Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Orbitus]

Can you link me that overall scale you are talking about???

Because I'm sure that Bernie is pretty much on the extremes of socially liberal just by virtue of supporting trans people if we are going on a world scale.

So, supporting trans people, means he is extreme left? So, does that mean everyone else that also supports trans people are extreme left?

[Thepersona]

So, supporting trans people, means he is extreme left? So, does that mean everyone else that also supports trans people are extreme left?

I support LGBTQ+ people... and i'm extreme left. So i supose that i'm the sample size that he/she wants to derive conclussions from?

[nonameelf]

So, supporting trans people, means he is extreme left? So, does that mean everyone else that also supports trans people are extreme left?

TIL Iran is an extreme left government.

[Orbitus]

I support LGBTQ+ people... and i'm extreme left. So i supose that i'm the sample size that he/she wants to derive conclussions from?

It really isn't surprising why he defends Trump all he can. Trump hates gays and trans people too.

[Thepersona]

It really isn't surprising why he defends Trump all he can. Trump hates gays and trans people too.

And lesbians! He hates that a woman is not interested in (his) penis. I know that he feels that as a personal attack.

[nonameelf]

And lesbians! He hates that a woman is not interested in (his) penis. I know that he feels that as a personal attack.

Everyone likes the lesbian porn, but then gets mad when the lesbians don't want dick.

[NED funded]

So, supporting trans people, means he is extreme left? So, does that mean everyone else that also supports trans people are extreme left?

No????

The point was that if you are using a global scale support for trans rights puts you on the fringes of socially liberal issues.

You can travel to Mexico pr Chile and test this yourself.

[cubby]

The Democrat establishment probably doesn't want to do any favors for the outsider who snubbed them for decades and then usurped control of their party... And that's assuming they even gain control of both houses.

Ah, right - good point. It will be interesting to see what happens to the Democratic Party if a non-democrat becomes it's leader. It sure as shit isn't fairing well for the GOP.

[NED funded]

TIL Iran is an extreme left government.

The only reason Iran does this is because they literally kill gay people.

Not exactly a great example LMAO

[Thepersona]

No????

The point was that if you are using a global scale support for trans rights puts you on the fringes of socially liberal issues.

You can travel to Mexico pr Chile and test this yourself.

Here in chile we're much more conservative when talking about social issues. Here gay marriage is still not legal, and just a few months ago the gender change (in our id) was approved. Abortion is still not legal (apart from rape, unviability of the foetus or a health risk for the mother)
Now, our country is much MUCH more to the left than the US on economic issues, and i consider my country a bastion of neoliberalism. Bernie policies would feel at home here, because we already have public healthcare, and "free" college for the 60% poorest.
If you even entertained the idea of privatizing all of healthcare in my country, be prepared to see santiago and valparaiso burn for the foreseeable future.

[Fugus]

Ah, right - good point. It will be interesting to see what happens to the Democratic Party if a non-democrat becomes it's leader. It sure as shit isn't fairing well for the GOP.

Well, when it comes to the republicans, they created that monster for themselves.

When they gerrymandered to give themselves an unfair advantage, they also amplified the impact of their fringe within it. Then you combine that with how they keep lying to their base and this is what they created.

Trumps base are literally going on everything Fox has told them along with every lie their own people created for them. Then with the gerrymandering giving the more crazy part more power than they should. This is what they get.

As far as a non-Democrat becoming the leader, are their votes going on facts and reason or lies and fear?

[cubby]

Of course it is a reason - the federal government being within a state would give that state a first-among-equals status politically and juridically in the Union. It's why the home-rule district clause even exists and why the district even exists. And if that little square of wet dirt wants to be a state and rely on having... well, some commercial shipping as its economy, without the federal government in it? Maybe Smithsonian tourism? It's more than welcome to try. But it will never be a state while it is the seat of the federal government. Ever.

