Alliance mythic raiding will die out sooner or later

[Amaterasu65]

It's kinda too late. Many top Alliance guilds on my server have already gone Horde, many friends followed others in the Hkrde because of that. It's a cycle. One of those guilds I was in when they were Alliance are World 15 right now. Alliance is slowly dying and Blizzard hasn't done anything since the problem rose.

[LuminaL]

They let the problem go unchecked for too long to the point it compounded on itself after so many years to the point it's pretty much unable to be fixed.

"But there was / is no bias in racials people just totally chose their factions off cosmetic choices!"

The racial traits system needs to be removed from the game or relegated to cosmetic or out of combat abilities only.
- There's a reason that so many top PvP arena players are Humans.
- There's a reason so many top end PvE players are Trolls or Blood Elves.


At this point, the only way to get back to having an even split between the factions at the high end of game play is a choice between literally forcing factions upon people, over adjusting racials so Alliance racial traits become overpowered, or extremely incentivizing (not just trivial incentives like the extra warmode buff) for the Alliance players.

That aside, I don't think they care about the player balance, and will continue to just churn out mediocre expansions as long as people still play their game.

They had the perfect chance to do so in Shadowlands, but they balked. Factions could have been merged after the war and we could have moved into a new era of WoW where we moved to racial tensions and selections like picking a covenant or Aldor / Scryer for our conflicts between each other when it comes to PvP. For PvE, we could have all played together to "fight the big bad" since we essentially team up and do that anyway every single time a big bad crops up.

removing everything that is slightly unbalance from the game will only make this game even more bland and boring. its what they did with the abilities and spells of classes and look how stupid and repetitive they are now. stop asking for stuffs to get removed for the sake of balance, they can always add things to the unbalanced side of things. the only game that is balance is the game where everything is a copy paste of everything else, is that what you want?

[KaPe]

of course faction transfer isn't the most income to cash shop, it is still an income, and Bobby Kodick make even Scrouge himself feel like a charity activist (to be fair, most of CEO from USA give that impression)

Making money from faction transfers vs losing money from people saying "screw that, I'm quiting", which might make even more people cancel subscription. I doubt this is as obviously financially motivated as some people believe and it's more of "core design philosophy shift" issue, combined with this being harder to implement than mercenary mode. Would it include outdoor content for world bosses, rares and the like? Visions/Torghast? Dungeons and Raids? Pet battles? It's more complex than "just battlegrounds".

'Course, the next expansion seems like a perfect point to do just that, seeing how lorewwise we're split into different factions than Horde and Alliance. But maybe they decided that level squish will already mess things up and adding cross faction play on top of that would break the game in half.

Too bad Ion plays Horde, maybe he'd be complaining more to his bosses if he couldn't do Cutting Edge each tier as Alliance.

[chiddie]

They let the problem go unchecked for too long to the point it compounded on itself after so many years to the point it's pretty much unable to be fixed.

"But there was / is no bias in racials people just totally chose their factions off cosmetic choices!"

The racial traits system needs to be removed from the game or relegated to cosmetic or out of combat abilities only.
- There's a reason that so many top PvP arena players are Humans.
- There's a reason so many top end PvE players are Trolls or Blood Elves.


At this point, the only way to get back to having an even split between the factions at the high end of game play is a choice between literally forcing factions upon people, over adjusting racials so Alliance racial traits become overpowered, or extremely incentivizing (not just trivial incentives like the extra warmode buff) for the Alliance players.

That aside, I don't think they care about the player balance, and will continue to just churn out mediocre expansions as long as people still play their game.

They had the perfect chance to do so in Shadowlands, but they balked. Factions could have been merged after the war and we could have moved into a new era of WoW where we moved to racial tensions and selections like picking a covenant or Aldor / Scryer for our conflicts between each other when it comes to PvP. For PvE, we could have all played together to "fight the big bad" since we essentially team up and do that anyway every single time a big bad crops up.

It’s not a racials matter in the slightest. Non top guilds which don’t compete for “something first” (95+% of the player base), be it PvE or PvP, will simply play the toon they want to play anyways.

No one cares about alliance anymore, it’s as simple as that.

[Soikona]

It’s not a racials matter in the slightest. Non top guilds which don’t compete for “something first” (95+% of the player base), be it PvE or PvP, will simply play the toon they want to play anyways.

No one cares about alliance anymore, it’s as simple as that.

What? Are you serious? Even if the OPs numbers are right about the top 1000, that’s 1/5 of the top 1% that are still playing alliance. Even if that number is 1/5 of the entire faction, that’s still enough to not be “no one cares”. Going by that stupid AF logic, the world doesn’t care about WoW, because less than 1/5 of the worlds gaming population doesn’t play WoW (even at its peak).

Personally me, I would rather not play than play horde. Every RPG, every MMO, I pick human. My end game is transmog (one of my main reasons to mythic raid) and I can’t think of any plate armour that looks good on anything other than human.

[ryjkur]

They need to balance racials and it will be 50/50 soon. If horde is 20%+ more powerful its not fair.

[Feral Druid ist Op]

A simple solution,
you want to play highed pvp? play alliance, you want to play highend pve? play horde.
so was it the last 8? years and it will stay that way, except if blizz overbuffing something crazy like 3% overall dps over the rasicals now.

[Dziubla]

A simple solution,
you want to play highed pvp? play alliance, you want to play highend pve? play horde.
so was it the last 8? years and it will stay that way, except if blizz overbuffing something crazy like 3% overall dps over the rasicals now.

