Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Wyrt]

You mean like standing on a stage and saying you want all illegals to have health care, then saying medicare for all, but not being able to explain the different health care that medicare for all will provide versus the health care illegal immigrants would get?

You realize that illegals already get healthcare in the US? Hospitals can not refuse to treat them if they are an emergency patient. You know who pays for it? Tax payers.

Any comprehensive healthcare policy needs to take illegal immigrants into account.

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It's a testament to how far the Overton Window has been pulled over the last 40 years.

I've said it before there are Conservative Parties around the world that must look at the United States and say: "Those guys are nuts."

American Trump Nuts have absolutely no idea how far to the right they are that they see everyone else as "Far Left"

They just can not fathom that universal healthcare is a center policy. Other countries have debates between left and right on how to best utilize the system, not debates on whether it should exist or not.

[draynay]

lol what?

Bloomberg is literally a fucking Republican and he's "Too far left?" What?

I guess they see "stop and frisk" as too progressive and want to get back to beatings and lynchings?

[Wyrt]

I guess they see "stop and frisk" as too progressive and want to get back to beatings and lynchings?

Got to be openly racist to not be far left it seems.

[Dontrike]

even the moderates of this election are too far left.

that woman running to take AOC's seat is what the democrats were supposed to be.

Too far left how? Again, will you ever answer any question?

You mean like standing on a stage and saying you want all illegals to have health care, then saying medicare for all, but not being able to explain the different health care that medicare for all will provide versus the health care illegal immigrants would get?

You mean like saying you want a 2,000 mile wall while saying you are going to make another country pay for it, saying you want better healthcare that cheaper, better, and can help more while having no understanding how to pay for it, a tax cut that affects the middle class while only affecting the rich, saying illegals are bad while hiring illegals, and saying you won't golf while golfing so much more than any other president and the tax payers paying you millions to do just that?

Oh wait, that's Trump. So if he couldn't explain how to pay for any of his shit and you back him constantly, but now you're saying it's a bad thing that would make you a hypocrite. Huh, ain't that weird.

Don't go holding them to a higher standard when your guy draws on weather maps with sharpie to prove that he's stupid.

[derpkitteh]

lol what?

Bloomberg is literally a fucking Republican and he's "Too far left?" What?

i was talking about klobochar, pete, and even biden.

bloomberg's probably not a serious contender, i forget he's even in the running.

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Too far left how? Again, will you ever answer any question?

they all talk about things that are further left than any 90's era democrat.

they all also engage in identity politics. if the world were right, that'd get you laughed out of the race.

[PosPosPos]

they all talk about things that are further left than any 90's era democrat.

Which is inherently bad how?

they all also engage in identity politics. if the world were right, that'd get you laughed out of the race.

According to you, the "left" engages in identity politics and it's bad; but your far right engages in identity politics and it's good.

If that is your so-called "right" world, I rather stay in the wrong one - the one that identity politics is a mainstay in the entire world, because surprise surprise, humans and civilization are all about identities; to reject identities is to reject humanity. Although that kind of explains why your ilk seem so inhuman, because none of you have identities outside of "drone in a hivemind", and thus no individuality or humanity to speak of.

[Wyrt]

i was talking about klobochar, pete, and even biden.

bloomberg's probably not a serious contender, i forget he's even in the running.

I don't know how they could get any more conservative short just literally becoming Republicans.

they all talk about things that are further left than any 90's era democrat.

they all also engage in identity politics. if the world were right, that'd get you laughed out of the race.

Dude, Republicans engage in identity politics all the fucking time too. What do you think all those appeals to god and christianity are?

[Endus]

they all talk about things that are further left than any 90's era democrat.

Which was centrist at best.

they all also engage in identity politics. if the world were right, that'd get you laughed out of the race.

Literally all politics is "identity politics". It's inherent in the term "politics", right back to its etymological roots in ancient Greek.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

So you choose to believe a source that by its nature is disreputable because it fits a narrative you’ve already convinced yourself is true.

You’re the kind of person they could sell oceanfront property to in Kansas.

(Kansas is a landlocked state in the US, in case you’re not up on foreign geography)

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Trump and the democratic nominees— all of them— and what the two parties represent and would mean for the future of the country are so colossally different that sitting on the sidelines saying “well really they’re both the same” is miles of dishonest.

