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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Bernie sure fucked up his interview with CNN. Can't answer substantial answers on policy costs and I guess said Castro was great.

    What. The. Holy. Fuck.

    The interview transcripts are dogshit too. He needs to up his fucking game and stop citing communist dictators as good people.
    Warren did a breakdown on how she will pay for her M4A program. Look at her standing now. Unfortunately, in political campaign, sound bytes are worth a lot more than detailed numerical analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    Wrong.
    Is that a national poll?

    I think we need to be very very very careful about interpreting national polls in what is essentially a state-by-state contest. It's what smacked the Dems up the head in 2016.
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    if there happens to be a recession in between 2020, which hopefully there isnt, but people have been forecasting one for a long time, it would help bernies case because his whole thing is the billionaires rigged the economy in their favor at the expense of average americans, but americans are short sighted, i think i read somewhere that trumps economic approval was 60% and bush had very similar approval overall to trump, but the economy held until he was at the end of his 2nd term, which then of course fox news blamed obama for 8 years, but it seems inevitable that republican policies cause a boom/bust cycle, theres a short term boom because the market is flooded with extra capital, but eventually it busts because of there unwilingness to check bad corporate behavior because they have people like former goldman sachs execs in their cabinet..., and americans never make the connection nor care to do so, its just an uphill battle for any democrat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    Is that a national poll?

    I think we need to be very very very careful about interpreting national polls in what is essentially a state-by-state contest. It's what smacked the Dems up the head in 2016.
    I will say this like I say every time it's way too early to take polls seriously otherwise we would be talking about president Hillary from 2008 and John Kerry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    This is great.... You were on a tangent because some of Bernie supporters wouldn't blindly vote for another candidate if they won the primaries.... Yet here you are saying why you won't vote for Bernie if he wins the primary.
    Bernie is an octogenarian who has had a heard attack that required stent placement and who is refusing to release his medical records, to boot. The chance of him dying in office is not insignificant enough for his VP pick to take on importance as it did with McCain.

    So a ticket that could potentially see a Gabbard administration? Absolutely not.

    Also lol @ all the people saying brocialism is made up when y'all can literally read my signature.
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    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Bernie is an octogenarian who has had a heard attack that required stent placement and who is refusing to release his medical records, to boot. The chance of him dying in office is not insignificant enough for his VP pick to take on importance as it did with McCain.

    So a ticket that could potentially see a Gabbard administration? Absolutely not.

    Also lol @ all the people saying brocialism is made up when y'all can literally read my signature.
    Your sig explains what exactly? And "Brocialism" seems to be a new Neo-Lib term for Class Centric Socialism.... or as it used to be called... Socialism.
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    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    if there happens to be a recession in between 2020, which hopefully there isnt, but people have been forecasting one for a long time, it would help bernies case because his whole thing is the billionaires rigged the economy in their favor at the expense of average americans, but americans are short sighted, i think i read somewhere that trumps economic approval was 60% and bush had very similar approval overall to trump, but the economy held until he was at the end of his 2nd term, which then of course fox news blamed obama for 8 years, but it seems inevitable that republican policies cause a boom/bust cycle, theres a short term boom because the market is flooded with extra capital, but eventually it busts because of there unwilingness to check bad corporate behavior because they have people like former goldman sachs execs in their cabinet..., and americans never make the connection nor care to do so, its just an uphill battle for any democrat.
    "Recession any day now!"

    Since 2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhatconcerned View Post
    "Recession any day now!"

    Since 2016
    Yep. Because the longer we go without one, the bigger the market bubbles get and the bigger the crash will be.

    And let's not forget that the Fed has admitted thanks to Trump's policies they no longer have any tools left to counteract a recession monetarily. Meaning that a very bad will be entirely on the administration and McConnell.

    Y'all should have just left the financial market stay regulated, but your rich friends needed to make a buck I guess.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhatconcerned View Post
    "Recession any day now!"

    Since 2016
    i mean thatis 100% true though, even if you like the presidents policies, there could be one tommorow, or 20 years from now, theyve never been perfectly predicted but they are inevitable, but there is signs economist look for, such as an inverted yield curve which appeared last october, would you disagree that a resecession will come within the future? But then again economist are part of the liberal elite and they hated bush too so much they said he would crash the economy guess we just cant trust liberal bias better go turn on one america news network

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    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    which then of course fox news blamed obama for 8 years
    It's already Starting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    i mean thatis 100% true though, even if you like the presidents policies, there could be one tommorow, or 20 years from now, theyve never been perfectly predicted but they are inevitable, but there is signs economist look for, such as an inverted yield curve which appeared last october, would you disagree that a resecession will come within the future? But then again economist are part of the liberal elite and they hated bush too so much they said he would crash the economy guess we just cant trust liberal bias better go turn on one america news network
    If I were Trump I'd be more worried above the Coronvirus. Its right on track for turning into a global pandemic and the WHO is explicitly warning about it now as well.

