Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[zenkai]

Yay Biden!

[omerome]

I am just disappointed that with all of the diversity the democratic party had with so many candidates, diversity lost.

But with that said, both of those guys are so different in their views. The Democratic party needs to find their identity quickly or we can risk losing people in the future. And I am not talking about them switching parties, but people not participating - at all.

[breadisfunny]

well if biden is the nominee and sanders is out looks like ill sit this election out then. biden strikes me as a middle of the road obama 2.0 status quo type of guy to me and that is simply unacceptable. the status quo of this country is garbage and it needs change.

[kaelleria]

I am just disappointed that with all of the diversity the democratic party had with so many candidates, diversity lost.

But with that said, both of those guys are so different in their views. The Democratic party needs to find their identity quickly or we can risk losing people in the future. And I am not talking about them switching parties, but people not participating - at all.

A WoC VP goes a long way to bringing back some of that diversity, but yeah I totally get where you're coming from.

Imagine the primary had Sanders and Biden not entered the race. My gut feeling is they crowded out a lot of good candidates from even entering the race in the first place and stifled others that did.

[Fahrenheit]

Trump will be re-elected regardless. The corruption runs too deep.

I wouldn't be so sure. 2016 was like a royal flush for Trump. Everything went just right;
8 years of Democratic leadership in the WH led to some level of voter apathy on the Left, particularly in the African American community.
Clinton was a flawed candidate. And took white working class voters in the upper Midwest for granted.
Emails, emails, emails.
Russia doing their thing targeting select group with false propaganda and stealing emails
Wikileaks posting emails stolen by the Russians.
Sanders insurgency and the bitterness afterwards by some of his voters.
Comey's last second investigation.

All of those and he barely eked out an EC win. 40k people spread over the right 3 states flips the whole election. That's something like .00013% of the nation's population. Now, I'm not saying their is no way he's going to lose, but this isn't a usual incumbency. Independents find Trump distasteful at best, and the only thing keeping him in some of their good graces was the sky high stock market making 401k portfolios looking nice for middle/upper middle class suburb folks.

[Grapemask]

After sleeping on it, I'm not as pessimistic about Biden's more-likely nomination as I was, at least from a beating-Trump perspective. While he will have many of the same problem as Clinton for inspiring turnout, he'll pull in a lot of the right wing that dislikes Trump or what his policies have actually meant for them. That might be enough.

I remain pissed that we're heading toward not fixing the damn issues because we have once again put party and tribalism over interests.

Our healthcare system is beyond broken. Ironically, Biden's largest voting demographic already gets or will soon receive the very healthcare Warren and Sanders wanted for everyone, because 65% of his voters are over 45 and 30% over 65.

People choose to succumb to cancer rather than get treatment so that they won't encumber their children. People skip cancer screening altogether because they can't afford to gamble on whether they have it. People don't get readily-available treatments to all kinds of deadly diseases because the costs are too high. These are things I've had to watch my own family go through, and 60% of Americans report they have waited to get healthcare because of the costs, and 30% of those report that symptoms got worse as a result. People like Biden want to run on "things won't fundamentally change" and think we can fix all of that by just tweaking the numbers a little bit.

Sure, maybe we'll beat Trump. But we'll have to lose to win. I'll vote Biden in the general, but I also know a Trump win would actually get us the healthcare we need instead of kicking it down another 4-8 years. Not because Trump will do it, but because he's trying to take it away from the kind of people who support Joe Biden. Maybe if Trump gets to slash medicare like he wants, you fucks who get it will stop fucking the rest of us. Or finally die off.

But, at least the silver lining is that Bloomberg spent 600 million dollars to win American. Fucking. Samoa. Get fucked, Mike.

[Fahrenheit]

well if biden is the nominee and sanders is out looks like ill sit this election out then. biden strikes me as a middle of the road obama 2.0 status quo type of guy to me and that is simply unacceptable. the status quo of this country is garbage and it needs change.

Defeatist attitude. Government is meant to work slowly.

6 years ago almost no one outside of Vermont had heard of Bernie Sanders. No one was seriously talking about Medicare for all or forgiving student loan debt or 'Freedom Dividends' or any of the progressive stuff that's front and center in 2020, that's lighting quick in terms of government. Stick with the most progressive person in the general race, and we'll eventually get there, times are a changing, Silent Gen and Boomers are passing away, Millennials and Gen Z are taking their place with far more racial diverse and open minded ideals.

