PC upgrade or hold until 2020 releases

[Darkorz]

Hello!

Been checking these boards lately and decided I'd just ask your opinion.
For job reasons I built two rigs back in the day, one of 'em sporting an i5 2500k coupled with a Gigabyte GTX 570 and the second being an i5 4570k with am Asus GTX 770 OCd by default. Both featured pretty similar RAMs (G Skill Ripjaws, just different Mhzs), PSUs (Corsairs RM 650 & 750) and SSD setups. Both CPUs were OCd to run at 4500Mhz, nothing too extreme, using Noctua coolers to keep 'em fine.

Now my old 2500k/570gtx couple still works well, even tho it doesn't allow me to properly run certain games on high/ultra specs. This doesn't really bother me as my personal situation changed and I barely use it since 2015/6. In the other hand, my 4670k/770gtx - which is the one I use on a daily basis nowadays - started displaying artifacts as soon as Windows finished booting last year. At this point, it's kind of unbearable and I'm forced to run any game or GPU medium-high demanding task so that the artifacts do not appear and the computer doesn't enter a crash/BSOD loop.

It really smells like the 770gtx has had it with me and it's time to replace my good ol' rig.
As an old i5-k series fan, I thought the 9600k was a goood starting point, but after a couple reads it seems that AMD has recently taken the lead.

I came up with this setup - spanish providers because I'm spanish, hehe.
My budget ranges somewhere around 1.5k +/- 200eu. I would consider pushing it to 2k if it's really worth it, but this far I've always invested 1.2 - 1.5k on my rigs and they lasted a good 5 - 7 years easily.

PCPartPicker Part List:

Budget 1:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (€183.94)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (€36.25)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME X570-P ATX AM4 Motherboard (€188.85)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€85.50)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€79.45)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card (€524.9)
Case: NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case (€78.53)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€109.90)
Total: €1287.41

Updated budget (better RAM, better CPU, high SSD capacity):
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (€192.41)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (€36.25)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME X570-P ATX AM4 Motherboard (€188.85)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (€94.82)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€149.94)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card (€524.99)
Case: NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case (€78.53)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€109.90)
Total: €1375.69

I mostly do shooters (BF5, BL3, Overwatch, etc...) and sim racing (iRacing, F1 XXXX, Project Cars, Assetto Corsa, etc..) - I'm currently considering a triples (1440 at 144 would be ace) or a VR setup for these, in case you might want to take that into account. I also do a bunch of programing, but I execute the big workloads on the cloud, so that shouldn't be an issue for my local computer.

Now I think the setup is good enough for my needs, but I'm wondering whether it's worth to pick a low budget GPU card (any of the gtx 1050/1060/1650) and just wait until summer when all the big fancy new archs and pieces are released in order to get a proper setup running. That way I could keep my 4670k/1XXX gtx setup as backup and my new summer rig for my top-notch daily stuff.

Thank you for your time!

* Edited: If I weren't having the artifacts issue I'd definitely wait until summer, it just feels awkward to drop 150 - 200 bucks now to fix an issue just to drop 1.2 - 1.5k later on summer to properly address the system update instead of tossing it all together to get better pieces overall.
I already tried fixing the artifacts - which only show when the computer is idle or performing non-GPU-intensive tasks such as watching Youtube - by updating my BIOS, reseating my GPU on a different PCI and cleaning both the CPU/GPU heatsinks with no success, it kinda looks dead and just holding by a thread at this point
* Second edit: added budget

[potis]

You dont mention your budget limit anywhere so start with that.

R5 3600 is a decent choice, its also the budget choice.

Minimum 3700X if you wanna talk proper build for 2020 to have longevity, 6 cores in 2020 is just low for "future" proofing, especially for shooters, like BFV, where extra cores are liked, which i can assume next BF also, etc.

Secondary, if you are going Ryzen, you want 3200Mhz RAM or 3600CL18, dont go for anything else.

Dont cheap out on SSD, get a 1TB, you wont regret it, every other game is 100GB nowadays.

