Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Elegiac]

Yeah, read that again. Team Trump has gone from "buy quadruple what you bought last year" to "buy quadruple what you bought last year, you fucking murderers." Good luck with that.

Trump Co: Nothing could possibly bungle this brilliant economic strategy short of a full blown global disaster!

Heaven, literally about to keysmash "withdraw" on the Mandate board: You don't say?

[Donatello Trumpi]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/14/u...e=articleShare



Cool, so we're deploying the CBP equivalent of "special forces", complete with military style gear, to "sanctuary cities" because...uh...well...I'm not sure.

Yes, what could be the reason? Must be some random act of ORANG MAN BAD, no reason whatsoever.

Oh wait

http://www.startribune.com/meth-cris...ate/480680891/

https://cis.org/Report/MS13-Resurgen...695c5-45111473

https://www.conservativereview.com/n...-drug-cartels/

[Breccia]

https://cis.org/Report/MS13-Resurgen...695c5-45111473

Anyone who cites CIS has conceded they have no valid point. They're a hate group. And they're a hate group that hates so much, they sued for being called a hate group, and the case was thrown out of court.

Incidentally, you'll note that the CIS sued claiming "my First Amendment rights!" but, um,
1) they weren't being censored by the government, so they clearly have no idea what the First Amendment is, and
2) they forgot to include that in their actual court filing, so either they were afraid to say such under oath, or they're incompetent. Pick one.

You'll probably find your argument more convincing if you don't cite hate groups.

[Lenonis]

You'll probably find your argument more convincing if you don't cite hate groups.

That would require people like him going to other sources for their "news"

[Breccia]

So um...I might have made a mistake.

Yes, Mississippi is still looking at a flood emergency. No change there.

But um...the water comes from upstream.



That's Tennessee. Homes are mudsliding into the river. Possibly but hopefully not worse, the dams in both states are at their filling points. It's possible they'll have to be opened, making things worse...or break, making things much worse.

Not everyone in the path had FEMA flood insurance, and regular home insurance doesn't cover flood damage. The flooding is so unusually high that a lot of people didn't get the insurance...and could lose everything.

I haven't heard of any casualties yet. Hopefully that stays the case.

[Shadowferal]

You'll probably find your argument more convincing if you don't cite hate groups.

That's all he has.
Hell, half the time he can't even link a Fox news item since the other half of Fox is shitting on Trump.

[Zan15]

Yes, what could be the reason? Must be some random act of ORANG MAN BAD, no reason whatsoever.

Oh wait

http://www.startribune.com/meth-cris...ate/480680891/

https://cis.org/Report/MS13-Resurgen...695c5-45111473

https://www.conservativereview.com/n...-drug-cartels/

lol...Center for Immigration Studies....ghahahahahah……I mean even after they have been caught a thousand times being racist and faking "studies".....
and meth? cartel problem? Geeze you really should check out some very very non cartel (white) area's of the north east if you want to see meth problems. SEND IN THE TROOPS!!!



Oh look we should send special forces to deal with the overwhelming crazy bigly biker gang problem.....because I link one story....

http://www.startribune.com/1-dead-3-...bar/567932742/

Texas is out of control!!!

[Skroe]

Sigh...

GOP pushes conspiracy theory that coronavirus was Chinese lab-made creation.


-- Sen. Cotton (R-NOAHS-ARK)

EDIT: I don't know where, why, or how Cotton got this information, but I do know it didn't come from Russia. Russia has blamed the USA and WHO with their own conspiracy theories, but is not pushing the "Chinese bio-weapon" angle.

Now even if I was to give someone who (a) has no science degree and (b) comes from fucking Arkansas every ounce of credit he doesn't deserve (yes he went to Harvard, no he didn't study medicine, and he's intentionally basing his assumptions on the lack of evidence) making such declarations as "China is murdering hundreds of its own citizens" can't possibly be good for Phase Two. Hell, it's probably not good for Phase One. Remember, China owes Team Trump nothing and I can't see how being called murderers by Trump's own allies will help. Not that things were going great regardless.

Coronavirus Threatens to Blow Up Trump’s Energy Trade Deal With China



Yeah, read that again. Team Trump has gone from "buy quadruple what you bought last year" to "buy quadruple what you bought last year, you fucking murderers." Good luck with that.

