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    This is from reddit, but it sums up Bloombergs problems perfectly.




    ●● Bloomberg is a fraud. ●●

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    ●● Bloomberg doesn't relate to the majority of Americans ●● [1]

    ● "There's a way to slowly decrease the benefits or slowly raise the eligibility age for medicare and social security, there's ways to have more co-pay on medicaid which will two things. 1) the users will pay a little more but 2) they'll think twice before they use services" - Michael Bloomberg, Mar 29 2012 [2]

    ● "It is about as dumb a policy as I can think of" [raising taxes on those earning more than $500,000 to fund pre-K programs] - Michael Bloomberg, Oct 8 2012 [3]

    ● "I, for example, am not in favor, have never been in favor of raising the minimum wage" - Michael Bloomberg, Jul 29 2015 [4]

    ● 'I could teach anybody — even people in this room, no offense intended — to be a farmer. It’s a... you dig a hole, you put a seed in, you put dirt on top, add water, up comes the corn." - Michael Bloomberg, Nov 17 2016 [5]

    ● "If you show up, with prostate cancer. You're... 95 years old, we should say have a nice life, there's no cure, we can't do anything." - Michael Bloomberg [6]

    ● "[If I had the ability] to design the system... you would say we're going to cut the number of teachers in half, you would double the compensation of them, and you would weed out all of the bad ones, just have good teachers. Double the class size with a better teacher is a good deal for the students" - Michael Bloomberg [7]

    Jan 1 2007 - Dec 31 2013. Bloomberg compared teacher and civil liberties unions to NRA extremists [8]

    Nov 17 2008. Bloomberg blamed the poor for causing the 2008 economic collapse [9]

    Mar 20 2012. Mayor Bloomberg banned food donations to homeless shelters [10]

    May 31 2012. Mayor Bloomberg vetoed, then refused to enforce, a living wage bill passed by the New York City Council [11]

    Jan 1 2020 - Ongoing. Bloomberg owns more wealth than 125 million Americans, combined [12]

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    ●● Bloomberg is not running an honorable campaign ●● [13]

    ● "[I couldn't run for President] unless I was willing to change all my views" - Michael Bloomberg [14]

    ● "There was a guy, Bernie Sanders, who would have beaten Donald Trump. The polls show he would have walked away with it." - Michael Bloomberg [15]

    Nov 21 2019 - Jan 31 2020. Bloomberg has spent at least $450 million on ads since launching his campaign [16]

    Jan 31 2020. The DNC removed a debate rule that allowed Bloomberg to participate in the ninth debate, after missing the first eight [17]

    Feb 1 2020 - Ongoing. Bloomberg is paying hundreds of influencers to post endorsements and send friends positive messages about him [18] [19]

    Feb 19 2020. Bloomberg doctored a segment of the 2020 Democratic debate to make himself look good [20]

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    ●● Bloomberg is racist ●● [21]

    ● "There’s this enormous cohort of black and Latino males aged, let’s say, 16 to 25 that don’t have jobs, don’t have any prospects, don’t know how to find jobs, don’t know that the — what their skill sets are, don’t know how to behave in the workplace, where they have to work collaboratively and collectively" - Michael Bloomberg, Aug 4 2011 [22]

    ● "95% of your murders and murderers and murder victims fit one M.O. You can just take the description and Xerox it and pass it out to all the cops. They are male minorities 15 to 25." - Michael Bloomberg, Feb 5 2015 [23]

    ● "[You don't need a nanny], all you need is some black who doesn’t have to speak English to rescue it [your baby] from a burning building." - Michael Bloomberg [24]

    ● "I think we disproportionately stop whites too much and minorities too little" - Michael Bloomberg [25]

    ● "I would argue that today we are more segregated in America certainly than we were in terms of race than we were a dozen years ago. And yet, we're just finishing up eight years with our first black President. Why are we more separated than we were before. That is the question ... ask the President [Obama] that's his job." - Michael Bloomberg [26]

    ● "The way you get guns out of minorities’ hands is to throw them up against the wall and frisk them" - Michael Bloomberg [8]

    Jan 1 2002 - Dec 31 2013. Bloomberg implemented stop and frisk as NYC mayor [27]

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    ●● Bloomberg is sexist ●● [28]

    ● "All of you girls line up to give him [oral sex] as a wedding present." - Michael Bloomberg, Jan 1 1989 [24]

