Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Blur4stuff]

Even if everyone agreed there should be a wall across the entire border it would still take decades to finish. But, we all know most people don't support the wall. It's only popular with some republicans. Everyone else realizes it's pointless regarding immigration and a waste of money.

You'd need someone to hold power for another 20+ years that's not only racist but really stupid to keep going through with it.

There will be no wall across the entire border. This is one of the biggest campaign false promises ever made. It's right up there with "read my lips no new taxes". Of course, if you're a Trump supporter then you're familiar with these kinds of lies considering he also promised something better and cheaper than Obamacare.

[derpkitteh]

Or just don't put it up to begin with, but why go with that obvious smart logic when you can go with a "when it's built you won't want to spend it to take it down" "smart" logic?

Also, considering the wind will tear down all of it it's not going to cost a dime to take it down anyhow. Also, I thought Mexico was supposed to pay for it? If they did then all the money we would have spent putting it up would be spent taking it down.

Look at that, only took me a minute to find a few flaws in your idea.

Again, it'll easily cost $100 billion to build and billions a year to keep up, no reason to spend that on something that won't even come close to stopping a fifth of what it wants to stop.

i don't particularly care if the wall goes up or not, other than not wanting it to interfere with wildlife.

immigration, but legal and illegal, can be slowed or outright stopped by other means.

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Damn thing's gonna cost Billions to go up and Billions to keep maintained and staffed. We'd save money not having the stupid thing in the first place.

i suppose it would cost a lot to maintain. so a hit to take it down wouldn't be that bad compared to leaving it up.

you can't really just let something like that decay, i don't think.

[Redwyrm]

Well according to Trump (and probably believed by his supporters) the wall is being built currently and about 50%-90% completed

[zorkuus]

Well according to Trump (and probably believed by his supporters) the wall is being built currently and about 50%-90% completed

That's true, if you believe the border is only a dozen miles long.

[Redwyrm]

That's true, if you believe the border is only a dozen miles long.

Republicans currently believe Trump walks on water so anything is possible. And it's not that Trump is a great salesman (he sucks at it actually) it's either that his base is either REALLY guillable or don't care and are just nodding out of reflex to whatever he says.

[Dontrike]

i don't particularly care if the wall goes up or not, other than not wanting it to interfere with wildlife.

immigration, but legal and illegal, can be slowed or outright stopped by other means.

Oh yeah, you came up with that totally not insane landmine idea. Now outside of that how do you stop all immigration. I'd love to hear it.

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Well according to Trump (and probably believed by his supporters) the wall is being built currently and about 50%-90% completed

They also believe that DeMZ!!! have stop it from being built at all while also saying it's been 100% built. Their brains shift reality with every bit of logic that comes their way.

[Zaydin]

if the wall were to actually get built, would y'all be willing to have the money spent to take it down?

i don't think it'd be worth the money, except maybe to make openings here and there for wildlife migrations.

We'd save money tearing the damn thing down given how much maintaining the monument to racism will cost.

[derpkitteh]

We'd save money tearing the damn thing down given how much maintaining the monument to racism will cost.

it's not racism. mexicans are just a branch of white people.

it's maintaining your country, which is something the world used to understand. if you're not born here, you don't have a right to be here, and you certainly shouldn't have access to our social systems.

[Kiri]

it's not racism. mexicans are just a branch of white people.

it's maintaining your country, which is something the world used to understand. if you're not born here, you don't have a right to be here, and you certainly shouldn't have access to our social systems.

Tbh, the world rarely ever truly understood that, bar extreme cases of xenophobia in history. For most of it, you had less restrictions than you have today, especially since countries often actively sought to acquire more land and people. Even the Romans, who famously built some big walls, were creating a big empire incorporating non-Roman people, imported them from elsewhere and weren't that upset at people coming in unless they were roving bands of bandits. Same for the Chinese and their Great Wall. That one wasn't put up to keep small groups of people out (in fact, immigration that way was barely lessened). That sort of stuff was built to keep out organized warbands and armies, like most smaller walls as well.

The biggest issue for countries in the past was not the drip-feed of immigration, it was infighting within the country or being drawn into war with other countries. Ironically, one half of the country outright antagonizing the other over needing a pointless wall is probably way more harmful to the US than any immigration it could possible stop.

[Wyrt]

it's not racism. mexicans are just a branch of white people.

it's maintaining your country, which is something the world used to understand. if you're not born here, you don't have a right to be here, and you certainly shouldn't have access to our social systems.

Um, what? Mexicans are largely Native American with some European ancestry mixed in there.

[PACOX]

Um, what? Mexicans are largely Native American with some European ancestry mixed in there.

She wasn't even close.

indigenous cultures + [European (Spanish) + African + Asian].

