Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Edge-]

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You ever find those Emmerson polls? I still can't track it down. Just wondering, because that seems like some actual "FAKE NEWS" based on the fact that those numbers don't seem to exist.

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....so, and stay with me here, crazy idea coming...maybe the media are not applying common sense here?

Candidate says a thing

Media report that candidate said a thing

Media are at fault for reporting that the candidate said a thing because they should have known better

Wut?

[Elegiac]

....so, and stay with me here, crazy idea coming...maybe the media are not applying common sense here?

*slow clap* Congratulations on disproving a position absolutely nobody was defending.

We get that the news is sensationalist and thrives off muckraking. What we are not doing, however, is refusing to acknowledge that reality and screaming that the entire institution of the media should adjust to Bernie's gravity rather than him being more careful in what he says.

Y'all literally shit on Warren for being a 'weak progressive' for stumbling on M4A or the Native American thing and then turn around and say "It's okay when Bernie misspeaks because the media's just corrupt".

It's incredibly deceitful and paints a pretty despicable picture of a lot of folks in the Sanders camp. What He Meant Was, indeed.

[Lenonis]

I wasn't really following the Democratic elections.

Then maybe don't use lines like

I've never ever heard concerns raised like these about any democratic candidates anywhere in the western world.

as your defense.

[Milchshake]

I brought a friend that is fluent in BernieBro to explain the problem.

"People get sick ... it's OK to not feel well. It's all about the cover up."
-2016 Nina Turner accusing Clinton of covering up medical issues.

2020 Nina Turner is Bernie's Campaign Co-Chair. Also head of his dark money group, Our Revolution.

[Drutt]

Candidate says a thing

Media report that candidate said a thing

Media are at fault for reporting that the candidate said a thing because they should have known better

If they're sensationalizing something as a result of a complete lack of applying common sense then yes, they are. It's a small matter to apply context and say "it's pretty obvious candidate X didn't mean they were going to release every single document and file in their entire medical record, because that would be beyond ludicrous."

[Elegiac]

If they're sensationalizing something as a result of a complete lack of applying common sense then yes, they are. It's a small matter to apply context and say "it's pretty obvious candidate X didn't mean they were going to release every single document and file in their entire medical record, because that would be beyond ludicrous."

"We get that the news is sensationalist and thrives off muckraking. What we are not doing, however, is refusing to acknowledge that reality and screaming that the entire institution of the media should adjust to Bernie's gravity rather than him being more careful in what he says."

Who's really being unreasonable, here.

[Edge-]

If they're sensationalizing something as a result of a complete lack of applying common sense then yes, they are. It's a small matter to apply context and say "it's pretty obvious candidate X didn't mean they were going to release every single document and file in their entire medical record, because that would be beyond ludicrous."

That's not a determination for media to make, at that point they would be speaking on behalf of Sanders.

They literally just reported his words. If Sanders was unspecific, that's his problem and he needs to be more precise with his words.

[Blur4stuff]

I'd say if you're really concerned about Sander's health then just look at what he's doing. For the past several months (except maybe during impeachment) he's held multiple events almost daily across the country. The guy is a relentless machine. If he was a man getting ready to die then I don't think he'd be campaigning like this.

Like I posted earlier, his heart attack and potential health issues are a negative, but it's just not big enough to justify putting another candidate in the #1 spot. He still has the best policy proposals and I believe will have the biggest margin of victory against Trump.

[Elegiac]

Well, your example is still an 'american thing'.

It's literally an American election.

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I'd say if you're really concerned about Sander's health then just look at what he's doing.

I have, and I've chosen the far more mobile and energetic progressive in the field.

His actual health is also not relevant because the entire controversy is about his health documents and his reneging on a promise to release said documents in full.

It's ok not to feel well. It's all about the cover up.

[Drutt]

That's not a determination for media to make, at that point they would be speaking on behalf of Sanders.

They literally just reported his words. If Sanders was unspecific, that's his problem and he needs to be more precise with his words.

Hard disagree. They do this all the time, all channels, all networks. Every network has dozens and dozens of political analysts and talking heads who are CONSTANTLY picking apart every statement made to add context and interpretation.

Heaven forbid they discuss policy rather than attempting to take things literally when it makes no sense to do so.

[TexasRules]

I may actualy watch tonight's debate since bloomberg is going to have to answer questions. I hope Bernie gets questioned over his shady shit, but I doubt it. I want Bernie to win just to see him get trounced for being insanely socialist and bad with his ideas, but I also do not want him to win as if he actually became President , it would be the worst thing to hit the economy since the great depression.