    ● "What the hell did you do a thing like that [get pregnant] for?" - Michael Bloomberg [24]

    ● "Kill it [your baby]! Great! Number 16 [women who are pregnant or new mothers at the company]!" - Michael Bloomberg [24]

    ● "And Mike [Bloomberg] came out and I remember he said, ‘Are you going to kill it [abort the pregnancy]?’ And that stopped everything. And I couldn’t believe it." - David Zielenziger [24]

    ● "I’d like to do that piece of meat." - Michael Bloomberg [24]

    ● "If women wanted to be appreciated for their brains, they’d go to the library instead of to Bloomingdale’s" - Michael Bloomberg [29]

    ● "I know for a fact that any self-respecting woman who walks past a construction site and doesn’t get a whistle will turn around and walk past again and again until she does get one." - Michael Bloomberg [29]

    ● "What a bunch of misfits [the British royal family] — a gay, an architect, that horsey faced lesbian, and a kid who gave up Koo Stark for some fat broad." - Michael Bloomberg [29]

    ● "What, is the guy dumb and blind? What the hell is he marrying you for?" - Michael Bloomberg [29]

    ● "If your conversation during a presidential election is about some guy wearing a dress and whether he, she, or it can go to the locker room with their daughter, that’s not a winning formula for most people" - Michael Bloomberg [29]

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    ●● Bloomberg is out of touch with younger generations ●● [30]

    ● "[Y]oung people listened to [Bernie Sanders] and they said, ‘Yeah, Democratic: That’s good. Socialism: Yeah, that’s that social media stuff" - Michael Bloomberg, Dec 8 2016 [31]

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    ●● Bloomberg is Democratic in name but Republican in spirit ●● [32]

    Jan 1 2001 - Dec 31 2007. Bloomberg was a registered Republican [33]

    Jan 1 - Nov 10 2004. Bloomberg supported George W. Bush's 2004 reelection campaign [34]

    Aug 30 2004. Bloomberg spoke at the Republican National Convention [35]

    Nov 2 2010. Bloomberg's contributions to Republican NY senators helped the them keep control of the senate [34]

    Jan 1 2012 - Dec 31 2016. Bloomberg spent $10.1 million helping to elect Republican federal candidates, $5.9 million of which helped U.S. Senator Pat Toomey (R) of PA win against Katie McGinty (D) [36]

    Jul 1 - Nov 6 2012. Bloomberg endorsed and fundraised for Scott Brown (R) against Elizabeth Warren (D) [37]

    Jan 1 - Dec 31 2014. Bloomberg donated to U.S. Senator Susan Collins (R) for re-election, who was instrumental in confirming Brett Kavanaugh and acquiting Trump in his impeachment trial [36]

    Jan 1 2014 - Dec 31 2018. Bloomberg helped unseat at least three Democratic U.S. Senators through targeted advertising [36]

    May 23 2014. Bloomberg contributed $250,000 to help re-elect Lindsey Graham (R) [36]

    Jun 5 2014. Bloomberg held a re-election fundraiser for governor Rick Snyder (R) of Michigan [36]

    Jun 28 2018. Bloomberg held a fund-raiser for NY Rep Pete King (R) [36]

    Oct 10 2018. Bloomberg registered for the Democratic Party so he could run for President [33]

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    ●● Bloomberg's chumminess with Trump could lead to little or no accountability for Trump Administration corruption if he won ●● [38]

    ● "I'm a friend of Donald Trump. He's a New York icon." - Michael Bloomberg, Apr 24 2011 [39]

    ● "Wilber Ross is also a competent guy" - Michael Bloomberg [40]

    ● "Yes, Donald, I do love you" - Michael Bloomberg [41]

    ● "If there is anybody who has changed this city, it is Donald Trump" - Michael Bloomberg [42]

    Sep 1 2000 - Ongoing. Bloomberg purchased a condo in a property managed by the Trump Organization [43]

    Jan 1 2007 - Dec 31 2013. Bloomberg and Trump were golf pals [44]

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    Sources:

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    2. https://www.democracynow.org/2020/2/...ocial_security

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    4. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/video...g-minimum-wage

    5. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bl...s-gray-matter/

    6. https://twitter.com/OrganizingPower/...16662440677376

    7. https://twitter.com/OrganizingPower/...19962745606145

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  2. #9302
    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    Thats more an issue when compromising outside your party. Obama fell into that and its why he didnt get near as much done as he could have.
    Bernie can't even within his own party.
    Yes, that just means the rest of the party are the problem.