Except you're wrong, because Alliance was perfectly capable of doing highend pve, even if it was somewhat behind horde. Nowadays? We won't even fill hall of fame, which means we won't get cross server Nyalotha. Even despite the fact that it will be a long, long patch. If you don't see the problem with that...Or if you think the solution is "just go horde"...then I don't know what to tell you.

[Feral Druid ist Op]

Except you're wrong, because Alliance was perfectly capable of doing highend pve, even if it was somewhat behind horde. Nowadays? We won't even fill hall of fame, which means we won't get cross server Nyalotha. Even despite the fact that it will be a long, long patch. If you don't see the problem with that...Or if you think the solution is "just go horde"...then I don't know what to tell you.

like it or not its the only solution you have unless blizz overbuffs alliance and we good palyers are forced to switch.
The raiding community all play horde with few exceptions and we all know each other in the top 50 area because everyone has played with somebody at some piont, that makes recuting a lot easier.

[Echocho]

Yet no chance for faction merges as said in last blizzcon.

We don't need faction merges. We need alliance races that doesn't look like shit and with some awesome racials.

[sam86]

Making money from faction transfers vs losing money from people saying "screw that, I'm quiting", which might make even more people cancel subscription.

u underestimate how much ppl are addicted to wow
i admit i'm addicted myself, also i don't play in BFA except 1 month, but i don't see myself stop playing wow, heck i subbed the second i saw Legion trailer for 6 months in wow, and Legion was 8 months away -.- (6 months of wod yay, i didn't even log last 3 weeks*

[chiddie]

What? Are you serious? Even if the OPs numbers are right about the top 1000, that’s 1/5 of the top 1% that are still playing alliance. Even if that number is 1/5 of the entire faction, that’s still enough to not be “no one cares”. Going by that stupid AF logic, the world doesn’t care about WoW, because less than 1/5 of the worlds gaming population doesn’t play WoW (even at its peak).

Personally me, I would rather not play than play horde. Every RPG, every MMO, I pick human. My end game is transmog (one of my main reasons to mythic raid) and I can’t think of any plate armour that looks good on anything other than human.

I am not saying I don’t care about allies going to vanish, I am saying that they are not vanishing because of racials.

The faction and the races lost most of their appeal during the years (they never had any for me since I’m horde since the first Warcraft rts but this is another story).

[sam86]

A simple solution,
you want to play highed pvp? play alliance, you want to play highend pve? play horde.
so was it the last 8? years and it will stay that way, except if blizz overbuffing something crazy like 3% overall dps over the rasicals now.

pvp still need pve gear, and for every 1502 wow player who plays, 1 only focus purely on pvp and rest are either mix pve/pvp or pure pvp
check tournaments, even famous horde guilds in tournaments use alliance toons, but in wow itself, they still play horde to get their gear (at least that was accurate during WoD era, the only time i followed every pvp tournament)

[Socialhealer]

It's kinda too late. Many top Alliance guilds on my server have already gone Horde, many friends followed others in the Hkrde because of that. It's a cycle. One of those guilds I was in when they were Alliance are World 15 right now. Alliance is slowly dying and Blizzard hasn't done anything since the problem rose.

When Ensidia moved to Tarren mill it wiped out the alliane population, whatever alliance was left after that slowly crumbled as REM, then method was on tarren mill.

If i had to pay for a faction change because of horde dominance why shouldn't every other alliance player in the world?!

At this point we should do it to troll blizzard, just have 99% of players as horde so their whole game concept is broken and nothing makes sense.

[Very rare pepe]

I have a tauren shaman and a orc warrior already. but i wanna move my demon hunter main over to horde, cuz i mainly pug M+ and the groups on alliance are just...PAINNNNFULLLLLLLL

Can't agree with this more, I play both factions and it's painful to see how bad the alliance pugs are in comparison, I have seen some crazy shit when doing mythic+ on alliance.

[ArCaN1St]

Mythic raiding is just one layer of this problem and not the most important one. What's much more impactful is LFG being empty on EU-alliance side. There is sometimes even no group for a world boss. Filling a group for 15+ in a morning can take an hour even if you don't care about setup and only try to find people with some experience. There are no more than 3 heroic raids forming in weekends prime hour. People get tired and transfer to horde, their friends follow them to horde, and the process is becoming faster and faster over time.

[TheLucky1]

A simple solution,
you want to play highed pvp? play alliance, you want to play highend pve? play horde.
so was it the last 8? years and it will stay that way, except if blizz overbuffing something crazy like 3% overall dps over the rasicals now.

You do know there are also more highend horde pvp players?
This is not wod or pre wod.

[Kehego]

ITT: people who don't understand how strong shadowmeld and humans in general are.

[Feral Druid ist Op]

You do know there are also more highend horde pvp players?
This is not wod or pre wod.

I honestly dont (i hate pvp) all i heard about from (good players) is how "op" alliance is/was, so I looked at the leaderboard

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/ga...aderboards/3v3

and it looks balanced with more alliance in the top 10

[Lorgar Aurelian]

My entire guild switched to horde this patch. It had been alliance since late Molten Core and some core members still around (I joined them during BT in BC). The reason was basically "impossible to continue mythic raids on alliance with almost no one playing"

I know some my friends are hoping to move realm for shadowlands hoping it will be better though I can’t say I have any hope.

As some one who mainly wants to pvp I’m rather resistant to suffer horde quest instead of the instant alliance ones but over all it comes down to if all of my friends give in or not.