No, it really wouldn't. That's your opinion, and so far, the people of D.C. would disagree with their "status". I love that you say "never" when so many people are talking about doing it. I guess you know better than all those professional lawmakers?

Could you post or cite anything that backs up your claims? You're pushing some heavy theory without any back up.

Very good point about their economy - I hate to admit it, but that never occurred to me - that they would have to generate their own funds (so to speak) if they became a state. Hmmmmm.

Lol, did you even read the entry? 54% voted against change-of-status, and it's only a majority of that 46% minority that supported statehood among the alternatives if they changed. 61% of 46% is... what 27.6% of all voters in the 2017 referendum that wanted statehood? And in a very low turnout event?

Yeah, I read it - apparently you didn't. You got the math all wrong, AND you misunderstood the wording of the resolution. The data backs up Puerto Rico wanting to become a state. Here's a bit you might want to reread:

On December 11, 2012, the Legislative Assembly of Puerto Rico enacted a concurrent resolution requesting the President and the Congress of the United States to respond diligently and effectively on the demand of the people of Puerto Rico to end its current political status and to begin the transition of Puerto Rico to become a state of the union.

[Orbitus]

No????

The point was that if you are using a global scale support for trans rights puts you on the fringes of socially liberal issues.

You can travel to Mexico pr Chile and test this yourself.

You said he was extreme left because he supported Trans people. These are your words not mine.

[cubby]

Well, when it comes to the republicans, they created that monster for themselves.

When they gerrymandered to give themselves an unfair advantage, they also amplified the impact of their fringe within it. Then you combine that with how they keep lying to their base and this is what they created.

Trumps base are literally going on everything Fox has told them along with every lie their own people created for them. Then with the gerrymandering giving the more crazy part more power than they should. This is what they get.

As far as a non-Democrat becoming the leader, are their votes going on facts and reason or lies and fear?

I'm not sure how big you think Fox News audience is, but it doesn't compromise 35% of the voting population of the United States. Your train of thought above does not reach the conclusion you claim.

And I'm not saying that Bernie will turn out to be Donnie Dumb Dumb. But Bernie isn't a Democrat.

[NED funded]

You said he was extreme left because he supported Trans people. These are your words not mine.

These were my words:

Because I'm sure that Bernie is pretty much on the extremes of socially liberal just by virtue of supporting trans people if we are going on a world scale.

The point was simply to show that using overall scale is pretty bs when on a world scale a lot of the stuff we consider normal are actually pretty fringe positions.

Its funny seeing the deranged leftists trying to cancel me over that tho
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[Orbitus]

These were my words:



The point was simply to show that using overall scale is pretty bs when on a world scale a lot of the stuff we consider normal are actually pretty fringe positions.

Its funny seeing the deranged leftists trying to cancel me over that tho

Wait, you think people are trying to cancel you? WHERE? And calling me deranged? Yeah, that will win your argument.

[Lenonis]

Why do you think he will face an obstructionist Congress? Or do mean the Senate specifically?

(not being nitpicky - just wasn't sure if you meant Congress as the House or Congress as in the entire branch of government, House and Senate)

Well I more meant the Senate but it could also be the house too, especially after his first midterms. In either case he'll have republicans and moderate and blue dog dems to deal with.

[Fugus]

I'm not sure how big you think Fox News audience is, but it doesn't compromise 35% of the voting population of the United States. Your train of thought above does not reach the conclusion you claim.

And I'm not saying that Bernie will turn out to be Donnie Dumb Dumb. But Bernie isn't a Democrat.

I am not talking about just FOX news, i am talking about that combined with gerrymandering. Gerrymandering is a huge deal in that regard as well. It also has the knock-on effect of the other side being less wanting to come out when their votes don't matter as much as well while amplifying the extremist section.

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Do you really think the extremists would have near the impact they do without gerrymandering at either the state or national level?

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Also, what percentage of voters actually use Fox or similar sources as their primary news source? Have trouble finding that myself.

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[JohnBrown1917]

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I love Sanders even more now.