    If I am presented with the options of choosing to eat either 1) a sandwich 2) a piece of shit, and I were to pick option 1 in spite of immense opposition telling me the right option is 2, I am sure as hell not going to compromise and eat a shit sandwich.
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  3. #9303
    Quote Originally Posted by Muzjhath View Post
    And stuff like that is why Bernie won't get anything done if he becomes POTUS. You need to work with people and compromise, horse trade, and other things, to get politics done. Give and take.
    There is reason FDR had Southern Democrats and Republicans at various times in his cabinet. He needed buyins. Which is also why share croppers weren't included in the new deals agriculture parts.
    Compromise to get something through congress.
    Most small government progressives at the time weren't fond of his large government progressive programs.
    Work with people and compromise.

    Interesting. THATS HOW WE GOT WHERE WE ARE.

    The constant capitulating to a NON GIVE A FUCK side is why we are where we are.

  4. #9304
    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    This is the main reason why Bernie winning would be a bad idea. Even if you agree with his ideals, he wouldn't be able to get anything done. He's been rather unsuccesful as a politician in getting anything done due to his inability to compromise.
    But this is the problem right here. I see people say that "Sanders wont be able to get anything done becaus of the senate" well guess what how much did Obama get done after the Dems lost the Senate and congress? Anyone that with a straight face say to me that Biden or Bloomberg will get anything at all done as long as McConnell is still in the Senate and the Republicans hold a majority there i will call bs.

    the fact that people start to spout this noncense now is that they realise that Sanders will probably win the nomination and very likely the Presidency aswell and now they want to get people to doubt that there can ever be change.

    Also when some say "This is not the time, we can do this after we have taken away the Presidency from Trump and restored order" i seem to have heard this before. What makes anyone think that ANY of the other candidates except perhaps Warren would do anything to change more then back to what it was before Trump? And guess what will happen if Bloomberg or Biden will get the Pres, there will be another Trump next time around and perhaps this time he will be a bit more discrete with his talk. But with all the vile shit that Trump stands for.
    Also im not at all certain that Sanders wont win in the states he needs to win (Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and other keystates.) People want something to change and they havent gotten it under Trump unless they was a rich person or a large corporation.

  5. #9305
    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    Yes, that just means the rest of the party are the problem.

    If I am presented with the options of choosing to eat either 1) a sandwich 2) a piece of shit, and I were to pick option 1 in spite of immense opposition telling me the right option is 2, I am sure as hell not going to compromise and eat a shit sandwich.
    You realize "The party should just step in line and not compromise" is how Trump and authoritarians in general work?
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  6. #9306
    Here is what confuses me. We hear how much we need change in issues like healthcare from people like Pete and Amy, but at the same time, they claim that many people don't want any changes to their healthcare. Well, how can you want change, when you don't want to change?

    You can't move forward when you are hesitant to...move forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deianeira View Post
    But this is the problem right here. I see people say that "Sanders wont be able to get anything done becaus of the senate" well guess what how much did Obama get done after the Dems lost the Senate and congress? Anyone that with a straight face say to me that Biden or Bloomberg will get anything at all done as long as McConnell is still in the Senate and the Republicans hold a majority there i will call bs.

    the fact that people start to spout this noncense now is that they realise that Sanders will probably win the nomination and very likely the Presidency aswell and now they want to get people to doubt that there can ever be change.

