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    Yes simply because it comes and goes in waves. I lived through Wotlk and Cata and while WoD almost killed it for me, Legion and BFA have been improvements over that. (Legion more than BFA)

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    good but not great ones, yes.
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    well, their "bad" expansions are still fun to play and to me better than any other mmorpg on the market...
    but yes, they are capable of doing good even great expansion, question remain if shadownlands will be good or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Globi View Post
    Legion was a good expansion

    MOP was a good expansion

    So, Shadowland'll be a good expansion

    It's the prophecy
    This is my opinion, take it or leave it.
    In my opinion the last actually GOOD WoW expansion was Mists of Pandaria, The rest are below standards from Blizzard.
    I find this opinion to be placed in any of their recent games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyback View Post
    Out of curiosity, what is your favorite expansion?

    Because Activision-Blizzard has existed since 2007 and made official 2008 which is the majority of the lifespan of WoW.
    You can see the difference in WoW during WoD. Where they had new plans how to make patches, how to do stuff.
    The original way how they did WoW, Vanilla till MoP in my eyes was alot better. We never had so bad expansions till now.
    Selfie patch? Do we even call that a patch?
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    They absolutely can. The question is whether they will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akka View Post
    Is this really worthy of admiration ?
    Well, it is... in a quite wicked sense, I'll admit.
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    WoD was the expansion that was targeted at non raiders.

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    Why not? The game has been on the rise since Ion took over. We've had the two best expacs WoD and BfA under his able leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimlix View Post
    This is my opinion, take it or leave it.
    In my opinion the last actually GOOD WoW expansion was Mists of Pandaria, The rest are below standards from Blizzard.
    To be fair, you are confusing standard with potential. You may consider recent expansions to be below their potential, or your personal expectations, but their standard is dictated by their releases, not your expectations. Either you simply have not enjoyed the expansions as much recently, or, their standard has simply lowered over time, which is not at all unusual for a developer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rendark View Post
    Speaking as someone who was not in a try hard guild, no they were not fun.
    So when you got one it did not feel good at all or in any way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Globi View Post
    Legion was a good expansion

    MOP was a good expansion

    So, Shadowland'll be a good expansion

    It's the prophecy
    Legion was a good expansion? That's news to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockybalboa View Post
    Why not? The game has been on the rise since Ion took over. We've had the two best expacs WoD and BfA under his able leadership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    To be fair, you are confusing standard with potential. You may consider recent expansions to be below their potential, or your personal expectations, but their standard is dictated by their releases, not your expectations. Either you simply have not enjoyed the expansions as much recently, or, their standard has simply lowered over time, which is not at all unusual for a developer.
    It's a mix of no longer interested in WoW as i used to. (Someone how had 80% of the achievements during MoP, Swift spectral tiger, CM Gold etc and 16 hours a day played) I just no longer find interest in the game. I know this is not Blizzard fault but seeing what kinda content they are bringing out, it's not like they are even trying to motivate you to play their game.

    It's basically the same but updated for last 3 expansions. Which is ashame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dziubla View Post
    There's always classic. Spamming one button for the duration of the entire boss sure was fun.
    I play classic, I play a class thats not a one buttoner (dps warrior).

    While MC, and probably bwl, are too easy, Aq40 and naxx are going to be great.

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    The next good expansion will be Classic: TBC. We will never have another expansion even close to the level of Legion or even MoP, hell at this point cataclysm quality isnt even within reach.

  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by Littleraven View Post
    Honestly Shadowlands will be the true test.
    I've heard this very sentence since at least WoD. Let's just admit that there will never be a "true test".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shnider View Post
    How about something in between retail and classic. Really hate the fact that current mythic raids are balanced around method and limit players.
    Except...Are they? At the start - sure, I guess. But after the world firsts, they always get nerfed, more and more with each month, usually. To use EP as an example, plenty of pugs were capable of doing 4-5/8. If pugs can do more than half a mythic raid, I don't think it counts as "balancing it around top guilds".

    Quote Originally Posted by Hinastorm View Post
    I play classic, I play a class thats not a one buttoner (dps warrior).

    While MC, and probably bwl, are too easy, Aq40 and naxx are going to be great.
    Well. People were saying the same thing about BWL, after they got disappointed by MC. I guess we will see, but I wouldn't set my hopes too high.
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    I have enjoyed each expansion so far, and I look forward to what's to come. Blizzard has not given me a reason to dislike their content yet, and I'll summarize my thoughts per expansion on why.

    BC - Started playing about 3 months from the expansion launch, so I had just enough time to ding 60 before going to Outland. I loved the updates they made to questing, and that there were viable options in every spec of the classes. I didn't have to be a warrior tank, and actually pushed more toward druid than anything because i could also reliably dps without having to hearth to switch specs.

