You dont seem to understand that construction work is very sensitive to the Business cycle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_cycle
In the past construction companies had a backlog of orders to help them through a depression so needed to have construction workers employed during a recession. Nowadays construction companies simply fill out every order because they can import a large amount of east block labourers . However then recession hits the bulk of the construction workers get fired and the east bloc workers simply return home . This of course is a very good thing for the construction companies and terrible for the workers . I dont know any construction worker that has a contract that last more then 2.5 years.
Having a shortage in construction workers is a good thing!
Their own campaign websites?
Sanders:
Warren:Originally Posted by A Welcoming and Safe America for All
Buttigieg:Originally Posted by A Fair and Welcoming Immigration System
Once again, if you can come here without documentation, stay here without documentation, and eventually even become a citizen without documentation... That's an open border in all but name.Originally Posted by An Immigration Policy for a New Era
When the recession happened construction workers got fired because the housing market collapse and even with the backlog companies were going out of business. The reason we have a shortage of construction workers now is because of what happened during the recession those construction workers moved on and it's now difficult to replace them.
I am not sure what drugs you are on.
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So you cannot read it's called a path to citizenship look it up it's not new as for the detention maybe you want to tell Donald Trump that because catch and release is that in name only. We simply do not have a way to deport all the illegals in the country a path to the citizenship is an answer, I hate yet to see anything viable proposed on the other side as a solution.
Supporting the free movement of labor and capital is batshit insane? Why shouldn't companies be able to hire whom they want?
You are literally complaining that companies want to hire people, and finish more construction projects.
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Thanks for pointing out why government is so fucking terrible.
Meanwhile, gay marriage was banned... nobody was harmed by such an action. Welcome to libertarianism.
Once again no it is not. Not unless you're a particularly Xenophobic person which is not atypical of right wing extremists. Shove the gas lighting open borders non-sense and just admit it you're far more interested in being punitive than reasonable of efficient when it comes to immigration policy.
If not some sort of path to citizenship for say children who lived their entire lives in America and are becoming the very type of college educated person Republicans claim to want then what is your solution? Because based on the line you've drawn the only recourse is spending 100's of billions of mass deportations on millions of people in a system that is already backlogged which is an extremist position lest we have "open borders" as you've single handedly decided to redefine the term. Hell it'll probably cost more than that with Trump's zero tolerance policy meaning we'll have to detain millions while they go through their due process.
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The Bird of Hermes Is My Name, Eating My Wings To Make Me Tame.
First: No, its me pointing out how it is. Either cash is spent lobbying politicians to increase the labour supply, or its spent to compensate people.
Second: I wonder if you'd apply that logic to a marijuana ban, or alcohol prohibition, or banning abortion. I mean I've heard we can't do those things because people will just get them anyway, but I guess we just don't need to consider the efficacy of a law. We are preening and signalling our virtue here. As I stated, the Law is a strange place to turn given how oligarchical the UK, US and EU are. That it essentially relies on Professional Managerial Class bureaucrats to act in the best interests of Proles (Which they have no reason to do unless you believe a college degree confers some sort of moral sensibility which for some reason failed to transfer to most of them). So you become dependent on the legal system and the hands of a separate social class to act in the best interests of socioeconomic inferiors and to not be bribed, corrupted, subverted especially by their fellow class members whom are also deft and understanding and using the levers of the courts and bureaucracy for their advantage?
Labour Unions on the other hand are the workers themselves taking the power into their own hands and ensuring a better set of material conditions for themselves. Why you are allergic to this notion of proles working together in solidarity for their own advancement without being dependent on the largesse of another socioeconomic class which DOESN'T share their material interests is beyond me.
Third: We don't have a shortage of doctors and nurses, we are unwilling to say pay doctors appropriately. Partially because doctors have to face constant import competition thus making the field less attractive and say in the US forcing more specialization to make more money and leading to less General Practitioner doctors since boat loads are brought in. Nurses likewise face the same pressures. Cut the constant boatloads of people and allow those in those fields to collectively bargain for a better deal and more people will take up the mantel of those jobs. I've told you this a before, you just like to ignore.
