party, not Hillary's nefariousness, C) EMail hacks, timed perfectly by the Russians, leaked private discussions of how to get Bernie out of the race AFTER Hillary had sewn up the nomination and Bernie had refused to concede, discussions which never even made it to a planning stage, let alone real-life implementation.

I mean, it's like deja vu all over again.

[mvaliz]

They didn't specifically parrot Bush's infamous line, but Michael Moore was definitely riling people up while talking about the DNC rigging things against Bernie.

Source please, although I could see it being said in regards to the one change they recently did. But knowing MM it was more of a quip than anything about "Riling them up" like you're describing. You make it sound like he's trying to get them to burn the building down or somesuch nonsense.

again, calm down! =/

[Elegiac]

Frankly, I'm not even up to date about what happened or was said in Iowa last night, but I only have to glance over the past few pages to know you and your side is not reasonable either. Ridiculing Bernie supporters and attacking them seems the norm.

Don't act surprised then when they lash back...

Not sure if you were paying attention to what @eschatological said, but it was distinctly that "Bernie supporters lash out because they interpret everything as an attack or ridiculing".

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Doesn't matter jackshit what you did or what you were when you've just ended up blending into the same rabid and hypocritcal mob attacking everyone not supporting the establishment candidates.

To me you're just one of a bunch who enjoys to attack and ridicule me and others because we find Bernie electable or the best candidate.

Thus illustrating the heart of the matter:

My left wing beliefs and credentials are irrelevant because I don't support Bernie. It isn't about ideology, it's about whether or not you believe in Bernie Sanders.

That is a cult.

[Canpinter]

Everyone chill stop doing trump/putins work for them.

[Elegiac]

Everyone chill stop doing trump/putins work for them.

Do y'all just not grasp the concept of a primary or...what?

[Canpinter]

Do y'all just not grasp the concept of a primary or...what?

ya you argue policy/electably . not calling every other side a cult, because all that will do is piss everyone off enough that they may not work together after the primary.

[Elegiac]

ya you argue policy/electably . not calling every other side a cult, because all that will do is piss everyone off enough that they may not work together after the primary.

We are not supposed to call out behavior that would make it difficult to work together after the primary because it would make it difficult to work together after the primary.

...Right.