Does Nathanos deserve a redemption story?

[Lorathir]

He wouldn't want to bee redeemed, I'd reckon.

I can see his death in vein of "just do what u gotta do and pull the trigger"

[SinR]

If Admiral Taylor can get a terrible death, offscreen by some random cultist dude, then Nathanos deserves the same

[Kaleredar]

...What has he done to even hint that he has any motivation beyond being Sylvanas' literal fuckboy?

His whole schtick is the exact same as sylvanas: Encounter problem... act smarmy... have the problem written away.

Can't wait until they're both dead and we can move on to more interesting characters.

[Bwgmon]

No, he deserves to be the midboss of a dungeon.

No no, he deserves to be a quest objective.

people are asking for his death how do you know if wont be feigning death when he dies

Gin-ji Knife Set, bay-bee! (it was hilarious when it worked on Garrosh in SoO)

[matrix123mko]

Nah, dungeon boss at best. Nathanos is a stupid annoying character that needs to be put out of his misery.

This can be said about entire current Horde leadership.

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The only redemption he deserves is being repeatedly kicked in the head by a horse named Redemption.

Alliance loves giving names like that to their horses.

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Give him the fate that any lame-ass writer self-insert character deserves. Have him die off-panel in a comic book. Dude’s worse than Med’an.

I am waiting for Jaina and Thrall to die with him.

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A broken and betrayed Nathanos would leave him with open eyes to what Sylvanas was. I could see him taking a step towards teaming up with Genn and Tyrande to help them hunt Sylvanas down. Of course, they hate his guts but he's their only lead.

But this is Blizzard we're talking about. They had him standing by her side in that Horde only quest while she gave off anime villain dialogue.

He loves her. I doubt he even considered himself a part of "all".

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...What has he done to even hint that he has any motivation beyond being Sylvanas' literal fuckboy?

His whole schtick is the exact same as sylvanas: Encounter problem... act smarmy... have the problem written away.

Can't wait until they're both dead and we can move on to more interesting characters.

I guess you prefer characters like: encounter problem... cry... find out that Light gives you strength... solve the problem but have PTSD of it for your entire life.

This is what Blizzard wants to give everyone.

[Zmagoslav]

Oh gosh; 10k posts and you didn't figure out formatting yet? :S
On topic:

I see if the Horde can forgive the PC, one of the most powerful people on Azeroth, that served Sylvanas they can forgive Nathanos without giving him a trial.

Did you miss the plot point where Sylvanas outright asks the (loyalist) PC to act along with the "traitors" for the time being?
It's not that the PC was forgiven; it's that the PC behaves like he was always against her.

Remember what we saw of Nathanos working with the Horde and building relationships? Talanji. Rokhan.

Wasn't that Baine?

Eitirigg [To an extent].Gallywix.

isn't he gone with the wind?

He got along fine with all of them, especially Rokhan. Rokhan could speak sense to him and the Horde to allow Nathanos to rejoin and perhaps he could have a change of heart to be able to help the Horde by betraying Sylvanas and find her to redeem her to her former senses. Don't forget that Nathanos hesitated both to destroy Teldrassil AND Lordaeron.

Considering what we're working forward to is to strengthen the peace, and the only race we are missing are the night-elves, i very much doubt any of the Alliance or Horde leaders would consider pardoning the right-hand-man of the "public enemy nr.1".

people are asking for his death how do you know if wont be feigning death when he dies

It's easy; humans had a few fool-proof way back in the middle-ages.
- behead the corpse and put the head between the legs in the casket
- simply burn the corpse
- acid-bath

[Sithalos]

No. I fucking hate everything about his character. I hope he burns.

[Mumba]

Well, maybe? Though it wouldn't fit his character. I sort of like him since he's one of the few who doesn't treat me as royalty. The closest thing to a redemption that could be done without ruining him would be the Illidan way where he's still rather nasty, but we need him for the upcoming battle.

[Fewane]

I'd pay to see a mandatory story mission in the Shadowlands for both the Alliance and Horde with the objective of "Escort Nathanos to safety". One of those overtly long, bugged escort missions, at the end of which he could give a long monologue and walk off. >:P

But seriously, I don't think a redemption arc would fit his character. Whatever else the character has been he has always, from Vanilla onwards, been dead certain of his mission and purpose. Whether he lives or dies (or becomes a mad hermit if Sylvanas dies), keeping that element would be integral. No redemption for him!

[Super Dickmann]

Not really much to redeem. The worst the dude's done is follow Sylvanas's commands and not even the really objectionable ones like having to torch a city full of innocents. As far as 'just following orders' goes, which is the go-to Horde excuse you could make a fairly convincing case that he's less morally culpable than Sadfang. The PC is probably more evil, and more conducive to Sylvanas achieving her stupid goal than Nathanos was.

[Kaleredar]

I guess you prefer characters like: encounter problem... cry... find out that Light gives you strength... solve the problem but have PTSD of it for your entire life.

This is what Blizzard wants to give everyone.

So a character that is actually affected by and learns from their past situations who has relatable and discernible goals and motivations, instead of being nothing but a droning broken record of sardonic quips?

Yes, please. A thousand times.

Like, you could take any snippet of interstitial dialogue from Sylvanas or Nathanos from any of the past three expansion packs and not only would you probably not know which expansion it was from, you probably wouldn't be able to distinguish whether it was Nathanos or Sylvanas that said it.