    Wrath - Death knights and achievements! Also, the story and the continent really played well from beginning to end. I even made several friends I still have today. We started our own guild and progressed together from the retooled Naxx all the way through ICC.

    Cataclysm - A world revamp for the alts I haven't leveled yet? Yes please! Also, I again enjoyed the storylines of each zone building up to the confrontations in the raids. Got my rogue daggers

    Mists - Monks and pandaren! I hadn't played the WC3 expansion with Chen, but I loved the idea of pandaren from the moment I learned about them reading up on what would become Wowpedia (before they moved sites). I actually made an orc monk named Genesee to celebrate getting my job with the brewery. I main tanked with him into Throne of Thunder, but guild drama got the better of me, so I broke away for a bit before coming back in time to finish my rogue's cloak.

    Warlords - I was still on a mini break from raiding until the last patch, when I caught up and helped raid for the short term mount. I spent my time learning new classes and loving my gladiator warrior. My rogue, of course, got the most progress, with the ring all the way through and through. The new models were awesome, and I eventually actually leveled an alliance character to better see the story play out in Shadowmoon Valley.

    Legion - 12 classes and 12+ characters at 110 later, I got all of the mage tower artifact weapons I wanted, and had a helluva time raiding in each of the expansion's raids this time around. First time since before MoP. Amazing, small stories that played out into a larger conflict as the expansion progressed, culminating on a different world we'd only heard of before. Still loved the gameplay of 3 different specs for my rogue.

    BfA - I still need to finish Death knight, but every other class (and then some) is now 120. I also finally broke full into alliance to help unlock and level allied races. As of 8.3 launch date, I have every available allied race, I'm just waiting for the level squish to push some to 60 and get their heritage armor.

  17. #137
    I'm fairly positive that Blizzard we used to know and love for well done and wholesome games started becomming overwhelmingly profit orientated and treating gaming community with disregard around the end of WotLK. Since 2010 there were hardly any signs of love for the games and decent customer treatment since then.

    Unatteinable release goals for quaterly calls became a norm (like when was the last time we saw a WoW expansion/major patch release without BASIC flaws to both introduced systems and content/character power?), power creep is real, apparently rare and occasional special offers as subscription incentive have now become a 6-8 month guaranteed "promotion", P2W is a real thing (Even Blizzards tournament casters discussed it with Preach a couple of days ago and all agreed upon it), payed carries ads plague all ingame chats and all group finder browsers and RNG is the primary driving factor for the whole game.

    Overwatch and its lootboxes is another sign of a cashgrab. 4 releases of HS bullshit xpacs/year filled with ever increasing RNG involved and full 20hp combo possibilities is just fucked up moneygrab with casino royale involved (every expansion = full 3A title price without guarantee of being even remotely able to construct a reasonable deck + all the dungeon/story pve bullshit). D3 was a huge controversy, it was sort of good but not really. WC3 reforged is a massive FU towards the older playerbase and we all know how well HotS went for them. It looks like starcraft reforged was the only sort of well received thing they've made in the last decade.

    Blizzard is dead, they may have a shot if the likes of Bobby the asshole, Allen douchBrack and other executives miraculously dissappear and the company goes through a major overhaul. Otherwise their sheep-like target customer base will slowly bleed out. Though I think any creativity is tottaly dead there and they're only trying to capitalise on the well known IPs, keep swimming in the pool of free cash as long as possible and then sell the company to some chinese skelephobes.

  18. #138
    They did Legion, which was my all time top period of WoW, so yeah. BFA has had a lot of good hindered by a lot of bad but at the end of the day that only middles around to "still more engaging to me than Cata/MOP/WOD."

    We're lucky we just had Legion, the altapocalypse expansion, so even with my main worse for wear I have a bunch of backups all of a sudden. Been loving the monk, who seems more "stable" due to not being reliant on "rented abilities" from the expansion to feel good to play.
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    I do think they can make a good expansion. I don't know that it will be good enough to bring me back to WoW at this point, but I don't think they are incapable of doing it. I hope Shadowlands is good for those who are still playing. I'd say, don't pre-order it until it's closer and people can play the beta, but that doesn't mean I'd want them to fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimlix View Post
    It's a mix of no longer interested in WoW as i used to. (Someone how had 80% of the achievements during MoP, Swift spectral tiger, CM Gold etc and 16 hours a day played) I just no longer find interest in the game. I know this is not Blizzard fault but seeing what kinda content they are bringing out, it's not like they are even trying to motivate you to play their game.

    It's basically the same but updated for last 3 expansions. Which is ashame.
    This is a really good way of looking at it. Personally, there are changes they could make that would greatly increase my playtime and interest in the product, however my life is no the same as it was in 2004-2012 either, so my playtime would be lower no matter what, i just dont have as much spare time as i did. I also have begun enjoying a wider variety of games again, and actually enjoy my consoles quite a bit as well.

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