Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Xirrohon]

I like how you ignored the part of my post where I drew a clear distinction between economic policy, and the authoritarian rule and human rights abuses that are the only thing you're attacking.

This is why we can't discuss socialism. Because those of you who're so far down the propaganda rabbit hole can't attack the concept, just the straw man arguments the propaganda has filled you with.

Ah, so youre trying to pick on part of socialism that you think works? I see, so that mean it still works even though its failed everywhere. Even though the China Govt uses all kinds of dirty trade, steals all kind of information and is still paying the tarrifs. I think youre highly overestimating Chinas success. They are hurting bad with the tarriffs. And since they are Communist, the govt is paying the tarriffs straight out.

Still, who cares if their economy is doing well when the QOL sucks? When the govt controls every damn thing. Even the interenet. Heck, you wouldnt even be able to post on MMO-C if you lived in China right now.

[beanman12345]

No...I don't think that at all. That should be your first clue that something may be seriously amiss with your reasoning skills.

You are aware all of those are examples of socialism right?

[DocSavageFan]

If the people want a National Health Service, that is what they want.

Perhaps so. At least up until they point people actually begin to realize what that means.

[beanman12345]

Perhaps so. At least up until they point people actually begin to realize what that means.

well then congrats, based on your link you seem to be one of the 7% of republicans who aren't completely ignorant of what socialism is. congrats on not being a complete retard.

[Inuyaki]

Ah, so youre trying to pick on part of socialism that you think works? I see, so that mean it still works even though its failed everywhere.

Countries that thrived as a social democracy:
Scandinavian countries
European countries (They still fit, though Scandinavia is a bigger success, so I wanted to point them out individually)

Let's just ignore every example that does not fit with your narrative.

Edit
Funnily enough Scandinavian countries actually have a stronger socialistic influence than the rest of Europe...
Just saying

[DocSavageFan]

You are aware all of those are examples of socialism right?

No...I'm ignorant and need to be educated. You're a hoot.

[draynay]

well then congrats, based on your link you seem to be one of the 7% of republicans who aren't completely ignorant of what socialism is. congrats on not being a complete retard.

Don't get ahead of yourself.

[beanman12345]

Don't get ahead of yourself.

I take it back.

[Xirrohon]

Countries that thrived as a social democracy:
Scandinavian countries
European countries (They still fit, though Scandinavia is a bigger success, so I wanted to point them out individually)

Let's just ignore every example that does not fit with your narrative.

Edit
Funnily enough Scandinavian countries actually have a stronger socialistic influence than the rest of Europe...
Just saying

Funny enough the US is still doing better than all of those countries. We set the example. We dont need to follow less established and other failed Socialist/Communist programs.

[DocSavageFan]

well then congrats, based on your link you seem to be one of the 7% of republicans who aren't completely ignorant of what socialism is. congrats on not being a complete retard.

So now I'm not a complete retard? Wow. Just wow.

[Fahrenheit]

Funny enough the US is still doing better than all of those countries. We set the example. We dont need to follow less established and other failed Socialist/Communist programs.

How are we doing better? Be specific.

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I'm not a complete retard? Wow. Just wow.

Don't push it. We've seen the horse shit you post.

[Vash The Stampede]

I don't view him as "a massive threat to democracy", especially not after he got absolutely eviscerated on the debate stage the other night.

Yeah, he's garbage. I think you'll find vanishingly few people with even a lukewarm opinion of Bloomberg in these forums. The most praise I'll give him is that he's at least throwing big money at anti-Trump ads, which help Democrats overall.

If Bloomberg thinks he can buy votes with money then yes he is a threat to Democracy. The whole idea of Democracy is that money shouldn't have voting power, and here we are with Trump, Pete, and now Bloomberg who clearly seem to believe that money does buy votes.

Poll: Sanders Rises, But Socialism Isn't Popular With Most Americans
https://archive.ph/JpxZ3#selection-807.0-807.68

That poll is contradicting. Sanders is rising in the polls but socialism isn't popular with Americans. Then how is Sanders rising in the polls? Nearly everyone paints Sanders as a socialist so either voters don't see him as a socialist or voters don't care that he's a socialist.

Still, who cares if their economy is doing well when the QOL sucks? When the govt controls every damn thing. Even the interenet. Heck, you wouldnt even be able to post on MMO-C if you lived in China right now.

If the economy was doing well then why is Bernie Sanders so popular? Clearly the economy isn't doing as well as the media would like you to think.

[Xirrohon]

If Bloomberg thinks he can buy votes with money then yes he is a threat to Democracy. The whole idea of Democracy is that money shouldn't have voting power, and here we are with Trump, Pete, and now Bloomberg who clearly seem to believe that money does buy votes.


That pool is contradicting. Sanders is rising in the polls but socialism isn't popular with Americans. Then how is Sanders rising in the polls? Nearly everyone paints Sanders as a socialist so either voters don't see him as a socialist or voters don't care that he's a socialist.


If the economy was doing well then why is Bernie Sanders so popular? Clearly the economy isn't doing as well as the media would like you to think.

Haha. Bernie isnt very popular. Maybe among your small circle of people that never talk to anyone outside of this communist forum. If some crazy way, the Dems let him get away with winning (which I highly doubt). He will lose by a landfall. Walter Mondell will be popping his champaign for not being the worst one-sided loss for Presidencey.

You understand that 20% of the people that attend Trump rallies are Dems, right? NVM. of course you dont.

People dont like Bernie, sorry to hurt your feelings, but hes not going to win. He doesnt even want to win.

[Edge-]

Perhaps so. At least up until they point people actually begin to realize what that means.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Health_Service

Under pressure in recent years as a result of economic austerity according to Unite,[42] public satisfaction with the NHS has fallen from 70% in 2010 to 53% in 2018.[43] Public satisfaction with NHS care is more than twice as high as for local authority-funded social care, which stands at 26%. Furthermore, the NHS is consistently ranked as the institution that makes people proudest to be British, beating the Royal family, Armed Forces and the BBC.[44] NHS staff – particularly nurses and doctors – are the most trusted professions in Britain.

What it means is that it's incredibly popular, far more so than the US system, and that it's beloved by its populace?

That sounds terrible.

[beanman12345]

You understand that 20% of the people that attend Trump rallies are Dems, right? NVM. of course you dont.

You actually believe that bullshit? Of course you do, because trump and his campaign never lie right?

[DocSavageFan]

That pool is contradicting. Sanders is rising in the polls but socialism isn't popular with Americans. Then how is Sanders rising in the polls? Nearly everyone paints Sanders as a socialist so either voters don't see him as a socialist or voters don't care that he's a socialist.

Obviously some voters don't care that he's a socialist...however, the operative word here is "some".

Sanders is unelectable....and "most" people get that.

[Xirrohon]

You actually believe that bullshit? Of course you do, because trump and his campaign never lie right?

Um... I know where not going to bring up who has been lying for the last 3 yrs are we? Are you Don Lemon?

[Theodarzna]

Perhaps so. At least up until they point people actually begin to realize what that means.

It means a superior health care system? Our privatized system is junk. Time for America to have an NHS; and stop hassling its citizens with this horrific Lovecraftian nightmare beast we have now.

[Blade Wolf]

Funny enough the US is still doing better than all of those countries. We set the example. We dont need to follow less established and other failed Socialist/Communist programs.

You have 67000 people dying from lack of healthcare each year. The US healthcare system is a fucking objective failure.

[beanman12345]

Um... I know where not going to bring up who has been lying for the last 3 yrs are we? Are you Don Lemon?

17000 lies in 3 years from trump, think on that, if you are capable of doing that.