I mean yeah it's all B.S. But the conoravirus is an excellent opportunity to illustrate China's utter lack of fitness as a major global player.

A major health crisis appears in nature that sickens tens of thousands of their own people and kills nearly 2000s, and as always the first concern of the Communist Party is "how does this effect our monopoly of power here"? They protect Xi Jinping. They obfuscate the scale of the problem. They refuse the necessary cooperation with the CDC, which are the world's experts on this type of thing. It's so typical of an authoritarian regime.

We should absolutely smash China's government over the head for this avoidable catastrophe.

[kaid]

lol...Center for Immigration Studies....ghahahahahah……I mean even after they have been caught a thousand times being racist and faking "studies".....
and meth? cartel problem? Geeze you really should check out some very very non cartel (white) area's of the north east if you want to see meth problems. SEND IN THE TROOPS!!!



Oh look we should send special forces to deal with the overwhelming crazy bigly biker gang problem.....because I link one story....

http://www.startribune.com/1-dead-3-...bar/567932742/

Texas is out of control!!!

The really funny thing is with the ICE swat folks being sent to sanctuary cities is they still have all the normal restrictions of normal ICE officers. So they can look all big and scary but can be stopped by simply not opening your door to them unless there is a signed warrant. If the state wanted to f with them the judges could just deny their warrant requests. Most of the drug enforcement stuff is not done by ICE it is done by the DEA or local police. The main area ICE would have in combating drugs would be on an actual border not deployed to cities with large police forces that already deal with that issue.

[Zan15]

The really funny thing is with the ICE swat folks being sent to sanctuary cities is they still have all the normal restrictions of normal ICE officers. So they can look all big and scary but can be stopped by simply not opening your door to them unless there is a signed warrant. If the state wanted to f with them the judges could just deny their warrant requests. Most of the drug enforcement stuff is not done by ICE it is done by the DEA or local police. The main area ICE would have in combating drugs would be on an actual border not deployed to cities with large police forces that already deal with that issue.

Could you imagine the conspiracy theories that would be exploding if Hillary or Obama was still president.
I mean the FEMA camps hysteria was great but this would be explosive!!

Of course now that FEMA camps are actual active no one on the right seems to care :P :P :P

[Gaidax]

I mean yeah it's all B.S. But the conoravirus is an excellent opportunity to illustrate China's utter lack of fitness as a major global player.

A major health crisis appears in nature that sickens tens of thousands of their own people and kills nearly 2000s, and as always the first concern of the Communist Party is "how does this effect our monopoly of power here"? They protect Xi Jinping. They obfuscate the scale of the problem. They refuse the necessary cooperation with the CDC, which are the world's experts on this type of thing. It's so typical of an authoritarian regime.

We should absolutely smash China's government over the head for this avoidable catastrophe.

While I agree they do what the run of the mill commie regime would do, as in taking care of their regime first and everything else after. I do think that you underestimate the magnitude of the threat being dealt with here, especially considering demographics.

I had pleasure of traveling to China on numerous occasions, in particularly Shanghai area and some cities in that part of the country and I can't imagine what kind of insane disaster would happen if even one infected person would just come to Shanghai promenade. So, while Commies did what they do, I do think in general they dealt with the situation reasonably well or at least it's not THE disaster it could really become.

Of course if they would cut the bullshit and get to work before trying to cover shit up, they'd probably cut the deaths and infections by half, but when it comes to China way of thinking and governance - it's a small price to pay.

Honestly I'm not convinced US would do much better there, response would be faster, but government can't do whatever the fuck it wants with people in US, unlike in China.

[Breccia]

So the US's former top ambassador to Ukraine went on an interview in which he described Trump/Russia's conspiracy theory, that it was Ukraine that rigged the election, as...well, read for yourself.

Former top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine Bill Taylor said in an interview Sunday that no one at the American Embassy in Kyiv gave any credence to conspiracy theories that Ukraine, and not Russia, actually interfered in the 2016 election.

Taylor told CBS’s “60 Minutes” that the State Department had not directed him to investigate the rumors that Ukraine intervened because “No one took it seriously.” He added that he was frustrated that President Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani was pushing for investigations that were not official U.S. policy.

