mmigration: No visas for low-skilled workers, government says

[zenkai]

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Low-skilled workers would not get visas under post-Brexit immigration plans unveiled by the government.

It is urging employers to "move away" from relying on "cheap labour" from Europe and invest in retaining staff and developing automation technology.

The Home Office said EU and non-EU citizens coming to the UK would be treated equally after UK-EU free movement ends on 31 December.

Labour said a "hostile environment" would make it hard to attract workers.

But Home Secretary Priti Patel told BBC Breakfast the government wanted to "encourage people with the right talent" and "reduce the levels of people coming to the UK with low skills".

She added that businesses could also recruit from among eight million "economically inactive" potential workers in the UK.

But the SNP called this a "ridiculous or dangerous idea", as many in this group were suffering "ill health or injury".
Who is 'skilled'?

Under the plan, the definition of skilled workers would be expanded to include those educated to A-level/Scottish Highers-equivalent standard, not just graduate level, as is currently the case.

Waiting tables and certain types of farm worker would be removed from the new skilled category, but new additions would include carpentry, plastering and childminding.

How would it work?

The government wants to bring in a "points-based" immigration system, as promised in the Conservative election manifesto.

Under this, overseas citizens would have to reach 70 points to be able to work in the UK.

Speaking English and having the offer of a skilled job with an "approved sponsor" would give them 50 points.

More points would be awarded for qualifications, the salary on offer and working in a sector with shortages.

Workers from European Economic Area countries currently have the automatic right to live and work in the UK irrespective of their salary or skill level.

The government says this will end on 31 December, when the 11-month post-Brexit transition period is due to finish.
Pay levels

The salary threshold for skilled workers wanting to come to the UK would be lowered from £30,000 to £25,600.

However, the government says the threshold would be as low as £20,480 for people in "specific shortage occupations" - which currently include nursing, civil engineering, psychology and classical ballet dancing - or those with PhDs relevant to a specific job.

But there would no longer be an overall cap on the number of skilled workers who could come into the UK.
Problems ahead for social care

The immigration plans spell trouble for adult social care.

The majority of people employed by the sector are low-paid care workers. They are responsible for providing daily help to older and disabled adults in care homes and the community.

There are already significant shortages - one in 11 posts are unfilled.

Foreign workers make up a sixth of the 840,000-strong care worker workforce in England. It is hard to see how in the future these staff could qualify.

Even if it is classed as a skilled job - and even that is in doubt, as many workers do not come via an A-level route - the pay at under £20,000 on average is too low to qualify for any points. Nor is the role classed a shortage occupation.

It seems certain applicants will fall well-short of the 70 points needed.
What about lower-paid sectors?

The government said it would not introduce a route for lower-skilled/lower-paid workers, urging businesses to "adapt and adjust" to the end of free movement between EU countries and the UK.

Instead, it said the 3.2 million EU citizens who have applied to stay in the UK could help meet labour demands.

But bodies representing farming, catering and nursing are warning that it will be hard to recruit staff under the new system.

The Royal College of Nursing said the proposals would "not meet the health and care needs of the population".

National Farmers' Union president Minette Batters raised "serious concerns" about the "failure to recognise British food and farming's needs".

And the Food and Drink Federation spoke of concerns about bakers, meat processors and workers making food like cheese and pasta not qualifying under the new system.

However, the government pointed to a quadrupling of the scheme for seasonal workers in agriculture to 10,000, as well as "youth mobility arrangements", allowing 20,000 young people to come to the UK each year.

The government's proposed immigration system represents a balancing act - broadening the base of skilled labour while restricting the flow of those seeking lower-skilled jobs.

People wanting to come to the UK from outside the EU will find rules are being relaxed, such as scrapping the cap on skilled workers or the drop in minimum salary.

But for EU migrants who are used to moving freely between Britain and the continent, the new regime will be something of a shock.

Visitors can come for six months without a visa, but they won't be able to work, those with skills must have a job offer and clear the 70 points hurdle, and there'll be no work permits for migrants prepared to do menial jobs in restaurants, hotels, care homes and food processing plants.

There is some flexibility in the new structure. But the question is, will it be enough to prevent labour shortages and companies taking their business elsewhere?
Benefit entitlements

Under the plan, all migrants would only be entitled to access income-related benefits until after indefinite leave to remain is granted, usually after five years.

Currently, EU nationals in the UK can claim benefits if they are "economically active". Non-EU citizens become eligible for benefits when they are granted permanent residence, which usually requires five years of living legally in the UK.
What is the political reaction?

For Labour, shadow home secretary Diane Abbott said the government did not "appear to have thought through what the effects of this policy will be on the economy as a whole and what message it sends to migrants already living and working here".

Do you think this is a good idea?

[Mihalik]

Do you think this is a good idea?

Sure it is. If the UK is hellbent on wiping out what's left of its agricultural industries, constructions and domestic services (people who take care of the elderly).

Tho I'm about 99% certain they don't actually mean this, and will negotiate this away for fishing rights or for the EU removing British Tax Havens from its blacklist.

[Machismo]

Ahh, yes... the rise of fascism and national socialism... exactly what the Brexiteers wanted.

[Freighter]

Do you think this is a good idea?

Sounds badly planned. Good ideas aren't badly planned.

[cors8]

When these people face the inevitable price increase and/or budget deficit this will cause, they'll find someone else to blame.

