Russia Interference in the 2020 Election

[arandomuser]

This!

People forgot that their goal is to divide the parties and get America fighting eachother. By pretending to be "supporters" while being as toxic as possible to the other side... doesn't matter which side, the goal is to subvert and divide because that's how they get Dump Re-Elected, by dividing the opposition.

It will also greatly exacerbate our culture war, having someone like bernie whos fought for racial justice and equality his whole life vs someone who calls african americans "low IQ' and you can bet that ohio michigan and pennsylvania will choose the latter side, thats why i was kinda hoping bloomberg would get in because he could win those racially res... i mean "economically anxious" voters. But then again they have the original guy trump why would they even change over? So in the end ive come around, and on this whole russian interference thing bernie has responded 100x better than trump, he calls putin an authoritarian thug, says he dosent want him in our election in ANY way, and vows to enact policy to secure our elections, vs trump who said "id definitely take their help"

[Rukh]

This!

People forgot that their goal is to divide the parties and get America fighting eachother. By pretending to be "supporters" while being as toxic as possible to the other side... doesn't matter which side, the goal is to subvert and divide because that's how they get Dump Re-Elected, by dividing the opposition.

This is exactly the point. People focus on the fact that it was announced that Russia was helping Sanders, and Trump may have had that released in order to hurt Sanders, but the act itself of "helping" sanders was also to achieve a goal, and likely that was to make sanders supporters extremely toxic towards the Democratic party, which hurts Sanders in the general (when he's running as the Democratic candidate and all these people just remember how many times The DNC is corrupt! has been parroted to them. "I can't vote for Sanders, the democrats are corrupt!"), and hurts senate chances.

[GreenJesus]

It will also greatly exacerbate our culture war, having someone like bernie whos fought for racial justice and equality his whole life vs someone who calls african americans "low IQ' and you can bet that ohio michigan and pennsylvania will choose the latter side, thats why i was kinda hoping bloomberg would get in because he could win those racially res... i mean "economically anxious" voters. But then again they have the original guy trump why would they even change over? So in the end ive come around, and on this whole russian interference thing bernie has responded 100x better than trump, he calls putin an authoritarian thug, says he dosent want him in our election in ANY way, and vows to enact policy to secure our elections, vs trump who said "id definitely take their help"

The whole thing about "Russia is trying to help bernie" is such a stupid talking point. Who knows the reason WHY they are even trying to? As long as the candidate doesnt accept the help and tries to reject it what are they supposed to do? It's out of their control. Maybe Russia is trying to just appear to help sanders so that Democrats get turned off from him and vote for someone else. Or so that trump can say "see? Both sides!" Who knows.

[starlord]

This is exactly the point. People focus on the fact that it was announced that Russia was helping Sanders, and Trump may have had that released in order to hurt Sanders, but the act itself of "helping" sanders was also to achieve a goal, and likely that was to make sanders supporters extremely toxic towards the Democratic party, which hurts Sanders in the general (when he's running as the Democratic candidate and all these people just remember how many times The DNC is corrupt! has been parroted to them. "I can't vote for Sanders, the democrats are corrupt!"), and hurts senate chances.

well that propaganda has been pretty effective since nearly every bernie supporter here parrots it on the regular.

[Paranoid Android]

The national security official I trust had some tough words for NSA Robert O’Brien’s comments about @BernieSanders on abc news, which contradict US intel —

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https://twitter.com/jaketapper/statu...009132546?s=19

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2/ “There are these reports that they want Bernie Sanders to get elected president," O'Brien said. "That's no surprise. He honeymooned in Moscow."

That’s not what the intel says, the official told me, also taking issue with the political nature of the comments.

So this is a blatant partisan attack by making the honeymoon comment. No surprise.

3/ The report in the Washington Post, which broke the story, stated not that the Russians want Sanders to get election president, but rather that "Russia is attempting to help his presidential campaign as part of an effort to interfere with the Democratic contest."