And hell, if you didn’t vote... you really have no right to complain about anything trump is doing. You refused to take the one step you could to have done anything about it.

I will awake a happy man on November 17th if trump is no longer president, no matter which democratic nominee sits in the White House.

The election is on the 3rd of November and this is America. I have freedom of expression and speech so I can shit on any president or person in office that I want.

[Zaydin]

even the moderates of this election are too far left.

that woman running to take AOC's seat is what the democrats were supposed to be.

Why is it with you cons that it's always that everyone else has gone too far left that's the problem, never wondering if maybe the problem is that the American right wing has gone too far to the right?

[derpkitteh]

What do you think all those appeals to god and christianity are?

i think those should be illegal, since it's unconstitutional.

but anyway, what do bloomberg's chances look at like so far? he's apparently not on the south carolina ballot, or the nevada one.

as turtle-y as mitch mcconnell looks, i think bloomberg looks even more like a turtle. it's pretty funny, he even kinda moves like one.

[Dontrike]

they all talk about things that are further left than any 90's era democrat.

Which would be? Again. Answer. Questions.

they all also engage in identity politics. if the world were right, that'd get you laughed out of the race.

The right also uses identity politics, so.....your point is?

[Wyrt]

i think those should be illegal, since it's unconstitutional.

but anyway, what do bloomberg's chances look at like so far? he's apparently not on the south carolina ballot, or the nevada one.

as turtle-y as mitch mcconnell looks, i think bloomberg looks even more like a turtle. it's pretty funny, he even kinda moves like one.

So, yeah, both parties use identity politics to appeal to specific groups of voters. It's like complaining that water is wet.

[PosPosPos]

Literally all politics is "identity politics". It's inherent in the term "politics", right back to its etymological roots in ancient Greek.

I just had an epiphany today, and that is we have grossly misunderstood the fundamental nature of the far-right movement.

It's not that they are ignorant of the fact all politics are identity politics that they reject it, but instead because they are acutely aware that identities as a concept that is so critical to human existence that they oppose it.

So you might ask, why? The answer is because they reject humanity, and subsequently reject every concept modern, progressed and enlightened human societies have embraced over the ages.

This also goes on to perfectly explain why they seem to have obsessive prejudice against(non-exhaustive list):

*Critical, independent thought and knowledge(schools, education, the internet, scientific progress)
*Bodily autonomy
*Freedom of expression
*Rule of law
*Societal cooperation
*Empathy
*A healthy and safe living environment for future generations

You know, everything that makes us humans humans.

[Rasulis]

i was talking about klobochar, pete, and even biden.

bloomberg's probably not a serious contender, i forget he's even in the running.

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they all talk about things that are further left than any 90's era democrat.

they all also engage in identity politics. if the world were right, that'd get you laughed out of the race.

I find it strange every time somebody said this about Bloomberg.

A guy did not accumulate 62b in personal wealth by being a pushover or stupid. That’s how a dairy company’s accountant’s son came to be worth 20 times Donald Trump’s wildest lies about his wealth, without a rich daddy, without a single bankruptcy and a long trail of wrecked investors behind him. The guy has given away more money than Trump's net worth several times over.

Super Tuesday is only two weeks away. We'll see if Bloomberg strategy of concentrating on Super Tuesday states will pay off. He is definitely investing a lot of money in these states. I live in San Diego, and the TV is running his and Steyer's advertisement pretty much non stop. Including the local FOX channel. So far I have not seen a single advertisement for Sanders, Warren, etc.

[Cthulhu 2020]

the moderates will vote for the moderate candidate.

it's the sanders voters that won't vote for the moderate, in the case of a contested convention. super delegates picking sides is what pissed off bernie voters back in 2016. bernie has to 100% cleanly lose for the sanders voters to fall in line.

idk how many moderates would vote for sanders either. i'd assume there's quite a few that'd rather see a non-trump republican in office than a declared democratic socialist.

The "Bernie Sanders voters" or the rather extreme ones will never fall in line. When Bernie loses the primary, some Russian propaganda will air that creates a conspiracy surrounding how the Democrats/main stream media cheated Bernie out of the candidacy. They'll latch on to it, and refuse to admit that he simply lost, and constantly repeat the conspiracies about being cheated out of the nomination. You know, just like what happened in 2016.