    Also when some say "This is not the time, we can do this after we have taken away the Presidency from Trump and restored order" i seem to have heard this before. What makes anyone think that ANY of the other candidates except perhaps Warren would do anything to change more then back to what it was before Trump? And guess what will happen if Bloomberg or Biden will get the Pres, there will be another Trump next time around and perhaps this time he will be a bit more discrete with his talk. But with all the vile shit that Trump stands for.
    Also im not at all certain that Sanders wont win in the states he needs to win (Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and other keystates.) People want something to change and they havent gotten it under Trump unless they was a rich person or a large corporation.
    That part is the key. I don't think Sanders having made comments about Castro from decades ago will matter one bit outside of 70+ year old Cuban ex-pat's minds. People voted for Obama becasue he promised hope and change, people voted for Trump becasue he was going to be a stick of dynamite in DC, people will vote for Sanders because he wants change in DC without the off putting Trump bigotry and racism. I don't think the vast majority of the country gives a shit about how a candidate acts, they just want something to materially change for themselves. We've been doing shit the same way for a looong time, people just want to be better off than their parents were and we're going the wrong way.
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  8. #9308
    Quote Originally Posted by Muzjhath View Post
    And stuff like that is why Bernie won't get anything done if he becomes POTUS. You need to work with people and compromise, horse trade, and other things, to get politics done. Give and take.
    There is reason FDR had Southern Democrats and Republicans at various times in his cabinet. He needed buyins. Which is also why share croppers weren't included in the new deals agriculture parts.
    Compromise to get something through congress.
    Most small government progressives at the time weren't fond of his large government progressive programs.
    The cabinet is not the legislature. The cabinet's role is to serve at the "President's pleasure". FDR used Southern Democrats and Republicans BECAUSE THEY AGREED WITH HIM ON POLICY. FDR was not known for horse trading, he rammed shit through using the bully pulpit, by appealing to popular support to force Congress to pass what he wanted.

    He literally tried to pack the Supreme Court when it wasn't ruling in his favor.

    A more accurate comparison would be Sanders appointing Republicans to cabinet positions if they agreed with him on ramming through things like M4A or debt relief or tax raises.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal_coalition

    If you actually pay attention to polling and even conservative media, you might find (to your shock and surprise) that right wing populists often find common ground with Sanders on certain things (like trade, foreign policy and shockingly MEDICARE FOR ALL).

    Some Republicans think they will be able to scaremonger with "socialism is bad" but just looking at opinion polling and voting trends, the voters seem to not give a fuck, they just want healthcare, higher wages and jobs.

  9. #9309
    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    You realize "The party should just step in line and not compromise" is how Trump and authoritarians in general work?
    You realize that blindly compromising without actual good reasons is why the swamp exists as it does today?
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  10. #9310
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    He certainly isn't clean, I'll give you that. People keep mentioning law breaking - do we have Bloomberg actually breaking the law, or just supposed based on....?
    Unless you include sexual harassment, I assume no, he hasn't broken the law. I doubt he's dumb enough to pursue criminal activity to make his money.

    But generally speaking, you seem to be understating how complete shit he is. I guess his saving grace is "well he hasn't committed white collar crimes so... victory!"

    And this doesn't even cover how eviscerated he's gotten by Warren. Trump would eat him alive.

    We damn well need to have a better option to put up against Trump or we're in a hell of a lot of trouble.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    This is the main reason why Bernie winning would be a bad idea. Even if you agree with his ideals, he wouldn't be able to get anything done. He's been rather unsuccesful as a politician in getting anything done due to his inability to compromise.
    There is no evidence to assume a McConnell run Senate would allow ANY Democrat that wins the election to get things done. Assuming that this is something that only Bernie would face is just inaccurate.

  11. #9311
    Quote Originally Posted by omerome View Post
    Here is what confuses me. We hear how much we need change in issues like healthcare from people like Pete and Amy, but at the same time, they claim that many people don't want any changes to their healthcare. Well, how can you want change, when you don't want to change?

    You can't move forward when you are hesitant to...move forward.
    Yep, they claim to know all these people that like their coverage and their doctors, but they would probably like it better if they paid less overall and kept their doctors because they wouldn't have to worry about if their plan covered the doctor or surgeon if they have to have surgery, because Medicare for all would cover it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrlaan View Post
    We damn well need to have a better option to put up against Trump or we're in a hell of a lot of trouble.
    Nothing would demonstrate the corporate takeover of American politics and daily life like a Presidential election between two of the richest, petty authoritarians in the world. That it's a fucking possibility is embarrassing for U.S. democracy.
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  13. #9313
    Democrats that support Bloomberg.....

    Are you doing this because you believe he's the best choice (of the current major candidates) to run the country or the best choice to beat Trump?
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  14. #9314
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Democrats that support Bloomberg.....

    Are you doing this because you believe he's the best choice (of the current major candidates) to run the country or the best choice to beat Trump?
    I keep hearing "lesser of two evils" and "smarter version of Trump" as if either of those two lines are good.

    Bloomberg still has a long lasting history of racist and sexist ideals but for some reason people think that simply replacing the R to a D next to his name magically changes everything for the better whole simultaneously contributing to Republicans in office.