[Ardenaso]

Nathanos was a human Ranger-Lord, more skilled than all the elves except for the Ranger-Generals, the Elves hated him, but Sylvanas wouldn't let him be removed from his position.

Is there any lore tidbit I can see from the Blood Elves/Silver Covenant and their opinions/encounters of him?

[Alanar]

I voted yes, because Nathanos is actually one of the few characters who stayed the same throughout the entirety of wow. Hes edgy mocking way of talking to us is something he also did in Plaguelands back in Vanilla, but they went to far with it sadly.
I don't think Nathanos is overly powerfull, no one said anything about him getting powers to besides sylvanas.

Hes had some bad writing in bfa and the armcandy thing ruined the character to ever get rid of that, but who know what they will do to him in Shadowlands besides going afther Bwonsamdi.

[Super Dickmann]

Is there any lore tidbit I can see from the Blood Elves/Silver Covenant and their opinions/encounters of him?

It's scattered. In the Shadow of the Sun alludes with the high elf guy and Lor'themar talking against his inclusion, Dark Mirror has it mentioned obliquely, and there's a reference in the old Vanilla questline:

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Quel%27Thalas_Registry

He and Bob actually had some animosity going, a shame we didn't really see much of it when they were both in Nazjatar.

[Zuben]

There was a time Nathanos had major potential for prominence, but nowadays he's damaged goods. While he still has value in other venues his status in the Forsaken is gone for good. And, frankly, the Forsaken don't need him, they have a whole lot of well-known middle-management people to rise up, such as Faranell and Belmont. I thought Sira too, but the excerpt from the upcoming book revealed she's cast her lot in with Sylvanas.

[Kwento]

Before BfA I would have said “yes”... Maybe even in the very beginning of the expansion, but now, absolutely no.
The guy is a toyboy, he could have been played to be somewhat like Jaime Lanister, a good guy warped by his love for a monster, but now all of the moments that I previously considered to be hesitations were thrown out the window. He’s a blind follower, that is all that he is.

[Ardenaso]

I mean when Nathanos was still alive. All I know is that Kael'thas, Renthar, Halduron, and Lor'themar do not like his presence.

That Quel'thalas Registry seems to imply Sylvanas hates human mages? That's weird, by the time Nathanos was her student; Rhonin was already clapping them Vereesa's cheeks. I wonder if she has a strong dislike for her sister's husband?

He and Bob actually had some animosity going, a shame we didn't really see much of it when they were both in Nazjatar.

Lor'themar and Nathanos?

[matrix123mko]

So a character that is actually affected by and learns from their past situations who has relatable and discernible goals and motivations, instead of being nothing but a droning broken record of sardonic quips?

They do not learn. They cry about their already solved(by the Light, not their small brains) problems but if they encounter similar one in the future, their approach will be identical. What changes is that every time they cry more and more.

Their motiations are indeed simple but this is not a good thing. They are as boring as local village priest.

Like, you could take any snippet of interstitial dialogue from Sylvanas or Nathanos from any of the past three expansion packs and not only would you probably not know which expansion it was from, you probably wouldn't be able to distinguish whether it was Nathanos or Sylvanas that said it.

Reminds me of Baine and his boyfriend.

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Is there any lore tidbit I can see from the Blood Elves/Silver Covenant and their opinions/encounters of him?

Kael and Halduron complained.

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It's scattered. In the Shadow of the Sun alludes with the high elf guy and Lor'themar talking against his inclusion, Dark Mirror has it mentioned obliquely, and there's a reference in the old Vanilla questline:

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Quel%27Thalas_Registry

He and Bob actually had some animosity going, a shame we didn't really see much of it when they were both in Nazjatar.

Didn't Lor'themar just envy him some banshee love?

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I voted yes, because Nathanos is actually one of the few characters who stayed the same throughout the entirety of wow. Hes edgy mocking way of talking to us is something he also did in Plaguelands back in Vanilla, but they went to far with it sadly.
I don't think Nathanos is overly powerfull, no one said anything about him getting powers to besides sylvanas.

Hes had some bad writing in bfa and the armcandy thing ruined the character to ever get rid of that, but who know what they will do to him in Shadowlands besides going afther Bwonsamdi.

I guess the book will end with him realising that Sylvanas is "evil" and she "doesn't care about him" and he will change sides.

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There was a time Nathanos had major potential for prominence, but nowadays he's damaged goods. While he still has value in other venues his status in the Forsaken is gone for good. And, frankly, the Forsaken don't need him, they have a whole lot of well-known middle-management people to rise up, such as Faranell and Belmont. I thought Sira too, but the excerpt from the upcoming book revealed she's cast her lot in with Sylvanas.

We just need to have fingers crossed on Calia dying soon or otherwise being ruled out.

[rayvio]

Nathanos has no personality. he had potential in his original appearance but even that was just an excuse for a quest to encourage world PVP. he was subsequently forgotten and then brought out of obscurity and thrust into the spotlight so fast that they forgot to actually write any character for him
he deserved better writing, but it's too late for that now

[Psykho]

No just slap him into a raid slot or at the very least make him the last boss of a questline, potentially we could get a character(like Alleria or potentially Lirath) giving him a speech that can be summed up as "what the hell does she see in you" so we can see him get sent up the wall