I'm no fan of 90's style Democrats, they need to go, but many Bernie voters are some of the more extreme elements of the left, toxic and dangerous, and I really don't want to be a part of that either. However, at the end of the day, I'm voting for whoever has the best chance to unseat Trump. At this point, that's the most important thing for the future of this country. And of course, knowing that Bernie/Biden/Warren/Bloomberg aren't going to absolutely fuck this country over is just simply a matter of looking at the candidates and their history. They're not terrible people, nor are they magnanimous, wonderful people. They're just average politicians we need to get things back on track.

None of them will be able to deliver on any of the big promises they've made, and anyone who believes they can is delusional. Some are unrealistic in their goals, some are outright delusional. One thing people should realize is that presidents are not a part of the legislative branch of government, they are part of the executive. If you are not intimately familiar with what that last sentence means, then I suggest you go look up exactly what it means, and realize the maximum scope of what a president is capable of.

[Kontinuum]

“Cokehead, womanizing, fag.” That’s the way Michael Bloomberg once characterized a competitor in New York’s financial industry, according to a book of quotes presented to the billionaire businessman for his 48th birthday in 1990.

The quote is one of a number of vulgar and degrading remarks, contained in a gag gift presented to Bloomberg by an employee, that may spell trouble for the former New York mayor as he attempts to convince Democrats he can topple Donald Trump in the 2020 election.

The tome, titled Wit & Wisdom of Michael Bloomberg, was published in full by the Washington Post on Saturday morning. It has been quoted at length over the years but has never been printed in full by a mainstream outlet.

The booklet was produced by Elisabeth DeMarse, who worked as Bloomberg’s chief marketing officer. “Yes, these are all actual quotes,” she wrote in her introduction. “No, nothing has been embellished or exaggerated.”

Some of the quotes are pure bathroom humor, like his comments on salesmanship that simply states, “Make the customer think he’s getting laid when he’s getting fucked.” Another says, “As Chuch Colsen put it: if you have them by their balls, their hearts and minds will follow.”

Others are highly sexist, like one that has a name redacted in the Post’s document. “What do I want? I want an exclusive, 10-year contract, an automatic extension, and I want you to pay me. And I want a blow job from [name redacted]. Have you seen [name redacted] lately? Not bad for fifty.”

The misogynistic, homophobic remarks predate the #MeToo era and show a sophomoric obsession with referencing oral sex. On the subject of computers, he said: “You know why computers will never take the place of people? Because a computer would say that the sex of the person giving you a blow job doesn’t matter.”

His company’s financial information computers “will do everything, including give you [oral sex]. I guess that puts a lot of you girls out of business,” he said in another remark.

Some of the quoted remarks are relatively mild, like, “The three biggest lies are: the check’s in the mail, I’ll respect you in the morning, and I’m glad I’m Jewish.”

Others are positively eyebrow raising, like, “The Royal Family—what a bunch of misfits—a gay, an architect, that horsey faced lesbian, and a kid who gave up Koo Stark for some fat broad.” He characterizes one competitor as, “Cokehead, womanizing, fag.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/cokehe...dom-resurfaces
based and redpilled!

[Orbitus]

i was talking about klobochar, pete, and even biden.

bloomberg's probably not a serious contender, i forget he's even in the running.

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they all talk about things that are further left than any 90's era democrat.

they all also engage in identity politics. if the world were right, that'd get you laughed out of the race.

You do know, what you are talking about is literally Reagan, right? Because the Republicans have moved so far to the right, they view that left wingers are all socialists. Even having morons calling Biden Socialist.

[derpkitteh]

You do know, what you are talking about is literally Reagan, right? Because the Republicans have moved so far to the right, they view that left wingers are all socialists. Even having morons calling Biden Socialist.

yeah, i get it's reagan-like. it'd be better for the country though. not that i'd want a reagan in office either, he was a dumbass.

i don't think biden's a socialist, but he and the others are too far on opening the borders and gun regulations.

all i want is a good civic nationalist party. trump lied about nationalism, bernie turned away from it(he used to be harder on immigration than he currently is).

[Wyrt]

yeah, i get it's reagan-like. it'd be better for the country though. not that i'd want a reagan in office either, he was a dumb

Seriously? Reagan was one of the worst presidents in history and we are still suffering the negative affects of his actions.