  15. #9315
    Quote Originally Posted by Muzjhath View Post
    And stuff like that is why Bernie won't get anything done if he becomes POTUS. You need to work with people and compromise, horse trade, and other things, to get politics done. Give and take.
    There is reason FDR had Southern Democrats and Republicans at various times in his cabinet. He needed buyins. Which is also why share croppers weren't included in the new deals agriculture parts.
    Compromise to get something through congress.
    Most small government progressives at the time weren't fond of his large government progressive programs.
    Any comments talking about "compromise" are just delusional at this point, like Stockholm syndrome-level delusional. What the fuck makes anybody think that it's even possible to compromise with Republicans? Or that "compromising" is the sole, uni-directional responsibility of Democrats, which really just means rubber stamping shitty Republican policies? This is why I keep saying we need to take back the Senate. Sara Gideon actually has a narrow lead over Susan Collins. Amy McGrath is polling within the margin of error against McConnell. We need the Senate. But talking about compromise with this iteration of Republicans is beyond naive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by omerome View Post
    Here is what confuses me. We hear how much we need change in issues like healthcare from people like Pete and Amy, but at the same time, they claim that many people don't want any changes to their healthcare. Well, how can you want change, when you don't want to change?

    You can't move forward when you are hesitant to...move forward.
    The lobbyists that bought out Pete doesn't want change, but all the Democrat runners know that Medicare for All is popular. Wouldn't be impossible to see Pete claim he supports Medicare for All but then washes his hands on the issue if the senate and house doesn't pass his bill.

    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    You realize that blindly compromising without actual good reasons is why the swamp exists as it does today?
    You hear this a lot from the other candidates in that we need to compromise to get anything done. This is a Democracy where you vote in what you want. If the House and Senate don't play along then that swamp needs to be drained as well. The Republicans who voted against impeaching Trump need to be removed just for interfering with Democracy. We'll start with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Democrats that support Bloomberg.....

    Are you doing this because you believe he's the best choice (of the current major candidates) to run the country or the best choice to beat Trump?
    They're doing it because Bloomberg has a great dental plan, and the 401K is to retire for.

  17. #9317
    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Work with people and compromise.

    Interesting. THATS HOW WE GOT WHERE WE ARE.

    The constant capitulating to a NON GIVE A FUCK side is why we are where we are.
    Yeah, and just what we consider a compromise is getting more ridiculous.

    One side says "I want to feed all the puppies."

    The other says "I want to murder all the puppies."

    It is not a compromise to say we'll feed all the puppies before we murder them. But that's what Republicans and "moderate" democrats keep insisting we have to do.

  18. #9318
    Quote Originally Posted by Grapemask View Post
    Yeah, and just what we consider a compromise is getting more ridiculous.

    One side says "I want to feed all the puppies."

    The other says "I want to murder all the puppies."

    It is not a compromise to say we'll feed all the puppies before we murder them. But that's what Republicans and "moderate" democrats keep insisting we have to do.
    Because if it doesnt at least get back to that point absolutely nothing will get done. If the two sides continue to remain this far apart while trying to pull even further we may as well split the country now in two. Sadly it looks like this is where we are headed and the only way to salvage this situation. The problem is the country is currently split in thirds. I would much rather see the country mutually split up and see somethings get accomplished than continue down this road.

  19. #9319
    Quote Originally Posted by Trunksee View Post
    Because if it doesnt at least get back to that point absolutely nothing will get done. If the two sides continue to remain this far apart while trying to pull even further we may as well split the country now in two. Sadly it looks like this is where we are headed and the only way to salvage this situation. The problem is the country is currently split in thirds. I would much rather see the country mutually split up and see somethings get accomplished than continue down this road.
    I don’t think a split would work for republicans. Their states are too poor so they’d hang on for life to that sweet blue money.

    Democrats don’t need to compromise they need to stop compromising. Democrats talking about compromising and working with Mitch for instance. The guy who blocked Obama as his goal and made sure to steal a lifetime scotus seat is who you think will compromise?

    One side is mental. They want me not allowed to marry no abortions for women want me discriminated against for existing and what is a compromise to that?

  20. #9320
    Quote Originally Posted by Trunksee View Post
    Because if it doesnt at least get back to that point absolutely nothing will get done.
    But that is not what happening though all the safeguards that the system had to force bipartisanship are just eroding to adjust to the new reality. As a theory it is a shame but we crossed the Rubicon long ago.

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