I don't think Sylvanas is really the bad villain you think she is

[Powerogue]

Since my previous posts were all hidden, I'll try to convey the same basic message without using any of the no-no words:

Systematically killing innocents is bad.

Saurfang was there when Blackhand's Horde did the same thing. It was bad then too.


Saurfang experiences PTSD when he sees it happen again under his new warchief. For good reason. It was very bad.


Sylvanas is a villain.
Sylvanas is bad.

[Varodoc]

Loved that cinematic. Finally Saurfang pointed out how the Horde is founded on a lie. The Burning of Teldrassil proves that the "New" Horde is not a new Horde at all. It is just as vile as the Horde that carried out the Genocide of the Draenei.

[Aucald]

Loved that cinematic. Finally Saurfang pointed out how the Horde is founded on a lie. The Burning of Teldrassil proves that the "New" Horde is not a new Horde at all. It is just as vile as the Horde that carried out the Genocide of the Draenei.

Saurfang points out that Thrall (the founder of the "New Horde") along with Vol'jin were aberrations, in his view; and that Sylvanas (and presumably Garrosh who goes unmentioned) were the true inheritors of the Horde of Blackhand, a continuation of the Old Horde with its atrocities. The Horde as a people have, to their shame, always followed the cues of a strong leader - which I suppose is the foible of almost all societies based on a dictatorship, where an autocratic figure dictates terms to the people. The Horde reflects the heart of its leader, whether that heart aspires to great things (Thrall), revels in bloody warmongering (Garrosh), or is mired in a pragmatism so brutal and stripped of essential humanity that it uses atrocity as a bargaining chip (Sylvanas).

[Powerogue]

Saurfang points out that Thrall (the founder of the "New Horde") along with Vol'jin were aberrations, in his view; and that Sylvanas (and presumably Garrosh who goes unmentioned) were the true inheritors of the Horde of Blackhand, a continuation of the Old Horde with its atrocities. The Horde as a people have, to their shame, always followed the cues of a strong leader - which I suppose is the foible of almost all societies based on a dictatorship, where an autocratic figure dictates terms to the people. The Horde reflects the heart of its leader, whether that heart aspires to great things (Thrall), revels in bloody warmongering (Garrosh), or is mired in a pragmatism so brutal and stripped of essential humanity that it uses atrocity as a bargaining chip (Sylvanas).

Saurfang died in defense of Azeroth, their shared home. Rather than for the Horde, which he took to his grave whether he believed was still worth saving.

[Aucald]

Saurfang died in defense of Azeroth, their shared home. Rather than for the Horde, which he took to his grave whether he believed was still worth saving.

On the eve of his fated duel with Sylvanas, he accepted that those who defended Orgrimmar were still his brothers and sisters, so I think it's safe to say he died hoping that the Horde could still be saved - and he sacrificed himself so that it could be done without bloodshed or pitting the Horde against itself once more. He both died defending Azeroth, and trying to save the Horde from itself once more.

[Margamanthak]

Thanos wanted to save the universe from overpopulation and resource scarcity. Instead of snapping unlimited resources into being, he decided to obliterate half the universe, unaware or uncaring that trillions more would die as collateral damage. Sylvanas has been sending everyone who died in the Fourth War to hell and wiped out an entire city where the majority of the population were civilians guilty of nothing worse than maybe missing church once in a while. She knowingly threw the Horde into an absolute meat grinder and damned countless brave warriors to Hell for her own personal benefit, the Horde be damned.

Giving an evil psychopath an understandable motive doesn't make their actions justified or them any less evil or psychotic. Let's not pretend she's Adrian Veidt or something here.

Let's also not forget, as confirmed by the Russo Brothers, that Thanos snapped 50% of all LIFE out of existence. This also includes animals and plants. Not only did he snap 50% of the people he blamed for consuming too many resources out of existence, he also snapped 50% of all organic resources out of existence too, thereby defeating the entire point of what he did. Through this revelation, they turned Thanos from a master planner fighting for something he believed in into a complete and total moron.
I see something very similar happening to Sylvanas.

[Aucald]

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