So this is likely the reason. Many have stated as above its likely Russia is pushing Bernie for a) Bernie definitely is an unstable force in the Democrat nomination atm and b) a little more out there but a belief Bernie may help Trump.

Gee, I'm sure Trump will do everything in his power to stop this interference.

Now being such a Woke Independent, I hope Bernie is stopping as much as possible.

[Donatello Trumpi]

Sundar Pichai, CEO of google, says that russians spent 4700$ on the 2016 election.
Jesus christ, imagine if they spent more than 6k on 2020!

This whole democratic clown fiesta ist just getting more and more amusing.

[Shadowferal]

All the fools that say "better Russian than a democrat" will likely take another look at Sanders.

[cubby]

and now this:

Trump: Democrats 'trying to start a rumor' about 2020 Russian interference

LOL

It's amazing how much he shits all over the intelligence services.

[ati87]

Such massive scale! It doesn't take into account spendings on Facebook though. I think it was just below 100k.

It is pennies in comparison to what US is spending on influencing elections in other countries and nothing compared to billions spent by US politicians on 2016 elections.

I wonder how much Israel and Saudis have spent on 2016 elections in forms of donations to various "charities", candidates and advertisements.

I kind of doubt this number since knowing google and fb they would only tell the public about payments that they can directly link to the Russian government.
Regardless though, the support of the Russian government goes further then just some adds and the real value comes from the fact that the right-wing candidates welcome the interference of the Russian government and as a result amplify it.

When the GOP repeats Russian talking points which are by itself already baseless then the ROI is pretty high.

[SoulForge]

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/statu...009132546?s=19
So this is a blatant partisan attack by making the honeymoon comment. No surprise.

Its also hilarious because of the group of GOP Congress critters that went to Russia over the 4th of July Weekend.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Seems funny to me, Russia is influencing every candidate the DNC doesn't like according to the intelligence communities that have NO bias what-so-ever. But hey if you know you don't have a viable excuse this time, because of delegates, there is always Russia am I right?

It might have something to do with the fact that Democrat policy is the only one that's harsh on Russia being assholes to every country, you know, sanctions and stuff, meanwhile Republicans are more than happy to bend over for Russia. But hey, this must all be FAKE NUUS because anything the intelligence community says is obviously just the Democrats being salty because they lost.

Every time some schmuck on these forums says something snarky about Democrats complaining about Russia, I have to wonder where they were when Republicans were crying about Obama being a Kenyan Muslim, Benghazi, Mustardgate, EMAAAAAAAAILS and every other way in which Republicans were salty they were losing.

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Sundar Pichai, CEO of google, says that russians spent 4700$ on the 2016 election.
Jesus christ, imagine if they spent more than 6k on 2020!

This whole democratic clown fiesta ist just getting more and more amusing.

Ah yes, the ad placement numbers. It seems silly that people forget that Russia has massive online troll farms too, something that can't actually be measured within the US, given it's just Russians sitting in an office all day posting shit on twitter and facebook.

Should the day ever come that the EU or some other country props up a progressive socialist, I look forward to all of the conservative tears about outside election interference, after pretending they didn't care when getting outside help.

US politics has always been a great balancing act. Conservatives get to pretend to be high and mighty now, but when Democrats take back over and the pendulum swings against Conservatives, this forum will be filled to the brim with their tears. Don't think I won't savor it greatly.

[Levelfive]

I kind of doubt this number since knowing google and fb they would only tell the public about payments that they can directly link to the Russian government.
Regardless though, the support of the Russian government goes further then just some adds and the real value comes from the fact that the right-wing candidates welcome the interference of the Russian government and as a result amplify it.

When the GOP repeats Russian talking points which are by itself already baseless then the ROI is pretty high.

Per the Mueller Report, the IRA alone was spending more than a million dollars on ad campaigns per month.

