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    The harvesting of anima by the Night Fae

    So the Night Fae retrieve anima from souls that get send to Ardenweals, and infuse spirits with it so they may be reborn, right? So why is everyone saying that the soul is destroyed when the Night Fae retrieve the anima from it? So many people on this forum have said this, but I've never found an official source for it.

    It also wouldn't make any sense whatsoever for the Night Fae to completely 'destroy' a soul. That seems like a worse fate than the Maw.

    So has any of you guys found an official source that states that the souls are destroyed when the anima is retrieved from it? I just find it hard to believe that a soul that gets sent to Ardenweald (which is one of the 'nicer' afterlives') is completely destroyed by the Night Fae.

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    The easiest explanation is that anima is not your actual soul, it's more like the mana or essence or external-yet-connected force that your soul has. Absorbing something's anima doesn't kill the creature. Like you said, that would mean literally every group in power in Shadowlands is just mass murdering every soul that arrives here by using its anima. And that's just not what's happening.

    We don't have enough information to fully spell it out but the fact that even in the very brief glimpse we saw of Bastion, there are new souls arriving there and they're not being destroyed when their anima is harvested.

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    Predicting now that anima and so on will be the new midichlorians.
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    Don't think about it too hard. Blizzard's lore on the afterlife is complete chaos.
    For instance there is both a spirit and a soul. The difference between them is unknown. Sometimes they're different, sometimes they're the same thing.

    Arthas' soul was taken by Frostmourn when he became a deathknight, it's in the lore. Then what of Arthas is being tormented in the Shadowlands if his soul is innocent of everything he has done?

    Why does Velen say the pure souls go to the Light? Is the Light cheating the Shadowlands out of their due?

    Trust me, don't think of the afterlife in WoW, you'll get an aneurysm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sygmar View Post
    Don't think about it too hard. Blizzard's lore on the afterlife is complete chaos.
    For instance there is both a spirit and a soul. The difference between them is unknown. Sometimes they're different, sometimes they're the same thing.

    Arthas' soul was taken by Frostmourn when he became a deathknight, it's in the lore. Then what of Arthas is being tormented in the Shadowlands if his soul is innocent of everything he has done?

    Why does Velen say the pure souls go to the Light? Is the Light cheating the Shadowlands out of their due?

    Trust me, don't think of the afterlife in WoW, you'll get an aneurysm.
    Don't think about it too hard is true of all lore. They'll either try to ignore anything existing or retcon it into next Tuesday. They prefer simple "epic" moments because the current writers are aging metal fans, and consistency is "boring" to them. Arthas (who was the Lich King, but wasn't, but was, but...) bad, Arthas suffer. For your point on Velen, expect them to retcon that what with the new "Light is bad too" cancer.
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    Well some Kyrians were formerly Tauren, so there's that.

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    It's really not too difficult to figure out, once you stop thinking that every plot point as spoken through the eyes of an NPC is the absolute truth and a canon statement.

    Velen's "good souls go into the light" is a statement of faith, not a statement of fact. He's a religious leader.

    Whatever hold Frostmourne had on Arthas is gone when it was destroyed. He "saw only darkness", and his 'self' was consigned to the Maw (as far as we know).

    People use vernacular terms that are not scientifically precise all the time, why must it be in video games that all terms be precise and factual?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelangel View Post
    It's really not too difficult to figure out, once you stop thinking that every plot point as spoken through the eyes of an NPC is the absolute truth and a canon statement.

    Velen's "good souls go into the light" is a statement of faith, not a statement of fact. He's a religious leader.

    Whatever hold Frostmourne had on Arthas is gone when it was destroyed. He "saw only darkness", and his 'self' was consigned to the Maw (as far as we know).

    People use vernacular terms that are not scientifically precise all the time, why must it be in video games that all terms be precise and factual?
    The Light does seem to have some kind of domain, though; shown both by the Crusader Bridenbrad questline in WotLK as well as the death of Anduin's elderly butler in "Before the Storm." Given the infinitude of the Shadowlands it may just be a place there, however. We're only seeing a sampling of the various afterlife scenarios in Shadowlands.
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    The Void has a realm, Telogrus Rift is in it and Magister Umbric can open portals to the Void. Thus the Light also has its own realm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra the War Criminal View Post
    The Void has a realm, Telogrus Rift is in it and Magister Umbric can open portals to the Void. Thus the Light also has its own realm.
    I'm more referring to the domains or shoal-type regions within the Shadowlands themselves. The Void is as much as place as it is an energy, and presumably the Light is as well - but whether they have a place within the Shadowlands all their own, or they *are* the place where souls can also arrive, is kind of indistinct.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    I'm more referring to the domains or shoal-type regions within the Shadowlands themselves. The Void is as much as place as it is an energy, and presumably the Light is as well - but whether they have a place within the Shadowlands all their own, or they *are* the place where souls can also arrive, is kind of indistinct.
    Oh sorry I misunderstood. Well isn't Bastion implied to be that heaven the Crusader in Icecrown was going to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra the War Criminal View Post
    Oh sorry I misunderstood. Well isn't Bastion implied to be that heaven the Crusader in Icecrown was going to?
    Not sure, to be honest - is there anything that implies Bridenbrad is in Bastion, or was?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Not sure, to be honest - is there anything that implies Bridenbrad is in Bastion, or was?
    Not really, I just assume Bastion is "heaven" because of the whole Light/Paladin theme going on around that zone. Though the lack of any naaru probably proves my theory wrong, since it was after all a naaru who sent the Crusader to heaven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanoro View Post
    Predicting now that anima and so on will be the new midichlorians.
    It certainly already sounds just as shit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    The Light does seem to have some kind of domain, though; shown both by the Crusader Bridenbrad questline in WotLK as well as the death of Anduin's elderly butler in "Before the Storm." Given the infinitude of the Shadowlands it may just be a place there, however. We're only seeing a sampling of the various afterlife scenarios in Shadowlands.
    Come on, that's nothing Blizzard couldn't retcon at any time if they wanted to. Besides, if the light afterlife exists, why isn't Uther there?

