Iowa Caucus 2020 - MegaThread

[kaelleria]

And because this is the fucked up timeline, the actual young person is primarily appealing to older voters and young people actively dislike him.

Not only that, but rather than a queer-coded straight villain that gets no homo'd, we get a straight-coded queer villain that gets no hetero'd.

If you'd pitched this to me as an idea for a script back in 2009, I would have called the social commentary a little too on the nose.

So if you look at the entrance polls in Iowa, Pete actually had very broad support among all age groups. He was second to Sanders among young voters, 1st among mid-aged voters and 2nd amongst old voters. He also had broad appeal across Urban, Rural, and Suburban areas...

He also beat out Biden in support amongst the admittedly small group of minority voters in Iowa.

[Jehct]

I heard that the DNC is requesting a do-over?? Is this just because Sanders won LOL

Is it just me that always forgets that Klobuchar is even there?

Klobuchar basically doesn't exist in my mind. Also blaming the DNC for a sexists shortcomings is lol.

[Blur4stuff]

I'd rather it be Pete than Biden, but man Pete has some serious issues with more likely waiting to be uncovered.

[kaelleria]

I'd rather it be Pete than Biden, but man Pete has some serious issues with more likely waiting to be uncovered.

Such as? He's gotten the most negative coverage of the campaign so far.

[kaelleria]

Lies! Everyone know that the world is out to get Bernie and everything is against him! Nobody gets more negative press coverage!!!

I'm just glad the media sorta started realizing that some of Bernie's online supporters are giant assholes.

Hopefully they start looking into more of his past... LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE MONTHS AGO.


Infracted.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Hopefully they start looking into more of his past... LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE MONTHS AGO.

How is this helpful at this point in the game?

[kaelleria]

How is this helpful at this point in the game?

What? People actually looking into candidates past after Iowa? Super helpful. The race has just started.

[matt4pack]

I'm just glad the media sorta started realizing that some of Bernie's online supporters are giant assholes.

Hopefully they start looking into more of his past... LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE MONTHS AGO.

The anti-bernie people make comments like this yet it's his supporters that are the problem. LOL

[Jehct]

The anti-bernie people make comments like this yet it's his supporters that are the problem. LOL

Well the person you are talking to isn't wrong. A lot of Brocialists are ass holes. What's wrong with looking into candidates?

[Edge-]

The anti-bernie people make comments like this yet it's his supporters that are the problem. LOL

Or, the people tired with some of his supporters bullshit. That too. It's not our problem for calling out some people for being unreasonable, conspiratorial assholes, it's their problem for being unreasonable, conspiratorial assholes.

We're not gonna turn a blind eye to this shit. That's what Republicans have done, and they've given up their morals as a result. Democrats and progressives should be better.

[Telogrus]

Klobuchar basically doesn't exist in my mind. Also blaming the DNC for a sexists shortcomings is lol.

So do you just believe everything that CNN tells you?

Imagine thinking that Bernie Sanders is a sexist

[Jehct]

So do you just believe everything that CNN tells you?

Imagine thinking that Bernie Sanders is a sexist

Imagine being told women have no chance at winning against Trump

So you are saying CNN lies?

Please illuminate what other lies you think CNN is reporting and show us all your inner Trump eh

[kaelleria]

There's a lot of evidence out there that Bernie stans are the reason Bernie ended up losing Iowa... Lots of accounts from caucus night where rude Bernie folks ended up alienating people that would have have realigned to him otherwise.

[Elegiac]

There's a lot of evidence out there that Bernie stans are the reason Bernie ended up losing Iowa... Lots of accounts from caucus night where rude Bernie folks ended up alienating people that would have have realigned to him otherwise.

Anecdotally, wouldn't surprise me. Had similar incidents with undecideds in WA back in 2016.

[Vash The Stampede]

So did Pete or Bernie win, because the news says it's a tie?

[Endus]

Such as? He's gotten the most negative coverage of the campaign so far.