Finally: Your lack of knowledge of how collective bargaining works is really on you. And surprising for someone presumably to the Left of Ronald Reagan.
Already covered it. But Wage Stagnation is an issue. Okay, so now to see any sort of pay increase the ever increasing masses of people must rely entirely on the political process and byzantine bureaucracy and law (Which most proles don't have degrees in law to really understand) nor have the free time to interface with the courts and bureaucracy to manipulate the process as well as say a Mike Bloomberg can. Rather than you know; wield power themselves and actually collectively bargain and organize for their own material needs.
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If you want to believe that fine by me. Its not my task to educate you on the finer points of economy. But the article clearly demonstrates that reuding migration has a positive effect on the construction workers.
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And you condemn the bulk of the population to abject poverty with your version of capitalism . These same people will get angry after a while and go French revolution on your ass. So yes it is batshit insane what you are doing.
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So where do you draw the line?
This is not a positive. In fact, this will most certainly subject the UK to permanent levels of lower growth even recessions due to the inability to start construction projects, the precursor to economic expansion. The UK leaving the EU will only bring economic malaise to the UK, not prosperity.
First it's what happened you are literally denying reality second the article clearly stated that the increase in wages hasn't helped the shortage. Where do you think the cost of those raises go? You do realize that the UK has a housing problem right? You clearly do not understand the basics of a labor market, economy or real life for that matter.
Let me give you another example of how wrong you are construction wages in the US has continued to increase while we are experiencing a shortage after the recession even with our current immigration policy according to your delusions that should never happen.
You are no different than those who support a UBI, or increasing the minimum wage to a "livable wage.."
If you want to call for a socialist (or national socialist) rebellion, be my guest. Just dont expect me to support it, and expect violent resistance.
We've seen how that plays out.
Ah yes i heard the same BS in 2016 concerning Trump. Didn't happen now did it? But what pisses me of the most is that you are not only pulling facts out of your ass. Your pulling facts out of your ass for ideological reasons. You do not give a damn about the working class . The last 4 years the democrats only achievement is bitching at trump and failed investigations and nothing else. And worse the democratic strongholds of the New york san fransico and portland are complete shitholes. So the left wing is incompetent as well. Why should i take your advice with such sterling credentials.
They aren't suffering, it's just natural movement of the market. Creating a continental union would solve both the problem of anemic annual GDP growth and more demand for jobs across all sectors of the economy. What your espousing would only hinder their efforts even more, since restricting immigration will also contract GDP growth, which has been below average during the Trump Administration.
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It is happening in the UK currently, and it will continue to fester the longer they restrict immigration and distort the market with government intervention.
Of course ! it will take a good decade before the pool of talent is replenished . But its not the problem of the workers that the construction companies where bunch greedy short-sighted fucks.
I value stability over short term gain. The current economic model is not sustainable as people can not get a permanent contract and their fore a loan for houses or cars. So i dont care. If prices are to high they inevitably will be lowered
Are the East bloc countries the same as the Latino countries? oh wait they are not! its not uncommon to see 80% of a construction workforce to consist out of poles Romanians or Tjechs. Different peoples offer different skills. and if this was not you being completely ignorant i would consider your statement to be racist.
in a realistic actual world, not a unicorn filled world like you are stating, most businesses have the ability to hold out a lot longer than the "low income" folks and eventually those people HAVE to take those low pay jobs just to be able to eat and pay for necessities.
That is where we are now. That is why wages at the low end have not increase other than those states that have increased the min wage.
Take out those states and I bet there has been negative growth in that income bracket.
Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!
Shortages are the enemy of long term stability and that's not how prices work, everything will work itself out is an argument against your stance apparently you don't understand irony.
Did you miss the part where I said this is an example of how your economic theories are delusional? Do you simply not understand words on top of reality?Are the East bloc countries the same as the Latino countries? oh wait they are not! its not uncommon to see 80% of a construction workforce to consist out of poles Romanians or Tjechs. Different peoples offer different skills. and if this was not you being completely ignorant i would consider your statement to be racist.