[Odinfrost]

This one is for all you peeps saying that "russian interference" is a Democrat boogieman to taint Sanders, and to those of you who thinks that the Democrats (or Sanders in this case) would actually accept this kind of bullshit.

Of course the Kremlin denies it, because whether the accusations are true or not OF COURSE they do. Meanwhile, Trump calls it a rumor, because when Russia interefered the last 2 major elections (2016, 2018) and got away with it, why would they ever think of doing it this time around?

Something something, not learning from history, something something, doomed to repeat it.
So... Has something been learned this time around?

[Grapemask]

Sundar Pichai, CEO of google, says that russians spent 4700$ on the 2016 election.
Jesus christ, imagine if they spent more than 6k on 2020!

This whole democratic clown fiesta ist just getting more and more amusing.

This is a nonsense method of trying to "debunk" Russia's interference.

Russia does not need to pay money to interfere. Do you pay Google to link to your webpages? Do you pay Facebook to share and like your posts? Do you pay Twitter to retweet your messages? Sure, they all have microtransactions to increase your visibility. But that's unnecessary if you're able to go viral, and if you need assistance going viral, that's indicative of your campaign being unsuccessful.

Russia's interference is about making these latent webs of misinformation stand on their own. We track bot nets across all of these platforms that do nothing but rack up followers and then pump out messages. We know specific agents who present specific narratives in a fluid way. We've unearthed Russian operatives who spent years building a following before turning to their messaging campaign against that following. If you doubt that they do this, just turn around and remember that your favorite place, 4chan, does this for the lols as well all the time - you have entire communities based on this behavior. You think 13 year olds can do it, but Russians are too stupid? Of fucking course not. Keurig does it to sell fucking coffee makers. That is the world we live in.

The whole thing about "Russia is trying to help bernie" is such a stupid talking point. Who knows the reason WHY they are even trying to? As long as the candidate doesnt accept the help and tries to reject it what are they supposed to do? It's out of their control. Maybe Russia is trying to just appear to help sanders so that Democrats get turned off from him and vote for someone else. Or so that trump can say "see? Both sides!" Who knows.

No joke, I've seen more than a small number of people who think Bernie Sanders should drop out because Russia has targeted him. Apparently, if Russia ever wanted to really back a Republican, they should just try to boost the campaigns of every democrat so they all drop out.

[Eviscero]

No joke, I've seen more than a small number of people who think Bernie Sanders should drop out because Russia has targeted him. Apparently, if Russia ever wanted to really back a Republican, they should just try to boost the campaigns of every democrat so they all drop out.

He should drop out because he will hand Trump another four years, if he is the nominee.

[Grapemask]

He should drop out because he will hand Trump another four years, if he is the nominee.

Just like Trump handed democrats the presidency by being the nominee. President Clinton's been such a blessing.

[GreenJesus]

He should drop out because he will hand Trump another four years, if he is the nominee.

There is no evidence of this. He performs just as well if not better than all the other candidates in polling in a 1v1 match up. This is just the establishment talking point using outdated norms.

[Rennadrel]

Err no pushing for Bernie is the Russian strategy to divide the democratic party and help Trump win they pulled the same stunt in 2016 as per the Mueller report.

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If it doesn't work why is Donald Trump spending so much money on it? In 2016 the Trump campaign stated it was the key to our success.

If the Democrats are dumb enough to nominate someone other than Sanders, they deserve to lose the election, imo.

[Levelfive]

If the Democrats are dumb enough to nominate someone other than Sanders, they deserve to lose the election, imo.

This is unforgivably shortsighted at this point.

[Draco-Onis]

This is unforgivably shortsighted at this point.

Yet true if Bernie wins the most votes in the primaries but doesn't get the nomination the democratic party will implode. It's basically a huge betrayal you cannot be the party that rails against gerrymandering and the electoral college and do something like that. Heck I don't even know why they are still holding caucuses it's a little hypocritical but I understand that's more of a state party issue.