Ocasio-Cortez endorsez Schumer primary challenger

[Rukh]

https://theintercept.com/2020/02/21/...-texas-senate/

I guess AOC feels that the democrats are in a strong enough position with one half of one branch of government to start eating their own.

Here's Schumer's relative issues map compared to others in congress.



Schumer the vegan "radical liberal" according to Trump. Yeah he's just too moderate for Democrats.




Sometimes progressives seem that they'd rather shoot themselves in the foot and let their causes get utterly destroyed if it means they can shout how ideologically woke they are. Smugness in defeat over partial victory and all that.

It does make me wonder how much hardline progressives actually care about causes or is it just something they base their identity on?

Is someone who will compromise with moderate elements to get most of what they want but not at all at once more moderate than someone who only cares about their virtue signalling and doesn't actually care if progress ever happens?

Edit: well you can't edit titles, dang.

[Elegiac]

If y'all are so interested in political and ideological uniformity might I remind you that the Republican Party is in that direction. *points to stage right*

[Rukh]

If y'all are so interested in political and ideological uniformity might I remind you that the Republican Party is in that direction. *points to stage right*

AOC couldn't become a republican. She may be for hardline ideological uniformity but at least it's about important values and not "Whatever Trump says it's about these days".

[Skroe]

There are days I hate being right.

[Elegiac]

AOC couldn't become a republican. She may be for hardline ideological uniformity but at least it's about important values and not "Whatever Trump says it's about these days".

I'm talking about you people that keep complaining that primary challengers exist in a big tent party.

If you're tired of progressive spoiler votes the answer is "ranked choice voting", not "bitch about how people are trying to mobilise democratically".

Like I said. You want a party in which ideological uniformity is required? The GOP is right there for you.

[NED funded]

The democratic party is going the way of the labor party. The next election will be the largest margin of victory for republicans mostly because people were put off by radical leftists ideology

[Skroe]

If y'all are so interested in political and ideological uniformity might I remind you that the Republican Party is in that direction. *points to stage right*

The Tea Party of the left has a name. Justice Democrats.

It was a matter of time before the political approach Jeremy Corbyn-style leftism made its way across the Atlantic. Extremist groups always go after "the enemy within" first. They can't help themselves. The apostates are worse than the ideological opposite.

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The democratic party is going the way of the labor party. The next election will be the largest margin of victory for republicans mostly because people were put off by radical leftists ideology

Yup.

Trump 2020... god help us all.

[Elegiac]

The Tea Party of the left has a name. Justice Democrats.

It was a matter of time before the political approach Jeremy Corbyn-style leftism made its way across the Atlantic. Extremist groups always go after "the enemy within" first. They can't help themselves. The apostates are worse than the ideological opposite.

Piss off with this nonsense, Skroe. The two situations are not comparable because the US has not had a left wing for nearly half a century now - Corbyn specifically is representative of actual far left politics in the vein of Tony Benn or Gough Whitlam. Not even Saint Sanders is that far gone.

Y'all are freaking out about the reemergence of New Deal Democrats as the second coming of Stalin. It's pathetic, and sad.

[Rukh]

I'm talking about you people that keep complaining that primary challengers exist in a big tent party.

If you're tired of progressive spoiler votes the answer is "ranked choice voting", not "bitch about how people are trying to mobilise democratically".

Like I said. You want a party in which ideological uniformity is required? The GOP is right there for you.

Hey, back on focus. We're talking about Chuck Schumer not being "progressive" enough for these people. The fact is, he's a great guy, he's passionate about issues, and leads well.

What is the point of just endorsing every single challenger? That's real stupid.

[Kronik85]

The current narrative coming out of US politics is that progressives are fucking it up because they won't compromise to get what they want. History disagrees. Progressives aren't getting what they want even with compromise, they can not change the GOP but they can (and are) changing the Democrats. Will it work any time soon? Probably not. Do they gain anything by backing "centrists"? No. Will they benefit from another 4 years of Trump? Probably.

Strategy seems fine for them tbh. Nobody owes the Dems their vote and its about time that learned that lesson.