[Dontrike]

it's not racism. mexicans are just a branch of white people.

it's maintaining your country, which is something the world used to understand. if you're not born here, you don't have a right to be here, and you certainly shouldn't have access to our social systems.

Which is weird as the only reason most of us are here is because someone else wasn't born here, but I guess NOW you can't do that. Weird how 80+ years ago it was far easier to get into this country legally than it is now and back then racism was far more obvious against the Chinese, Irish, and more.

The fact you think the wall would fix anything shows you're quite ignorant of the actual issues of immigration.

[Cizr]

it's not racism. mexicans are just a branch of white people.

it's maintaining your country, which is something the world used to understand. if you're not born here, you don't have a right to be here, and you certainly shouldn't have access to our social systems.

Even if they are not white wanting to secure borders is not racist. When someone keeps breaking into your home and you want to secure it you dont give a fuck what skin colour they are. Same stuff with ICE. People love to call them racist but if you are illegal in USA they will treat you the same and it does not matter if you are brown, white or purple.

Ofcourse democrats know that its not racist. They just like saying it is because they want to shame you for wanting secure borders. They actually wants more immigrants (legal or not) so that they can turn them into more democrat voters.

[Belize]

if the wall were to actually get built, would y'all be willing to have the money spent to take it down?

i don't think it'd be worth the money, except maybe to make openings here and there for wildlife migrations.

Just let the wind tip it over, and let nature erode it.

Like has already happened.

[Draco-Onis]

Even if they are not white wanting to secure borders is not racist. When someone keeps breaking into your home and you want to secure it you dont give a fuck what skin colour they are. Same stuff with ICE. People love to call them racist but if you are illegal in USA they will treat you the same and it does not matter if you are brown, white or purple.

Ofcourse democrats know that its not racist. They just like saying it is because they want to shame you for wanting secure borders. They actually wants more immigrants (legal or not) so that they can turn them into more democrat voters.

Or maybe because a wall in 2020 is as dumb as fuck? or the rhetoric and the people behind it are openly racist?

[Pannonian]

it's not racism. mexicans are just a branch of white people.

it's maintaining your country, which is something the world used to understand. if you're not born here, you don't have a right to be here, and you certainly shouldn't have access to our social systems.

That's the same argument as: "Science has proven there are no human races, so there cannot be any racism."

The thing is though, if a person perceives a group of people as a race and attributes to them specific characteristics, the person is nonetheless racist. The fact it has no ground in science doesn't make the argument magically non-racist; it only adds to its stupidity.

[Spectral]

Which is weird as the only reason most of us are here is because someone else wasn't born here, but I guess NOW you can't do that. Weird how 80+ years ago it was far easier to get into this country legally than it is now and back then racism was far more obvious against the Chinese, Irish, and more.

The fact you think the wall would fix anything shows you're quite ignorant of the actual issues of immigration.

Immigration law in the 80 years ago range was characterized by things like the Immigration Act of 1924 (active until the '50s):

The 1924 act supplanted earlier acts to effectively ban all immigration from Asia[1][2] and set a total immigration quota of 165,000 for countries outside the Western Hemisphere, an 80% reduction from the pre-World War I average.[1] Quotas for specific countries were based on 2% of the U.S. population from that country as recorded in 1890.[2] As a result, populations poorly represented in 1890 were prevented from immigrating in proportionate numbers—especially affecting Italians, Jews, Greeks, Poles and other Slavs.[1][3][4] According to the U.S. Department of State Office of the Historian, the purpose of the act was "to preserve the ideal of U.S. homogeneity."[2] Congressional opposition was minimal.

No, it was not easier for most people to move here 80 years ago.

[Dontrike]

Same stuff with ICE. People love to call them racist but if you are illegal in USA they will treat you the same and it does not matter if you are brown, white or purple.

Except they've been targeting legal residents just because of their skin color, holding them for days or even weeks because they happen to be from somewhere else but the are legal citizens, so you can sit on it.

[Breccia]

Except they've been targeting legal residents just because of their skin color, holding them for days or even weeks because they happen to be from somewhere else but the are legal citizens, so you can sit on it.

Also, ICE has been caught arresting immigrants who were at court trying to become legal.

In other words, in addition to being racist, they're also going out of their way to make the problem worse. Hey, remember when Trump said he'd throw out all the violent drug-using rapist felon immigrants? This isn't what he promised. This is something else.

[Grapemask]

it's not racism. mexicans are just a branch of white people.

it's maintaining your country, which is something the world used to understand. if you're not born here, you don't have a right to be here, and you certainly shouldn't have access to our social systems.

It's a bizarre argument that abhorrent behavior becomes good simply because you've reasoned it out of one particular category. I didn't steal a car, I stole a forklift. God, get it right!