[JohnBrown1917]

I may actualy watch tonight's debate since bloomberg is going to have to answer questions. I hope Bernie gets questioned over his shady shit, but I doubt it. I want Bernie to win just to see him get trounced for being insanely socialist and bad with his ideas, but I also do not want him to win as if he actually became President , it would be the worst thing to hit the economy since the great depression.

You have some crazy fantasies to actually think Sanders is into anything Shady, but hey, maybe mini Trump will spend enough billions to buy the primaries.

[Stormspellz]

I may actualy watch tonight's debate since bloomberg is going to have to answer questions. I hope Bernie gets questioned over his shady shit, but I doubt it. I want Bernie to win just to see him get trounced for being insanely socialist and bad with his ideas, but I also do not want him to win as if he actually became President , it would be the worst thing to hit the economy since the great depression.

proper healthcare programs, and not driving up the debt with corporate socialism will not bring about the great depression

[Drutt]

I may actualy watch tonight's debate since bloomberg is going to have to answer questions.

This is going to be interesting, I agree. It'll be interesting to see if the DNC did him any favours by changing the format.

[Edge-]

Hard disagree. They do this all the time, all channels, all networks. Every network has dozens and dozens of political analysts and talking heads who are CONSTANTLY picking apart every statement made to add context and interpretation.

Heaven forbid they discuss policy rather than attempting to take things literally when it makes no sense to do so.

Picking apart in their analysis, not reporting. Analysis and reporting are two different things. Also, it's hard to analyze someone saying, "I will release my full medical records." because...well...that's not a policy or anything else, that's a declarative statement.

If there was analysis of what he meant by "full medical records", sure. But this was just straight news posting since there's nothing to analyze in that statement.

This is going to be interesting, I agree. It'll be interesting to see if the DNC did him any favours by changing the format.

I've missed the debates thus far, but I'm legit interested in watching this to see how the other candidates handle him. Kinda hoping for a hardcore dogpile.

[shimerra]

I'd say if you're really concerned about Sander's health then just look at what he's doing. For the past several months (except maybe during impeachment) he's held multiple events almost daily across the country. The guy is a relentless machine. If he was a man getting ready to die then I don't think he'd be campaigning like this.

Like I posted earlier, his heart attack and potential health issues are a negative, but it's just not big enough to justify putting another candidate in the #1 spot. He still has the best policy proposals and I believe will have the biggest margin of victory against Trump.

Yeah typically speaking after those types of events they don't recommend being a relentless machine. Kudos to him for handling it but I'd be willing to bet a years salary you never would've expected a possible heart attack even the day before he had it so that first bit is just wild speculation either way as we're not his docs and don't know his lifestyle changes he may have made.


And like we've posted earlier it's not big enough FOR YOU. For others it may be. Bernie has likable policy proposals but hardly the best and certainly not the most realistic given Obama couldn't even shove a government option through with both houses under D control. But like I said earlier a solid VP pick should be enough to assuage most reasonable concerns, but we definitely do not need to lie to ourselves and pretend the media wouldn't be sensationalizing or talking about this if a different candidate had a similar incident. Chris almighty it's like ya'll forget people freaking out, including Bernie supporters, over Hillary looking like she was about to feint of something that one time.

[Telogrus]

This just shows how the anti-Bernie crowd will say ANYTHING to bring him down. Truly pathetic.

[Machismo]

This just shows how the anti-Bernie crowd will say ANYTHING to bring him down. Truly pathetic.

Yes, it is pretty bad when Trump supporters do everything they can to stir up controversy.

[shimerra]

I may actualy watch tonight's debate since bloomberg is going to have to answer questions. I hope Bernie gets questioned over his shady shit, but I doubt it. I want Bernie to win just to see him get trounced for being insanely socialist and bad with his ideas, but I also do not want him to win as if he actually became President , it would be the worst thing to hit the economy since the great depression.

Trump literally transferred his personal debts into his Casino's while paying himself an exorbitant salary and then proceeded to drive his casino into bankruptcy claiming it was hard times for casinos when all his competitors were basically saying Casino's were money printing machines/making massive profits. He then left employees/investors on the hook after offloading all his debts.

And that's just one and not even near Trump's most shady. I guarantee Bernie is nowhere near that but you still wrap your mouth firmly around Trump's privates. Strange inconsistencies.

[Lenonis]

I hope Bernie gets questioned over his shady shit, but I doubt it

This is rich coming from a Trump sycophant.