    All of us average wage-slaves need to be worried about it too.
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    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    If I were Trump I'd be more worried above the Coronvirus. Its right on track for turning into a global pandemic and the WHO is explicitly warning about it now as well.

    All of us average wage-slaves need to be worried about it too.
    real danger in America of people not going to the Doc's because it costs too much and spreading it around. Hopefully it doesnt get anywhere near that but America for profit system is a massive problem when it comes to public health emergencys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    It is funny you think the Castro shit is anything but a non-starter against Trump who literally is beholden to PUTIN. Putin literally owns his ass with all the loans and money Russia gives him. And his comments about Castro were NOTHING compared to what Trump has said about Putin.
    But that doesn't matter. Trump's idiocy is irrelevant. You can't compare Trump to the Dem candidate. It's a matter of how many swing voters the Dem candidate can bring over, as well as inspiring to get the vote out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    If I were Trump I'd be more worried above the Coronvirus. Its right on track for turning into a global pandemic and the WHO is explicitly warning about it now as well.

    All of us average wage-slaves need to be worried about it too.
    well it is suprising he was one of the people during the none pandemic ebola situation saying obama was endagering everyone for not closing the borders and banning travel, but i think as president he was told doing that with china would hurt the economy and make his image look bad, i think he definitely on a personal level would love to do a china ban, but anyways even though the virus is out of his control, if it causes an economic downturn it dispels the myth he sold to his supporters that we dont need china at all and we can just easily replace all of their manufacturing
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    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    i mean thatis 100% true though, even if you like the presidents policies, there could be one tommorow, or 20 years from now, theyve never been perfectly predicted but they are inevitable, but there is signs economist look for, such as an inverted yield curve which appeared last october, would you disagree that a resecession will come within the future? But then again economist are part of the liberal elite and they hated bush too so much they said he would crash the economy guess we just cant trust liberal bias better go turn on one america news network
    Bush DID crash the economy. It was called the Mancession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    Bush DID crash the economy. It was called the Mancession.
    that part was sarcasm thats why i did the eye rolling emoji aftewards

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    Even if Bernie really wins the election his policies will not be approved by Congress. People just like to hear nice promises but at the end of the day there will be heavy burdens to pay for all the welfare. Bernie is a man with integrity but his policies are quite unrealistic. Still, I'd prefer him over Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    Warren did a breakdown on how she will pay for her M4A program. Look at her standing now. Unfortunately, in political campaign, sound bytes are worth a lot more than detailed numerical analysis.
    Then he should have had coherent sound bytes. He fucked it up entirely. Bad answer, and sounded bad as well.

    Look - I'm not bashing on him in the way Bernie supporters think, I'm just pointing out that if Sanders is going to be the Dem candidate, he needs to step the fuck up, and not sound like an idiot when being interviewed on his own policy positions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    Is that a national poll?

    I think we need to be very very very careful about interpreting national polls in what is essentially a state-by-state contest. It's what smacked the Dems up the head in 2016.
    No one should pay attention to ANY national poll comparing Trump to anyone else. So much will happen before then, including the Olympics (where Trump will invariably fuck up something Yugely) and the Democratic National Convention, where the party will unite.

    It's been reported that Obama will be coming out strong for whomever the nominee is, attempting to unite the party and make a huge surge. National polls on head-to-head vs Trump are worthless until then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    that part was sarcasm thats why i did the eye rolling emoji aftewards
    Sorry. Now that I reread your post, what you wrote was clear, what I read was incorrect.

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    Democrats view Sanders as having best shot to defeat Trump: poll

    A plurality of Democrats believe that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has the best shot at defeating President Trump in November, according to a new national poll.

    The latest Morning Consult survey, which was conducted after Sanders’s dominant victory in the Nevada caucuses, found 33 percent of Democrats view Sanders as the best candidate they could put up in a head-to-head match-up against Trump.

    Twenty-three percent of polled Democrats said former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg would do best against Trump, and 18 percent said former Vice President Joe Biden.

    The new poll comes amid warnings from some establishment Democrats that Sanders will lead the party to a historic defeat if he is the nominee.

    However, most national polls find Sanders leading Trump in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up.

    The Morning Consult poll also found Sanders overtaking Biden among black voters nationally for the first time. One-third of black Democratic voters said they support Sanders, compared with 29 percent for Biden.

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