Just for starters, Pete used to work for McKinsey, doing number-crunching and such that was fundamentally about manipulating customers through price changes. McKinsey, if you're don't know them, is a consulting firm that does PR and policy consulting for really, really questionable clients and reasons; they worked for Enron, for instance, before that all blew up (before Pete's time, admittedly), and Pete himself worked with Loblaws during the time they got exposed for collaborating with wholesalers to fix bread prices here in Canada. He'll get angry and lash out if you call him on this, but he doesn't actually have a defense, and in his own words, his job at the time was working out how to manipulate customer opinions/spending by manipulating pricing throughout the stores, which seems so directly related I can't take his defense as anything but bullshit.

Also, likely due to his time at McKinsey, he's very clearly well-trained in how to say a lot of words that mean absolutely fucking nothing, but seem like they mean something. Listen to him explain a policy stance; he doesn't actually explain it, and everything he says is either emotionally manipulative or weasel words. The moment you start digging through it for the details, they don't seem to exist. He's very good at saying nothing, but it's all empty promises and emotional phrasing when you try and dig beneath the surface.

Is he as bad as Trump? Nah. Definitely vote for him if he's the candidate. But there's no real reason to promote him to be that candidate. He's an empty manipulative suit, and "I'm gay!" shouldn't be enough to offset that.

[DarkTZeratul]

So did Pete or Bernie win, because the news says it's a tie?

The idea that a caucus has a single "winner" is absurd given that delegates are assigned proportionally. Doubly so when the top two candidates are virtually tied and do nothing more than cancel each other out.

[Sorshen]

https://twitter.com/Jhobfoll/status/1225752437555945473

Still a shitshow.

[kaelleria]

Just for starters, Pete used to work for McKinsey, doing number-crunching and such that was fundamentally about manipulating customers through price changes. McKinsey, if you're don't know them, is a consulting firm that does PR and policy consulting for really, really questionable clients and reasons; they worked for Enron, for instance, before that all blew up (before Pete's time, admittedly), and Pete himself worked with Loblaws during the time they got exposed for collaborating with wholesalers to fix bread prices here in Canada. He'll get angry and lash out if you call him on this, but he doesn't actually have a defense, and in his own words, his job at the time was working out how to manipulate customer opinions/spending by manipulating pricing throughout the stores, which seems so directly related I can't take his defense as anything but bullshit.

Also, likely due to his time at McKinsey, he's very clearly well-trained in how to say a lot of words that mean absolutely fucking nothing, but seem like they mean something. Listen to him explain a policy stance; he doesn't actually explain it, and everything he says is either emotionally manipulative or weasel words. The moment you start digging through it for the details, they don't seem to exist. He's very good at saying nothing, but it's all empty promises and emotional phrasing when you try and dig beneath the surface.

Is he as bad as Trump? Nah. Definitely vote for him if he's the candidate. But there's no real reason to promote him to be that candidate. He's an empty manipulative suit, and "I'm gay!" shouldn't be enough to offset that.

McKinsey came out already.... And it didn't hurt him whatsoever.

Multiple stories published in many papers and many interviews on TV. It's a dead story. McKinsey allowed Pete to release his client list... In fact some think it had the opposite effect and helped Pete with the majority of people who don't gaf about it.

Please explain why you think he's an empty suit? Do you think he lacks conviction? Do you think he lacks policies? Because I can tell you he's been saying the same thing since before he started running. His team also has released a ton of detailed plans...
https://peteforamerica.com/issues/
https://ask.peteforamerica.com

https://peteforamerica.com/toolkit/policy-printables/ for the quick read versions.

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/4/2112163...tion-primaries

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The idea that a caucus has a single "winner" is absurd given that delegates are assigned proportionally. Doubly so when the top two candidates are virtually tied and do nothing more than cancel each other out.

It's going to end up with Pete getting 13 and Bernie getting 12.

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https://twitter.com/Jhobfoll/status/1225752437555945473

Still a shitshow.

There's errors going both ways that that thread hasn't compiled...

[kaelleria]

Pete wins on delegates and Bernie wins on votes. As you say, cancel each other out. The one thing to remember is Iowa counts for 1% of the total delegates. It’s only significant because they go first. The next month should be interesting.

But the media bounce is all about the delegates. Bernie has actually retracted in polls a bit since Caucus night.