The new stuff that are gonna come out as gonna be expensive, again, whats your budget overall, that way you can know whether to build a PC or wait 5-6 months.

[Darkorz]

You dont mention your budget limit anywhere so start with that.

R5 3600 is a decent choice, its also the budget choice.

Minimum 3700X if you wanna talk proper build for 2020 to have longevity, 6 cores in 2020 is just low for "future" proofing, especially for shooters, like BFV, where extra cores are liked, which i can assume next BF also, etc.

Secondary, if you are going Ryzen, you want 3200Mhz RAM or 3600CL18, dont go for anything else.

Dont cheap out on SSD, get a 1TB, you wont regret it, every other game is 100GB nowadays.

The new stuff that are gonna come out as gonna be expensive, again, whats your budget overall, that way you can know whether to build a PC or wait 5-6 months.

I had read about the 3200 - 3600s being pretty good on the Ryzen, I wouldn't mind pushing it to a 3700X and a couple 3200/3600 DIMMs (depending on the price difference between those, might not want to spend 200 bucks on a 5% performance improvement).
I'm definitely considering a 1TB SSD, but I also wanted to read opinions on whether NVMe is worth it or the good old 2.5" does the job just fine.

Added the budget, anywhere between 1.2 - 1.7k is fine, I'd only be pushing it up to 2k if it's extremely justified.

Thanks for your time!

[potis]

I had read about the 3200 - 3600s being pretty good on the Ryzen, I wouldn't mind pushing it to a 3700X and a couple 3200/3600 DIMMs (depending on the price difference between those, might not want to spend 200 bucks on a 5% performance improvement).
I'm definitely considering a 1TB SSD, but I also wanted to read opinions on whether NVMe is worth it or the good old 2.5" does the job just fine.

Added the budget, anywhere between 1.2 - 1.7k is fine, I'd only be pushing it up to 2k if it's extremely justified.

Thanks for your time!

For daily use, you dont need a NVME, its just bragging rights.

And no idea about spanish prices but they arent much more expensive 3200CL16/3600CL18.

[Darkorz]

Updated the budged with 3600mhz RAMs, R7 3700X and 1TB SSD.

The price is still fairly reasonable.
Are the new arch components going to go under a much higher price tag?

[durenas]

Unless it's pci-e the nvme isn't really even bragging rights. It's more of a convenience thing as you don't have to run cables to the drive.

A bit of a correction. NVMe uses the PCI Express bus. SATA3 uses the Serial ATA bus. M.2 is a socket/formfactor. You can have SATA3 or NVMe M.2 drives.

That said, we're seeing now more NVMe SSDs that are very reasonable for their capacity/price. I myself bought a 1TB SSD(Crucial P1) for 150 CAD(probably about 100 USD)

[Temp name]

Unless it's pci-e the nvme isn't really even bragging rights. It's more of a convenience thing as you don't have to run cables to the drive.

PCIE based NVMe drives are so much more expensive than M.2 based NVMe drives and offer literally no benefit though.

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No real way to tell, but there's also no reason to wait right now. There's nothing spectacular on the horizon worth waiting for.

We're getting Ryzen 4000 reveal in early summer, and probably Nvidia 3000. Maybe also Intel 10000 but it doesn't seem like that'll be worth buying.
Granted that is still 4 months away, but if you can wait, might as well.

[Kagthul]

Unless it's pci-e the nvme isn't really even bragging rights. It's more of a convenience thing as you don't have to run cables to the drive.

All NVMe is PCIe.

NVMe is not a connector or port, its a transfer protocol (over PCIe).

M.2 is a connector, and can be NVMe, AHCI, or SATA3 (sometimes all three at once depending on the board).

That said, going with M.2 can still be worth it just for reducing cable clutter, as long as its not too much more expensive.

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Yes i realized after responding that this was already covered, but im leavin it.

[Kagthul]

Great. Already discussed and acknowledged.

And you felt the need to reply, given that i said that it was already covered, why?

