I think most of them WOULD have gone to Sanders but after CNN threw a grenade into the middle of her campaign and turned his supporters against Warren, NOW I don't think they will.
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I cannot tell you how infuriating it always is to see the boring candidates try and say we need to poach Republicans.
No, you need to drive people who feel the need to sit out of the election to show up and vote. And you do that by having a real progressive agenda that excites people with things they actually want to happen.
Bad signs for Bernie here honestly. Warren's campaign collapsed and her voters did not immediately go to Bernie, and to top it off he's majorly underperforming outside of his core demographic of College-educated 18-30 year olds.
He's on track to win the popular vote and lose the nomination.... again.
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Honestly I think the safe route is the only winning route. Trump's numbers are static. He'll get 40%, Dems will get their 40%. That remaining 10% will decide the election.
Sanders is toxic to that 10%. You put a Socialist and a Fascist on the ballot. You put a 2nd term of Trump and a 1st term of Sanders on the ballot. The result is a legendary dismantling of the Democratic Party.
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I really don't get your position here. Sanders is clearly left of Warren, who is slightly right of Sanders, and both are fairly left to the usual Democratic pickings. And by "left" we're not talking about "where they are on the spectrum" which is a weird translation you're using there IMO, but where their policies place them on the spectrum. And they are by-and-large much closer to each other while the others remain largely "lets get back to the status quo and no rock the boat" Democrats.
Their positions ARE fairly close. It's logical that if one were to be removed, some measure of their support would fall to their other. It is unreasonable to assume that the entirety of their support would vanish or go to candidates who are more distant from their positions.
Human progress isn't measured by industry. It's measured by the value you place on a life.
Just, be kind.
No one else is leaving the race yet.
Still have 48 states and then some to go.
That's also a factor.
This whole progressive lane thing is a conundrum the Bernie Bros have yet to fully figure out. Sanders has made his name on being the lone progressive underdog in a sea of neoliberals, which furnishes the narrative that anyone who doesn't support Bernie isn't really progressive. Enter Elizabeth Warren, the existence of whose campaign threatens that narrative because it broadcasts that not every progressive is a Bernie Bro.
You'd think that this would be cause for celebration in terms of there being an untapped base of progressive voters, but doing so would involve prioritising the movement over the man - and as said, Sanders' most fervent base of support is a cult of personality. So they have to construct purity tests and do everything in their power to expose the "truth" that Elizabeth Warren is a bad person and a secret Republican, and that her supporters aren't actually progressive, etc.
They just can't seem to comprehend a reality in which ideological adherence isn't the sole factor in determining who you support.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
Yeah I get a little cheesed at my folks fairly easily (as older retired white, wealthy democrats) who talk about picking up Republicans. I immediately start listing out which Democratic platforms they suggest we cut back on. LGBT rights? Increased wages? Worker protections? Fair taxes? Because that's all picking up Republicans amounts to, because their policies are so unimaginably right of everything, that the only way to pick them up is to sacrifice everything that makes us Democrats, and then at that point, why aren't we running Republican???
Human progress isn't measured by industry. It's measured by the value you place on a life.
Just, be kind.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
That...has nothing to do with anything. You're arguing that Warren isn't acting as a spoiler for Bernie when they clearly share very similar positions. It's simple math, if Warren drops some of her supporters will go to Sanders. Some will go elsewhere. It is unreasonable to assume that they are mutually exclusive.
Human progress isn't measured by industry. It's measured by the value you place on a life.
Just, be kind.
I hope Warren drops to prevent that, but I am not entirely sure. She has proven she will gladly play dirty as evidenced by her stuff with the accusation. And she will gladly play politics to get what she wants as evidenced by her flip flopping when she thought it would help her and her neutrality during the 2016 election when Sanders would have been her natural endorsement.
So not sure if she would step down to prevent it or cling on. Which she does goes to prove to us whether she is genuine in her policies or if she is just wanting power.
With Biden, if he drops, I agree with you.
Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
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I actually disagree, I think most Sanders supporters had no problem with Warren and saw her as a dog in the same ideological fights with Sanders. Early on I saw so many progressive people in the media and online talk about how she was their 2nd pick and/or she should be part of Sanders' cabinet if she lost.
But CNN intentionally sabotaged what seemed to be a political friendship to get clicks and now the rank and file Sanders supporters seem to hate her more than almost anybody else because she gets framed as a backstabber or a betrayer. I hate the whole fucking narrative about this conversation that the two had about this "Women can't be President" conversation. If Warren really wanted to use that against him she would have done so way before she became the front runner. It makes no sense whatsoever that she would have launched that when she was at the top of the field.
She got the blame for a dishonest actor in CNN throwing a grenade into the race to make news instead of the actual news organization who inflamed a fight over a private conversation. And its infuriating that even though she's repeatedly talked about how she likes Bernie and supports his agenda in almost every way but is now seen as a snake or "plays dirty" as the poster above me just said when it was CNN who are the ones who pulled this stunt.
This is more a question if you think voters didn't like Hillary for her corporate moderate-ness, or because she had 30 years of Republican phony investigations into her that tarnished her likability.
I'd say it's probably more of the latter (with other mistakes like ignoring the blue wall, etc), than the former. Most voters in this country ARE MODERATES. You present a boring, moderate Dem as opposed to Trump, there's gonna be voters in the middle who've felt left behind who might vote for that person. The mythical Independent vote, so to speak.
CNN tried to fuck them both with this drama. They're gonna support the corporate hack that is Buttigieg now, cause Biden seems to be donezo ... by his own hand.