[Elegiac]

Hey, back on focus. We're talking about Chuck Schumer not being "progressive" enough for these people. The fact is, he's a great guy, he's passionate about issues, and leads well.

I think you misspelled Nancy Pelosi.

Chuck defaulted into his position after Reid bungled his job and has mostly been playing second fiddle to House Leadership and honestly? I'm just waiting until Patty Murray is senior enough to displace him.

What is the point of just endorsing every single challenger? That's real stupid.

AOC has made it quite clear she gives her endorsements to people she agrees with ideologically.

Again, that's a point; you just need to reconcile yourself to the fact you don't like that point, and not liking it doesn't make you better.

[Milchshake]

The Tea Party of the left has a name. Justice Democrats.

It was a matter of time before the political approach Jeremy Corbyn-style leftism made its way across the Atlantic. Extremist groups always go after "the enemy within" first. They can't help themselves. The apostates are worse than the ideological opposite.

Yup.

Trump 2020... god help us all.

Honestly, Justice Democrats is just a dumber version of the Tea Party at this point. It's basically a mega church for the podcast left. Just a dark money group run by TYT.

As a long time socialist im rapidly losing faith in the current cohort.

Socialism always gets stuck in the mode of "grinding old axes" against allies. Purges, Cultural Revolutions, the Jacobin's Terror.
They're always driving the middle class right back into the arms of conservatives or neo-monarchists. FFS

[Rukh]

The current narrative coming out of US politics is that progressives are fucking it up because they won't compromise to get what they want. History disagrees. Progressives aren't getting what they want even with compromise, they can not change the GOP but they can (and are) changing the Democrats. Will it work any time soon? Probably not. Do they gain anything by backing "centrists"? No. Will they benefit from another 4 years of Trump? Probably.

Strategy seems fine for them tbh. Nobody owes the Dems their vote and its about time that learned that lesson.

Nah that's bullshit. When democrats have had the majority in the past, they strongly move the country leftward. Yeah it doesn't literally all happen at once, but expecting it to is nonsense. This is exactly what I was talking about that no amount of ACTUAL movement is good enough for some people, and I wonder if being able to complain is more important than actually achieving goals.

[JohnBrown1917]

Hey, back on focus. We're talking about Chuck Schumer not being "progressive" enough for these people. The fact is, he's a great guy, he's passionate about issues, and leads well.

What is the point of just endorsing every single challenger? That's real stupid.

Shumer is a conservative.

[Elegiac]

Nah that's bullshit. When democrats have had the majority in the past, they strongly move the country leftward.

Citation needed. This hasn't been the case since Reagan was in office.

[Rukh]

I think you misspelled Nancy Pelosi.

Chuck defaulted into his position after Reid bungled his job and has mostly been playing second fiddle to House Leadership and honestly? I'm just waiting until Patty Murray is senior enough to displace him.



AOC has made it quite clear she gives her endorsements to people she agrees with ideologically.

Again, that's a point; you just need to reconcile yourself to the fact you don't like that point, and not liking it doesn't make you better.

Now we've come full-circle.



Not good enough for AOC.


Hmm, who is pushing ideological uniformity? Guess we've caught up to what I already said.

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Shumer is a conservative.

No he's not.

[JohnBrown1917]

Now we've come full-circle.



Not good enough for AOC.


Hmm, who is pushing ideological uniformity? Guess we've caught up to what I already said.

lol putting a dot on some random graph that does not even go beyond liberalism, what a joke.

[Rukh]

lol putting a dot on some random graph that does not even go beyond liberalism, what a joke.

It's from here: https://senate.ontheissues.org/Senat...es_Schumer.htm

It has details of his positions and the position is relative to everyone else in congress. Thanks for asking.

[JohnBrown1917]

No he's not.

Just becease the supposed US conservative party has turned into a fascist party does not mean the US has your standard centre-right conservative-liberals

[solinari6]

The Tea Party of the left has a name. Justice Democrats.

Now that's not really fair. The Tea Party have been proven to be frauds who didn't really care about anything they claimed to. Justice Democrats haven't done that yet.