Then its not p2w. Unless that advantage is something they cannot earn in game, then its not p2w. Its pay for convenience.
Saying "the player still needs to play to win" is like saying you still need to breath to live. No point in spending money in a game if you don't intend to actually play the darn thing.
But, you don't. Its not an advantage in PvP unless you're skilled already and took the needed time to get the resistance to use the gear without being killed by it.
Most people define it as getting an impactful advantage that unfairly improves your chances of winning.
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The point was about the time consumption to get the specific piece.
Twilight Devastation is by far the best M+ corruption for many specs (if not all, im not sure).
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But that's besides the point.
False.
It's not about the corruption gear. It's about the ease of obtaining gold. One of the fundamental flaws in the "Tokens are p2w" is the unfounded assumption that tokens represent the preferred method of acquiring gold. They are not. And they cannot be based on the way in which tokens actually work - in that the gold actually comes from other players.
The prices of corruption gear are not set according to what people who buy tokens are likely to have - they're set according to what people who are good at making gold in the game are likely to pay.
If I am making 10M gold a month off the AH and I use that gold to buy a bunch of powerful BoE's that is not p2w. And honestly, I am not going to give a shit about anyone who depends on tokens for gold, my real competition in buying that epic is going to be from other AH goblins.
This discussion would be very different if Blizzard sold gold directly (eg 1M gold for $10), or if they sold BoE's directly (eg $50 for a BiS BoE). But they don't. The system they have in the actual game is very different, on a number of fundamental levels, to p2w
I think P2W is only a thing in pvp games, personally. If someone wants to spend 5000$ or play 24 hours a day to kill a boss faster, I really don't care, nice dedication bro.
But if I'm starting a pvp season and then someone appears with some OP stuff they bought from an in game store while I have to go grind for it and kills me 10 times in a row, then yeah, that's just cheating. You've never really been able to do that in WoW to any consequence, so no, not P2W.
P2W in WoW is like someone who bought an account that was parked at 2k with full pvp set getting carried to Glad, which is highly frowned upon.
the specific piece is useless if you have few few "worse" pieces, which you get incredibly easily...
thats why there is corruption and bad effects and ressistance, you could get 5 pieces of gear with devastation and they would be USELESS, as you can only equip one (unless you want to top the corruption and die of slight breeze)
I am probably wrong but in my mind people who buy 470+ gear at AH are players that don’t play tons of hours per week.
I play one hour per day and not even all day, all I get more or less for sure is the 460 +9 chest every Wednesday.
People playing 4-5 hours per day all days do not need to buy anything, probably.
But we are derailing. Technically it’s possible to buy huge upgrades with real money. For me it’s a non issue given the cost and the fact that boes are rarer than a 0,1% mount drop, but it’s indeed possible.
Simple awnser; No it’s not pay to win. And never will be. Anyone thinking it is is just a dumb person. Giving alternative methods on how to obtain something is not by definition p2w. When the only method on obtaining an abbilty/item that increases your power thats p2w. Which wow does not have. So close this thread. And move on
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For me Twilight Devastation is much much better than any other corruption (also per 1 corruption) in M+. The difference between having that corruption or not, is huge. I need that corruption to be really competitive in high keys, and it can potentially take me a long time to get it.