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    For what we know, it might work just as our concept of reincarnation, so if you die, you might come back as one of the 12 boars from a kill quest in Durotar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra the War Criminal View Post
    The Void has a realm, Telogrus Rift is in it and Magister Umbric can open portals to the Void. Thus the Light also has its own realm.
    telogrus is not within the void, just a heavily void corrupted section of space. all dialogue hints that it is the remains of the void corrupt titan than sargeras killed. the void most definitely has a realm, alleria travels through it several times in the audio book. but telogrus is physical.

    as for anima, it seems to the be baseline power of the soul, the "life" force of it, not the soul itself. it would be safe to assume that if drained of all of it, it would destroy the soul, but there's no way to know right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    Come on, that's nothing Blizzard couldn't retcon at any time if they wanted to. Besides, if the light afterlife exists, why isn't Uther there?
    Because it would be Bastion and he would have been remade already into a form we'd never recognize.

    The bigger hole there isn't whether or not the Light afterlife exists, but the fact that we've been calling upon ghosts/undead when by Shadowlands logic, some of these people should have already been remade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    telogrus is not within the void, just a heavily void corrupted section of space. all dialogue hints that it is the remains of the void corrupt titan than sargeras killed. the void most definitely has a realm, alleria travels through it several times in the audio book. but telogrus is physical.

    as for anima, it seems to the be baseline power of the soul, the "life" force of it, not the soul itself. it would be safe to assume that if drained of all of it, it would destroy the soul, but there's no way to know right now.
    Umbric's notes describe it as teetering on the very brink of the Void -- thus, it is in the Void, or very close to it. It doesn't change anything about my point that the Void is also a realm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelangel View Post
    It's really not too difficult to figure out, once you stop thinking that every plot point as spoken through the eyes of an NPC is the absolute truth and a canon statement.

    Velen's "good souls go into the light" is a statement of faith, not a statement of fact. He's a religious leader.

    Whatever hold Frostmourne had on Arthas is gone when it was destroyed. He "saw only darkness", and his 'self' was consigned to the Maw (as far as we know).

    People use vernacular terms that are not scientifically precise all the time, why must it be in video games that all terms be precise and factual?
    Well if you figured it out then please enlighten us (no pun intended) about how the afterlife and death works in WoW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    It certainly already sounds just as shit.

    Come on, that's nothing Blizzard couldn't retcon at any time if they wanted to. Besides, if the light afterlife exists, why isn't Uther there?
    We know Uther is in Bastion, which makes a degree of sense as Uther's life was all about his service (to the Light, to Lordaeron, to Arthas, to Terenas, etc. etc.) The realm of the Light may not be for deceased souls at all, either; or perhaps only those the Light pointedly selects for it. Difficult to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra the War Criminal View Post
    Umbric's notes describe it as teetering on the very brink of the Void -- thus, it is in the Void, or very close to it. It doesn't change anything about my point that the Void is also a realm.
    I'm pretty sure Telogrus is the Void-tainted world that contained the Titan World-Soul that Sargeras killed in fear and rage before he left the Pantheon and formed the Burning Legion. Its saturation with Void energies has almost merged it with the Void proper, but it's not specifically in the Void yet - more like what we see in Mac'Aree except to the Nth degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    Because it would be Bastion and he would have been remade already into a form we'd never recognize.

    The bigger hole there isn't whether or not the Light afterlife exists, but the fact that we've been calling upon ghosts/undead when by Shadowlands logic, some of these people should have already been remade.
    I don't think Bastion is really a place where many people go, to be honest - devotion to service to the level where you'd be fine with losing your individuality strikes me as a rare thing. Still, though, it remains a good question about how we call spirits and ghosts into being regardless of where they end in the Shadowlands. If souls are more or less mined for anima and/or recycled into greater beings, it would seem difficult to be able to recall them in any capacity, much less years, decades, and even centuries after their deaths.
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