Should Lor'themar stand up for the imprisoned blood elves?

[Beloren]

I saw orcs leading Sylvanas loyalists in chains in Orgrimmar, and I noticed some of them were blood elf. It seemed ... out of place. I had a sense that if anyone should be handling Belf dissidents or Sylvanas loyalists, it should be the blood elves. Lor'themar should be insisting they take their own and punish them according to their own customs.

Let's also bear in mind that Lor'themar himself switched loyalties near the end, and supposedly more and more were joining the rebels.. who's to say some of those on the other side of Orgrimmar, would not have joined later?

Also do we know what qualifies as a Sylvanas loyalist exactly? I assume not everyone who was on her side of the wall at the confrontation with Saurfang outside Orgrimmar is being punished.

[Aucald]

Lor'themar is a member in high standing of the Horde's current leadership structure or council, so I'd say he gave the general police force in Orgrimmar effective permission to round up and incarcerate those Blood Elves who were non-repentant loyalists of the newly ousted regime of Sylvanas. I would say the racial leaders will likely eventually stand in judgment of each of these loyalists - with Lor'themar determining the final punishments for those Blood Elves who continue to support Sylvanas.

[formerShandalay]

Liadrin is also running around rounding up Sylvanas loyalists, she even has a Spellbreaker (or at least a unit that looks like that) squad with her in Orgrimmar. She's doing most of the rounding up.
So my guess was it's a combined effort of all forces at the order of the new leaders, now the council and everyone gets sentenced the same. So Lorthemar is going to have a say in it anyway. I can't imagine he's going to be very lenient about it, especially in the case of the blood elves.

[allawyn]

Where in the game was this?

[Aucald]

Where in the game was this?

Vignettes happen randomly all around Orgrimmar post-8.2.5. If you stay in the Orgrimmar portal room for a time you'll encounter some loyalist prisoners being taken elsewhere, as well as chain-gang like convoys of prisoners being incarcerated randomly in and around the Valley of Strength.

[allawyn]

Thanks for the info.

[Trumpcat]

A Horde leader standing up for anything? Please...

Their role is to agree with the Warchief, not standing up for things.

We will see now with the Council if there will be any change, but I give it up to the expansion after Shadowlands for the Horde to have their next mass murder.

[Reinhart11]

Where does it say that more and more joined the rebels? Didn't look like that before the Mak'gora to me at all. And after retard Sylvanas showed her loyalist the middle finger in the most idiotic way ever, there weren't really more loyalists. And if there were, it wouldn't have made sense for them to say that openly(unless they're gigantic idiots). The whole depiction and story is as non sensical as the rest of the story in BfA.

[Beloren]

It's ridiculous he ever supported her, you'd think the Blood Elves of all people would take issue with an evil, maniacal undead force rampaging around destroying cities

Do you think probably becuase originally Sylvanas was written to be right about all her actions, the overwhelming player negativity altered the storyline

[Makabreska]

Do you think probably becuase originally Sylvanas was written to be right about all her actions, the overwhelming player negativity altered the storyline

But she wasn't originally written like that. Player negativity made Blizz change story, so she burned down Teldrassil? No "Old Gods did it" or "hidden azerite veins"? It makes no sense. Also, during beta, her order to sack Brennadam was something like "kill all, all will serve", only to be changed after the negative reaction for something having strategic explanation. So that contradicts your theory.

[derpkitteh]

you can see that liadrin and cadre of blood knights patrol the city, no doubt at lor'themar's behest.

i don't see a problem with him relegating their prison sentences to orgrimmar's justice system.

[Caerule]

Lor'themar in Nazjatar makes it clear that he will inform his people that he's throwing in with Saurfang and Thrall's rebellion, so all of these Blood Elves were well informed of that decision. If they didn't follow their leader then, and refused to submit and renounce her when she left, they deserve their chains.

Why would Lor'themar stand up for those that betrayed him, and choose to remain faithful to Sylvanas in the wake of her departure?

[Ielenia]

It's ridiculous he ever supported her, you'd think the Blood Elves of all people would take issue with an evil, maniacal undead force rampaging around destroying cities

I'm going to chalk it up to the "meh, I don't care as long as it doesn't happen to me" mentality.

Which just so happens to be the very same mentality the elves had, back when they withdrew from the Alliance and sent only token effort for the war... until the Horde invaded Silvermoon land.

[Aeula]

He’ll do what Warchief/High King/Chairman Baine tells him to like the little bitch he is.

[GreenJesus]

I dont get it... the entire Horde supported her for most of the expansion. They would basically have to jail everyone right? The common people all supported what she did until blizzard made her say "REEE HORDE SUCKS LUL"

[Mehrunes]

I dont get it... the entire Horde supported her for most of the expansion. They would basically have to jail everyone right? The common people all supported what she did until blizzard made her say "REEE HORDE SUCKS LUL"

Probably why they are already redoing the "Horde needs to find itself" story already in the Shadowlands' book.

[Maljinwo]

Do you think probably becuase originally Sylvanas was written to be right about all her actions

I mean, the parallels between her and Arthas were pretty clear

Unless genocide is a good thing somehow

[Kathranis]

the entire Horde supported her for most of the expansion

How much dialogue did we get with "the entire Horde," exactly? I don't recall "the common people" having much of a role in this story.

[Kumorii]

I dont get it... the entire Horde supported her for most of the expansion. They would basically have to jail everyone right? The common people all supported what she did until blizzard made her say "REEE HORDE SUCKS LUL"

I think they are just rounding up the ones who still support her... after her outburst I'm sure most stopped supporting her.

[Beloren]

Hmmm, I don't know - part of me thought that the story would unfold based on how many players sided with sylvanas vs with saurfang - but Blizzard have said they plan storylines out long in advance. I always knew sylvanas wasn't good - and during Legion I was certain she'd be a straight up villain one day.

All Blizzard can do now is give her a satisfying end, they've said we won't fight her so death is unlikely - my personal theory is whoever the jailer is - we deal with him and then she becomes the new jailer - basically becoming the one thing she hates. That's what I'd like to happen, my biggest fear is she get kerrigan'd - that would destroy my faith in the writing team once and for all for me at that point

I thought they walways planned to make her right.. what i mean by that is that, the reason Sylvanas took so many lives was for a greater purpose.. i hate when they do things like that, it's like condoning murder and mass violence.

But since they like her so much..

i suspect the how we get ot that place gets derailed because of how upset people were. They took some of the shine off her. And cos alliance players whinged so much, they tossed them a few victories to, though i'm not sure what those achieved, except to placate fans.

The plot is largely unchanged, Sylvanas is still going to come out a hero because of what is involved with the Jailor and the Maw.

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She has got dev protection. Those who hope to see her gone are oging to be very disapointed.