Why should I care about democracy?

[Wilfire]

There really isn't much difference between a democracy and an autocracy. In both a democracy and an autocracy I can speak to the "right people" to solve my problems. The only difference is the illusion of choice (come on, one vote does next to nothing to affect the outcome of an election) and the fact that there's thousands of assholes stealing money rather than one despot. I'd rather have one asshole despot bleed the country dry once and then be content with his endless billions than have an endless conveyor belt of new assholes in slim-fitting pants bleeding the country dry every couple of years.

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[Crispin]

Well the first sentence kinda said it all didnt it. I guess to short story is, that no one on this forum will be willing to go through the rather extensive ordeal of teaching some one, who does not have the slightest clue about it.

[D Luniz]

Well the first sentence kinda said it all didnt it. I guess to short story is, that no one on this forum will be willing to go through the rather extensive ordeal of teaching some one, who does not have the slightest clue about it.

if the school system couldnt teach him, and they at least had methods to force him to pay some attention

what chance do us random people typing hundreds of miles away have?

[Skroe]

There really isn't much difference between a democracy and an autocracy. In both a democracy and an autocracy I can speak to the "right people" to solve my problems. The only difference is the illusion of choice (come on, one vote does next to nothing to affect the outcome of an election) and the fact that there's thousands of assholes stealing money rather than one despot. I'd rather have one asshole despot bleed the country dry once and then be content with his endless billions than have an endless conveyor belt of new assholes in slim-fitting pants bleeding the country dry every couple of years.

After reading your posts over the years, this is a nice level of honesty.

We know some of you folks are closeted authoritarians. You were very much made to be ruled.

Most of us actual Americans are better than that though.

[Underverse]

Democracy would be good if the politicians respected the will of the people but they don't. As an example; only 14% oppose assisted suicide. Yet no political party wants to touch it except the christian democrats, who condemn it.

They have been doing their own race in several issues which only has support by a minority of the population, completely ignoring the rest.

Politicians generally do respect the will of the people. But first and foremost, their constituents, which are not all people.

In your assisted suicide example, it hasn't changed because it's not a big issue and people don't feel strongly enough about it for it to take priority over other issues. That's it. If we were seeing rallies in the streets over assisted suicide laws and 86% of people agreed with the sentiment, I guarantee you that the laws would change.

The problem with democracy more often than not is deadlock on stupid issues that your average citizen cares about, but shouldn't (for example: abortion). This forces politicians to focus on things that are ultimately a waste of everyone's time. But this is indirectly an outcome of politicians respecting the will of the people extremely faithfully, not the other way around.

[kail]

You don't have to, that's the beauty of democracy!

[Orbitus]

Oh I assumed you were talking about US politics I have absolutely no clue about swedish politics to even try and give an opinion.

This might be an extremely stupid question, but most EU countries are the size of US states. How difficult is it to move in between countries if you wanted to? Say for a new job or just cuz you are tired of the shit you describe and wanted to change up life?

Just FYI what the Sweden Democrats actually are and who you are talking to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats

He claims they aren't fascist and still rooted with their Nazi past, they haven't changed. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-...anged/10238482

[GreenJesus]

At least with democracy you have some legal recourse to get those people out. Autocratic government you would need to have a full on revolution where many would die. I find it hilarious you actually believe the people have more power in an autocracy. Thanks for showing your true colors.

[jeezusisacasual]

Because instead of sitting in the pants you pissed in you get the chance to change them.

[Orbitus]

lol... i think you might need a lecture in what nazism and fascism is... they are more leftwing than your democratic party in the us...

LOL you are fucking delusional. Fascism is an EXTREME RIGHT WING ideology.

https://miro.medium.com/max/800/1*vh...5zMZjgHFg.jpeg

To help you out since you don't know shit.

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There's nothing nazi or fascist about controlling immigration. Stop engaging in hysteria. The Social Democrats have historically restricted it much more than they want to restrict it.