Oh, had to play the victim?

Off to ignore you go, troll.

[Ealyssa]

And you felt the need to reply, given that i said that it was already covered, why?

Oh, had to play the victim?

Off to ignore you go, troll.

Lol you were the one with the useless doubled response spam...
Don't copy pasta something allready said one hour earlier kido

[Kagthul]

Lol you were the one with the useless doubled response spam...
Don't copy pasta something allready said one hour earlier kido

i didn't.

I added even more information (and an opinion about getting an M.2 drive anyway) but thanks for playing, trollheim.

Maybe if you could read better than a 2nd grade level you'd have realized that.

You know what... never mind. You've never added anything useful to a conversation that i've seen. Off to ignore you go with the rest of the useless ignorant trolls.

[SigmaShift]

Buy now. Nothing over the horizon is waiting for.

Intel 9th gen is fine, and I wouldn’t wait for 10th gen. When intel does a die shrink which won’t be for awhile that’s worth it.
Ryzen 4000 isn’t a huge leap over 3000.

The Nvidia 3000 series won’t be a huge leap over the 2000.

I wouldn’t run an AMD GPU. Too many driver issues. These are my opinions.

[Temp name]

Buy now. Nothing over the horizon is waiting for.

Intel 9th gen is fine, and I wouldn’t wait for 10th gen. When intel does a die shrink which won’t be for awhile that’s worth it.
Ryzen 4000 isn’t a huge leap over 3000.

The Nvidia 3000 series won’t be a huge leap over the 2000.

I wouldn’t run an AMD GPU. Too many driver issues. These are my opinions.

Nvidia's new GPUs will be a 10-20% upgrade realistically, 30-40% if you believe the most crazed leaks

[SigmaShift]

Nvidia's new GPUs will be a 10-20% upgrade realistically, 30-40% if you believe the most crazed leaks

10-15% I'll believe. Until AMD presents some serious competition, Nvidia will hold back. The driver issues will continue to hold AMD back.

Ryzen is an amazing value proposition, but it is not, and will not be the FPS king in this generational go round. 8700k/9700k/9900k still hold that title.

[lockybalboa]

The new GPUs would probably cost a bomb like 1.5k at least

[Thunderball]

There's not going to be any 2020 releases, except for Intel 10th gen shit.

[Temp name]

10-15% I'll believe. Until AMD presents some serious competition, Nvidia will hold back. The driver issues will continue to hold AMD back.

Ryzen is an amazing value proposition, but it is not, and will not be the FPS king in this generational go round. 8700k/9700k/9900k still hold that title.

In most games. But Ryzen also isn't a GPU

[Kagthul]

Nvidia's new GPUs will be a 10-20% upgrade realistically, 30-40% if you believe the most crazed leaks

If the leaks are correct, itll be more like 25%+, just from CUDA core increases alone. The Full Fat Ampere GPU has almost twice as many CUDA cores as the Turing GPU in the same space.

So i can believe we're about to see another generation where we get a realistic 25-30% increase across the board, because of a combined die shrink + new architecture.

Not that it's going to matter too much unless AMD gets the lead out at the high end. I think we're going to see Big Navi hit and then get handily blitzed by Ampere.

[Viikkis]

Well it all depends if you can wait or not. If you can, then sure I'd go for next generation as it would give a bit longer lifetime. But there is also nothing wrong if you build a new PC right now.

[Temp name]

Not that it's going to matter too much unless AMD gets the lead out at the high end. I think we're going to see Big Navi hit and then get handily blitzed by Ampere.

Oh yeah.. AMD is going to try super hard to get their GPUs out first so the reviews look more favourable. Just look at what Intel did with their 10000 series HEDT, releasing the embargo literally 4-8 hours before the AMD 3000 series HEDT chips. AMD is going to try and do the same with their Big Navi gpus, just on the receiving end of the smackdown.

That said, I'd absolutely love if AMD had something to stand up to the 3080ti. That would be fantastic in my mind. More competition is always better for the consumer.