How does the twisting nether transcending all realities work with time travel?

[Candy Cough]

Since the titans are busy guarding Sargeras, that means that the titans never go to Azeroth and create the titanforged to stop the old gods which should in practice mean that every single reality besides our own, Azeroth is destroyed by the hour of twilight?

The sundering never happens since Sargeras never gets to contact Azshara so that means if the old gods are somehow defeated the kaldorei empire rules forever??

[Syegfryed]

As Araki sensei, the Jojo guy, once said: "it just works"

[Newname1234567890]

Since the titans are busy guarding Sargeras, that means that the titans never go to Azeroth and create the titanforged to stop the old gods which should in practice mean that every single reality besides our own, Azeroth is destroyed by the hour of twilight?

The sundering never happens since Sargeras never gets to contact Azshara so that means if the old gods are somehow defeated the kaldorei empire rules forever??

But they're guarding him after we stopped the hour of twilight etc?

[Segus1992]

You'll be much happier with the story in WoW if you don't analyze it. It's primarily to serve the gameplay and to be easily understood. Time travel and alternate universes are always a crutch to rescue the writers out of a pit (unless the story is entirely focused on those elements, like Back to the Future). The writers want you to ignore the implications of their existence.

[nerv234]

About all that "transcending thing" Why we don't see another Archimonde for example, after all he wasn't born demon, he became one so why we don't see another version where he isn't demon? So many unanswered questions...

[Jaggler]

Since the titans are busy guarding Sargeras, that means that the titans never go to Azeroth and create the titanforged to stop the old gods which should in practice mean that every single reality besides our own, Azeroth is destroyed by the hour of twilight?

The sundering never happens since Sargeras never gets to contact Azshara so that means if the old gods are somehow defeated the kaldorei empire rules forever??

That whole thing is probably the biggest lore fuckup in all of the WoD-era (which is saying a lot).

[Candy Cough]

About all that "transcending thing" Why we don't see another Archimonde for example, after all he wasn't born demon, he became one so why we don't see another version where he isn't demon? So many unanswered questions...

Speaking of which, no one is born a demon. You become a demon by consuming fel magic, sort of how like you become a crack baby if your parents do heroine

[Segus1992]

About all that "transcending thing" Why we don't see another Archimonde for example, after all he wasn't born demon, he became one so why we don't see another version where he isn't demon? So many unanswered questions...

Speaking of which, no one is born a demon. You become a demon by consuming fel magic, sort of how like you become a crack baby if your parents do heroine

Easy: all other versions of you die when you decide to become a demon.

[Zantos]

I view it like the anime dragon ball z. Multiple timelines. Each has its own, separate path and outcome due to interference from the outside. This means that what happens in one does not happen in the other, nor is it reflected upon it. Each timeline has its own titans, old gods, ect.. They may follow our path, our a different one.

I view the twisting nether as transcending all realities more or less a thing that happens no matter what in all timelines and realities. Just like the cycles of day and night. So, while mankrirks wife might survive in one time line, and die in another, there will still be a day and night regardless. More or less just a fact that transcends all times and is held true in any of them.

[FelPlague]

Speaking of which, no one is born a demon. You become a demon by consuming fel magic, sort of how like you become a crack baby if your parents do heroine

There is a funny theory actually.

Demons are naturally weak, but when the same person becomes a demon in multiple realities, they are both sent to the nether. But they are not 2 people they are 1. So their power becomes stronger and stronger. So the most powerful demons are those who exist in more realities. Saying that for example kiljaden and archimondr become demons in the most realities.

[Vampyr78]

It just doesn't make sense. They just made this up in order to have a segway to kick start Legion.

[Lyssander]

I'm pretty sure it was confirmed that we live in a prime timeline - meaning that all other timelines are just possibilities and don't actually exist as concrete dimensions/planes. Even if branching from the prime timeline occurs, without powerful magical support system it inevitably collapses. That means that all the timelines where light/scourge/void/burning legion or whatever won does not matter, since they don't exist anymore or will soon cease to exist.

[huth]

Since the titans are busy guarding Sargeras, that means that the titans never go to Azeroth and create the titanforged to stop the old gods which should in practice mean that every single reality besides our own, Azeroth is destroyed by the hour of twilight?

The sundering never happens since Sargeras never gets to contact Azshara so that means if the old gods are somehow defeated the kaldorei empire rules forever??

There's a single permanently stable timeline. Offshoots like you describe happen, but collapse, usually fairly quickly. The Legion also specificially targeted places that could have lead to more stable offshoots since that would make their work harder.

Speaking of which, no one is born a demon. You become a demon by consuming fel magic, sort of how like you become a crack baby if your parents do heroine

Some types of demon are so naturally. Mostly ones that originate from the Twisting Nether.

Easy: all other versions of you die when you decide to become a demon.

Easier: Nothing happens to them. Travelling to other timelines is hard, and most of them collapse before anybody even tries, so interactions with their denizens are extremely unlikely. WoD also proves that your idea is incorrect, since we've had the "same" person ascend to demonhood twice. They just become two seperate demons.


Most of this just betrays that few people actually know the lore behind timetravel in WoW. It actually makes fairly good sense with the clarifications after WoD.