Check the 2nd link. The party hasn't changed. That may be from 2018, but in a year and a half, your party hasn't changed.

[Orbitus]

Controlling immigration still isn't nazism or fascism.

Whatever you say.

[draynay]

Controlling immigration still isn't nazism or fascism.

Papers, please.

[Orbitus]

i dont care what you think about them lol... they are more leftwing than your democratic party... they want to re-establish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folkhemmet which was the social democratic ideal society...

they have more in common with the social democrats than the parties on the right...

So, no matter what evidence, you are going to say something that isn't reality?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.

I will go with wikipedia over someone that says this kind of shit like "I don't care what you think about them", without evidence to back up your position.

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Only hysterical people think it's nazism or fascism to control immigration.

Did I say it was only about controlling immigration? Nope, but that party hasn't changed from it's roots from what the ABC article states.

[Endus]

wikipedia doesn't say they are fascist lol...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats

"The party has its roots in Swedish fascism and was primarily a white nationalist movement through the early-1990s."


Plus, regarding your nonsense claims that they're "left-wing", read your own quote. They're nationalist conservatives; right-wingers.

[Endus]

so? by that logic the social democrats are marxists because their roots is in it... vp are communists because that's their roots...

You're wondering why they get called fascists? Because their origins are fascist, and despite claiming to no longer support it, nationalist conservativism is so close to fascism as to be nearly indistinguishable.

more leftwing than the democratic party in the us if you can read...

You've provided nothing to back that up. Nationalist conservitivism puts them significantly further right.

[Endus]

lol... look what folkhemmet is... thats what they want to re-establish, people in the us would scream communism if any party was to implement that there...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folkhemmet

"Sometimes referred to as "the Swedish Middle Way", folkhemmet was viewed as midway between capitalism and socialism."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

"Roger Eatwell defines fascism as "an ideology that strives to forge social rebirth based on a holistic-national radical Third Way"
"A number of post-World War II fascist movements described themselves as a "third position" outside the traditional political spectrum."

Can we admit the similarities, yet?

[Lotharis]

After reading your posts over the years, this is a nice level of honesty.

We know some of you folks are closeted authoritarians. You were very much made to be ruled.

Most of us actual Americans are better than that though.

LOL. Americans are a laughing stock globally right now.

[Wilfire]

Because instead of sitting in the pants you pissed in you get the chance to change them.

Ok smart guy, if you like democracy so much then prove it to me by voting Trump out of the office this year. If you can't do that, I'm just going to keep assuming that democracy is authoritarianism with extra steps to keep the people complacent and a larger number of assholes in suits stealing money.

[Flarelaine]

Oh I assumed you were talking about US politics I have absolutely no clue about swedish politics to even try and give an opinion.

This might be an extremely stupid question, but most EU countries are the size of US states. How difficult is it to move in between countries if you wanted to? Say for a new job or just cuz you are tired of the shit you describe and wanted to change up life?

Legally, there is no obstacle. Freedom of movement is a fundamental pillar of the EU. There may be practical problems like language barriers, though.

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Visiting both WoW and political sections of MMO-C, I'm always amused by finding overlaps. A support for autocrats can apply in both worlds, it seems.

[Skroe]

People react to this with ridicule while it actually poses one of the great dangers of our time.

The more neoliberals keep pushing the idea that the declining modern society has personal freedom as it's basis the realer the danger becomes of more and more people blaming liberty for the root cause of all misery they experience.

Celebrating personal liberty while life is getting worse for 90% of the populace is a direct corruption of democracy.

The European Union says hi, toots. The most neoliberally project there is, is one of the most important proponents of liberal democracy in the world.

You’re honestly one of the most politically-philosophically confused people in the forum. It’s fascinating to see. But I guess it was an inevitable Milroy. After 20 years of neocon coming to mean “thing I disapprove of”, I suppose it was inevitable neoliberal came to mean the same.

What a crock of shit.