"Oh who cares what some commie librul Obama appointee says!"

Trump appointed him.

"No no, before that."

Bush appointed him. In 2006. He left May 2009.

"Okay, but that's still, what, four years of service? What does he know, anyhow?"

Well, he also worked with Ukraine, Russia/the Soviet Union, and Eastern Europe while in the Department of Energy, and the Pentagon, for ten years.

"...but--"

And he got a Bronze Star in Vietnam, where he was in the 101st Airborne --

"Okay, sounds like a qualified candidate and a good guy. Why isn't he still in his post?"

Trump fired him.

"I'll shut up now."

The former diplomat also told CBS News that there are no links between CrowdStrike, the cybersecurity company hired by the Democratic National Committee (DNC), and Ukraine. Taylor, who officially left the embassy in Kyiv last month after testifying in Trump's impeachment trial, indicated it was Russian that pushed the theories about the DNC’s computer server being physically in Ukraine.

"The Russians are very good at that," he said. "It's these fake stories that they have propagated. And that's what they do. They do it pretty well. We have to be on guard against that."

Just a reminder, the day Team Trump wants to officially accuse Ukraine and launch a full-on State Dept investigation, they're welcome to get out in public and do it. Sending your personal lawyer, and blocking him from testifying, is not a public investigation. That's how you pay off the prostitute you had sex with.

[Cizr]

Anyone who cites CIS has conceded they have no valid point. They're a hate group. And they're a hate group that hates so much, they sued for being called a hate group, and the case was thrown out of court.

Incidentally, you'll note that the CIS sued claiming "my First Amendment rights!" but, um,
1) they weren't being censored by the government, so they clearly have no idea what the First Amendment is, and
2) they forgot to include that in their actual court filing, so either they were afraid to say such under oath, or they're incompetent. Pick one.

You'll probably find your argument more convincing if you don't cite hate groups.

No they are not hate group just because Southern Poverty Law Center claim that they are. SPLC is well known for falsely accusing groups and people of being hate groups.

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Sigh...

GOP pushes conspiracy theory that coronavirus was Chinese lab-made creation.
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They literally state that it needs to be investigated and not that it started there.

[Pendulous]

So um...I might have made a mistake.

Yes, Mississippi is still looking at a flood emergency. No change there.

But um...the water comes from upstream.

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That's Tennessee. Homes are mudsliding into the river. Possibly but hopefully not worse, the dams in both states are at their filling points. It's possible they'll have to be opened, making things worse...or break, making things much worse.

Not everyone in the path had FEMA flood insurance, and regular home insurance doesn't cover flood damage. The flooding is so unusually high that a lot of people didn't get the insurance...and could lose everything.

I haven't heard of any casualties yet. Hopefully that stays the case.

Our town is fine, but we've had a river flood warning for at least a week at this point. The Tennessee River is somewhat close, but I haven't heard any news about issues here. Well, we did a notice from local utilities asking to conserve water.

I guess there's this https://www.waaytv.com/content/news/...567739071.html

[Breccia]

No they are not hate group just because Southern Poverty Law Center claim that they are.

Except that they back their claim with evidence. So, yes they are. Hey, did you know the founder of CIS is a white nationalist, they hired a Holocaust denier to write articles, and published this article titled "Voting for Hillary equals more Muslim killings of Americans" in which they claim Clinton follows Sharia law?

CIS is a hate group, because their words and actions show they are a hate group. SPLC just called them out on it. Hey, did you see CIS sued for slander? Did that work? If SPLC lied on purpose, you'd think the slander suit would go through, right? Right?

They literally state that it needs to be investigated and not that it started there.

And he just wanted them investigated because he thought there wasn't a connection, and wanted to disprove it?

Let's put it this way: someone steals a car in your town. I HYPOTHETICALLY say "Hey, someone stole a car in a town that Cizr lives in. Does that seem like a coincidence? I think we should investigate Cizr for this crime and learn the truth." Now, I didn't say you did it. I said we should investigate you for doing it. Would you be so charitable then?

Cotton's context was clear. Also, his conspiracy theory was already debunked.

There's absolutely nothing in the genome sequence of this virus that indicates the virus was engineered. The possibility this was a deliberately released bioweapon can be firmly excluded.