[Draco-Onis]

This is going to work out so well for the UK economy I mean it's not like they are already facing a mass exodus of skilled and unskilled workers already. I am sure this will work out great for their economy just in case it wasn't obvious enough /s

[ati87]

Can we stop saying low skilled workers because for something that gets such a degenerate term the jobs these people do are often crucial to the ongoing success of that company.

Yes everybody can learn to do XYZ without needing a bachelor/master but clearly not everybody is willing to or actually capabele of doing those task 8 hours a day 5 days a week.
We saw this play out in the US as well when a farm decided to hire/recruit local citizens instead of illegal immigrants.

[Machismo]

Can we stop saying low skilled workers because for something that gets such a degenerate term the jobs these people do are often crucial to the ongoing success of that company.

Yes everybody can learn to do XYZ without needing a bachelor/master but clearly not everybody is willing to or actually capabele of doing those task 8 hours a day 5 days a week.
We saw this play out in the US as well when a farm decided to hire/recruit local citizens instead of illegal immigrants.

I agree with this. "Working your ass off" is a skill. It's a skill that some people have, and others do not. It's a skill I have, and one I do not enjoy using.

[Knolan]

Depends on a lot of factors.

If you have a lot of low education locals struggling to get a job, then it is a great idea.
If you have some, then it will be good for them and bad for everyone else.
If you have very little of them, then it is a bad idea.

[d00mGuArD]

Can we stop saying low skilled workers because for something that gets such a degenerate term the jobs these people do are often crucial to the ongoing success of that company.

Yes everybody can learn to do XYZ without needing a bachelor/master but clearly not everybody is willing to or actually capabele of doing those task 8 hours a day 5 days a week.
We saw this play out in the US as well when a farm decided to hire/recruit local citizens instead of illegal immigrants. [/URL]

I agree that all jobs are crucial to the economy. But what term would you prefer them to use? Uneducated?

[ati87]

I agree that all jobs are crucial to the economy. But what term would you prefer them to use? Uneducated?

How about just employees, workers, staff?
Lets be honest, the contribution of the cleaning staff in a hospital is just as important as the contribution of the doctor.
Personally I consider every single sales job and certain digital marketing/social media jobs as low skill. You really don;'t need any eduction and frankly most idiots can kind of do it.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Is it a good idea, yeah, probably, it's not unlike Canada, or the U.K or many other countries that place the same requirements on immigration status meaning. You have to speak the language, posses, a basic understanding of the law and how it works specifically in relation to it's people. You also have to be able to contribute and provide for yourself, meaning your addition to the country has to be a net gain.

So if you have any criminal or suspicious history, just like if you are a low skill worker not likely to be adding to the workforce but displacing someone else, well then yes, this is a prudent coarse.

Of course I don't imagine that has ANYTHING to do with the motives behind this.

[Rukh]

Man, if I lived in the UK, I think I'd be moving right about now.

[Elegiac]

Man, if I lived in the UK, I think I'd be moving right about now.

Word. With legislation like this coming down the pipe it's advisable for every sane person in England to get the hell out of dodge while they have the chance.

[Draco-Onis]

Word. With legislation like this coming down the pipe it's advisable for every sane person in England to get the hell out of dodge while they have the chance.

Good news they already are the UK is experience severe worker shortage from high skill to low skill and I am sure this is going to totally make people want to move there

[zenkai]

Can we stop saying low skilled workers because for something that gets such a degenerate term the jobs these people do are often crucial to the ongoing success of that company.

Yes everybody can learn to do XYZ without needing a bachelor/master but clearly not everybody is willing to or actually capabele of doing those task 8 hours a day 5 days a week.
We saw this play out in the US as well when a farm decided to hire/recruit local citizens instead of illegal immigrants.

if you can teach someone your job in less than a week without a college education, it's low skill

[Elegiac]

if you can teach someone your job in less than a week without a college education, it's low skill

There literally is no profession on the planet that meets this definition.

Unless, of course, you're using the American model of giving people inadequate training to save on costs and to easily dispose of workers when they burn out due to their conditions.

You can probably be taught how to be a lawyer in less than seven days. You'll be a pretty crappy lawyer that produces mediocre results, but given not a day goes by where I don't hear a Boomer complain about customer service you'd think they'd want more qualified burger flippers.

[zenkai]

There literally is no profession on the planet that meets this definition.

Unless, of course, you're using the American model of giving people inadequate training to save on costs and to easily dispose of workers when they burn out due to their conditions.

You can probably be taught how to be a lawyer in less than seven days. You'll be a pretty crappy lawyer that produces mediocre results, but given not a day goes by where I don't hear a Boomer complain about customer service you'd think they'd want more qualified burger flippers.

Yes, you can pull someone off the street and teach them to be a lawyer in 7 days... lmao

[arandomuser]

When they AI and automation take all of the low skilled jobs, who are the working class going to blame?Actually i think i've already know, i alreadyhear alot of the same people toss around the j word. Wouldnt want to have a "socialist" handout like UBI, or even just basic government programs for unemployed, no that money is better served for a border wall that dosent solve the real issue causing job loss

[Elegiac]

Yes, you can pull someone off the street and teach them to be a lawyer in 7 days... lmao

Yep.

They'd be a pretty crappy lawyer, but that's my point.

Food service is seen as unskilled labor because the people working in that field are not given adequate time or resources to develop skills, and thinking otherwise is clearly the perspective of someone whose entire experience with food service or any form of unskilled labor has been as an end user.

Basically: check your privilege.