[Aucald]

"Chronicle Vol. 3" more or less closed the paradoxical plot-holes that WoD opened up as concerns demons, the Nether, multiple universes/timelines, etc. etc. The Nether is no longer transcendent over all realities anymore, it's just a dimension within the primary timeline's cosmos, and all the other non-primary timelines or universes are ephemeral constructs with very limited scope and overall lifetime, collapsing back into inert nonexistence when their time is done. The only exception to this general rule is the WoD timeline, which was tampered with via the Vision of Time and Kairozdormu's meddling, permitted to remain extant far longer than would be normal for a divergent timeline. The Legion, like anyone else capable of utilizing the connection between the primary timeline and this new altered AU timeline, could jump into WoD's universe to take advantage of its resources. Any "duplicates" who become demons in this timeline would remain a duplicate demon (e.g. Socrethar) and not coalesce or otherwise replace their previous self. They're essentially independent selves with different histories as a result of the tampering and in some cases the very nature of the AU before it was tampered with (such as Rulkan being alive, or Garrosh not being born, etc. etc.)

With AU timelines now temporary and in a constant state of collapse, there's no reason for the Legion to bother with them and they probably don't contain Titan World-Souls that the Void or the Pantheon could utilize (since the universe would collapse well before any such World-Soul could finish gestating). They remain virtual palimpsests no one really need bother with.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I could be wrong but I think in the illidan book it says the other realities are always there but it’s like looking though a sealed window so the legion doesn’t care about them until some one cracks open the window then they go in and deal with it.

[Piamonte]

Since the titans are busy guarding Sargeras, that means that the titans never go to Azeroth and create the titanforged to stop the old gods which should in practice mean that every single reality besides our own, Azeroth is destroyed by the hour of twilight?

The sundering never happens since Sargeras never gets to contact Azshara so that means if the old gods are somehow defeated the kaldorei empire rules forever??

i would answer you, but i dont understand your point. Could you be a little more specific??.

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About all that "transcending thing" Why we don't see another Archimonde for example, after all he wasn't born demon, he became one so why we don't see another version where he isn't demon? So many unanswered questions...

i think that every single archimonde in every single timeline has to become a demon in order for everything to work.

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There is a funny theory actually.

Demons are naturally weak, but when the same person becomes a demon in multiple realities, they are both sent to the nether. But they are not 2 people they are 1. So their power becomes stronger and stronger. So the most powerful demons are those who exist in more realities. Saying that for example kiljaden and archimondr become demons in the most realities.

archimonde and kiljaeden are powerful because they come for an enlightened race of mages. They were already powerful even before becoming demons.

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There's a single permanently stable timeline. Offshoots like you describe happen, but collapse, usually fairly quickly. The Legion also specificially targeted places that could have lead to more stable offshoots since that would make their work harder.



Some types of demon are so naturally. Mostly ones that originate from the Twisting Nether.



Easier: Nothing happens to them. Travelling to other timelines is hard, and most of them collapse before anybody even tries, so interactions with their denizens are extremely unlikely. WoD also proves that your idea is incorrect, since we've had the "same" person ascend to demonhood twice. They just become two seperate demons.


Most of this just betrays that few people actually know the lore behind timetravel in WoW. It actually makes fairly good sense with the clarifications after WoD.

only nathrezim are natural demons.

both socrethar become 1 in the twisting nether i suppose.

[derpkitteh]

Speaking of which, no one is born a demon. You become a demon by consuming fel magic, sort of how like you become a crack baby if your parents do heroine

some beings are born demons, like nathrezim.

as for the others, nobody knows how they work. exarch othaar became socrethar both in the main universe, and in the AU. he was not killed in the nether in the main universe(i don't think), yet he was made again in AU. personally, i think people that AU people, since AU's are very fleeting and don't actually exist for long periods of time, probably flow back into the main demon soul upon transforming.

i feel like AU souls in general are not entirely existent. they're probably a weaker expression of anima until given permanence by the main universe fucking with that specific AU.

and as for the nether's connection to all realities, it's because the nether is basically what exists between all other realities' borders. when you see a picture trying to conceptualize multiverses and such, there's always space between each universe, the nether is that space.

[Nero Duskwind]

There is a funny theory actually.

Demons are naturally weak, but when the same person becomes a demon in multiple realities, they are both sent to the nether. But they are not 2 people they are 1. So their power becomes stronger and stronger. So the most powerful demons are those who exist in more realities. Saying that for example kiljaden and archimondr become demons in the most realities.

That is an interesting theory. An infinitude of individuals and, the more instances of that person awaken their demonhood, the greater the strength due to the amount of convergence. It makes a lot more sense of their inherent need to corrupt everything they come in contact with; They're hoping to grow their strength by running into alternate selves that have yet to be awakened.

[derpkitteh]

That is an interesting theory. An infinitude of individuals and, the more instances of that person awaken their demonhood, the greater the strength due to the amount of convergence. It makes a lot more sense of their inherent need to corrupt everything they come in contact with; They're hoping to grow their strength by running into alternate selves that have yet to be awakened.

i think someone said somewhere that sargeras or the legion wasn't fond of alternate timelines, but i can't remember where or what actually said it or if it was said. i remember something about the legion and alternates being said for sure.

[TheFirstOnes]

There is a funny theory actually.

Demons are naturally weak, but when the same person becomes a demon in multiple realities, they are both sent to the nether. But they are not 2 people they are 1. So their power becomes stronger and stronger. So the most powerful demons are those who exist in more realities. Saying that for example kiljaden and archimondr become demons in the most realities.

Pretty certain there's only 1 Archimonde and KJ post-Fel amp.