Regardless of what Cotton says, truthfully, falsely, or has-no-fucking-cluelessly, the likelihood of China opening its doors to a US or WHO investigation is lower than the chance that it was your car that got stolen.

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Our town is fine

Well that's good, of course. From the looks of things, Jackson (pop. 166k) by virtue of being larger, directly on the water, and downstream, is more at risk. The news coming from upstream seem mostly to be smaller towns. That's probably why I missed them the first time.

we did a notice from local utilities asking to conserve water.

That's...discouraging. Most likely reason that leaps to mind, that fresh water's going to be needed elsewhere. Unless you also got a "boil" order.

[Zan15]

No they are not hate group just because Southern Poverty Law Center claim that they are. SPLC is well known for falsely accusing groups and people of being hate groups.

\.

Sure seems like they tried to sue over it and no one believed them and the judge just dismissed their laughable claim against the SPLC.
Also you can easily see the founding members statements over time as clearly hate. Their funding is from white nationals.


On top of all that they continue to publish one study after another that is completely manipulated to show the results they desire. They include US CITIZENS in their study just because they happen to be in the same household as an immigrant. They also include full value of benefits vs actual benefits used.

These two examples have been outed by over a dozen groups on both sides of the political spectrum but they refuse to fix their "studies" because it would show there really is not anywhere near the problem they state.

There is also another dozen or two problems with every "report" they issue...… clearly pushing an agenda of hate against anyone that is...well you know....

Hell even CATO every year has a problem with them
https://www.cato.org/blog/center-imm...ve-welfare-use
https://www.cato.org/blog/center-imm...nt-welfare-use

[beanman12345]

A judge threw out the case over CIS being called a hate group, but I guess that judge also has no authority?

Didn't that guy used to have a nazi symbol as his avatar? Of course he's gonna deny a hate group for what they are, facts are irrelevant.

[Masark]

Didn't that guy used to have a nazi symbol as his avatar?

Yes, though he kept claiming it was a "pagan symbol".

[Zaydin]

I mean yeah it's all B.S. But the conoravirus is an excellent opportunity to illustrate China's utter lack of fitness as a major global player.

A major health crisis appears in nature that sickens tens of thousands of their own people and kills nearly 2000s, and as always the first concern of the Communist Party is "how does this effect our monopoly of power here"? They protect Xi Jinping. They obfuscate the scale of the problem. They refuse the necessary cooperation with the CDC, which are the world's experts on this type of thing. It's so typical of an authoritarian regime.

We should absolutely smash China's government over the head for this avoidable catastrophe.

Supposedly the Chinese government banned further sales of the HBO miniseries Chernobyl in China because people there were drawing parallels with the Soviet governments driving concern being saving face rather than properly addressing the disaster in Chernobyl to the Chinese governments poor response to the coronavirus.

[Shadowferal]

Federal judges' association calls emergency meeting after DOJ intervenes in case of Trump ally Roger Stone

A national association of federal judges has called an emergency meeting Tuesday to address growing concerns about the intervention of Justice Department officials and President Donald Trump in politically sensitive cases, the group’s president said Monday.

Philadelphia U.S. District Judge Cynthia Rufe, who heads the independent Federal Judges Association, said the group “could not wait” until its spring conference to weigh in on a deepening crisis that has enveloped the Justice Department and Attorney General William Barr.

“There are plenty of issues that we are concerned about,” Rufe told USA TODAY. “We’ll talk all of this through.”

Rufe, nominated to the bench by President George W. Bush, said the group of more than 1,000 federal jurists called for the meeting last week after Trump criticized prosecutors' initial sentencing recommendation for his friend Roger Stone and the Department of Justice overruled them.

The unusual concern voiced by the judges’ group comes in the wake of an equally unusual protest. Sunday, more than 2,000 former Justice Department officials called on Barr to resign, claiming his handling of the Stone case "openly and repeatedly flouted" the principle of equal justice.

"Although there are times when political leadership appropriately weighs in on individual prosecutions, it is unheard of for the department’s top leaders to overrule line prosecutors, who are following established policies, in order to give preferential treatment to a close associate of the president, as Attorney General Barr did in the Stone case," the letter reads.