[kaelleria]

But, at least the silver lining is that Bloomberg spent 600 million dollars to win American. Fucking. Samoa. Get fucked, Mike.

The one unifying thing about voters on all sides of the democratic party spectrum

[Vash The Stampede]

Bernie's camp is really into hostage taking huh?

He did this with Hillary when she didn't support Universal Health Care. When he lost he made her change her mind.

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So basically what I feared might happen? The less electable candidate wins because of a spoiler?

From what I am looking at, Biden will get 8 states while Sanders will get 6 but he is getting the big 2. But Sanders would have been much better without Warren.

Hopefully she drops out after this as she has no path and is nothing but a spoiler knowingly at this point.

Sanders didn't win Texas, and Biden won 10 states so far. That leaves Bernie with 4 wins which Colorado, Utah, and Vermont aren't worth much in delegates. California is worth a lot but Biden ended up winning some of it as well. So far Biden has 390 delegates while Bernie has 330. Warren has 36 while Bloomberg has an amazing 12. Totally worth half a billion for bloomberg.

[Ghostpanther]

Yay Biden!

Lol! I am disappointed that Bernie did not do better yesterday.

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Sanders didn't win Texas, and Biden won 10 states so far. That leaves Bernie with 4 wins which Colorado, Utah, and Vermont aren't worth much in delegates. California is worth a lot but Biden ended up winning some of it as well. So far Biden has 390 delegates while Bernie has 330. Warren has 36 while Bloomberg has an amazing 12. Totally worth half a billion for bloomberg.

Biden said, " This may be over folks." He may be right.

[Themius]

The Senate Majority Leader position is not the President's to give and given how Bernie is not even a Democrat I see some difficulty in getting everyone to vote him in. His inability to build bridges in Senate has been a recurring topic in this thread.

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Elections in the middle of any week aren't great for anyone except retired or rich people and the party relying on them.

Right like why do we still do it??? We base it off fucking horse travel and church.

[Benggaul]

I am just disappointed that with all of the diversity the democratic party had with so many candidates, diversity lost.

But with that said, both of those guys are so different in their views. The Democratic party needs to find their identity quickly or we can risk losing people in the future. And I am not talking about them switching parties, but people not participating - at all.

Well, as I mentioned before, I believe it's a matter of crushing the GOP into oblivion first and then allowing the Democratic party to split into two once that threat is gone.

[breadisfunny]

Defeatist attitude. Government is meant to work slowly.

6 years ago almost no one outside of Vermont had heard of Bernie Sanders. No one was seriously talking about Medicare for all or forgiving student loan debt or 'Freedom Dividends' or any of the progressive stuff that's front and center in 2020, that's lighting quick in terms of government. Stick with the most progressive person in the general race, and we'll eventually get there, times are a changing, Silent Gen and Boomers are passing away, Millennials and Gen Z are taking their place with far more racial diverse and open minded ideals.

they may not have the time they would like to have. if biden puts him as his running mate however i would vote for him probably. this country is falling further and further behind with each passing year with the exception of it's terrifying military budget that eats up more and more of the budget every year. pretty soon we will resemble north korea where most of its budget goes towards its military programs and military. minus the totalitarian regime......hopefully. it won't be long before the house of cards that is the u.s. economy falls. we are already starting to see signs of cracks in it with the levels of income equality.

[Spectral]

There's some interesting potential for further fracturing with some of the Bernie Bros like Michael Moore arguing that the Democrat Party needs to stop taking South Carolina and other Southern states seriously. If this sort of idea really starts to coalesce as canon, people are bound to notice that what they're suggesting is to systemically disenfranchise their black voter base because it's not far enough left. I have no idea how that plays out downstream (I'd bet extremely strongly against "Blexit" narratives though), but we certainly live in interesting times.

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...Totally worth half a billion for bloomberg.

The amount he spent is less than 1% of his net worth, it's the kind of thing he can just do on a lark because he thought it'd be fun. Think about some normal middle class professional that's maybe saved up a few hundred grand in investments and has another couple hundred grand in equity in a house - proportionally, this would be like that guy spending $5K to try to run for some local state delegate or mayoral office. Sure he might not win, but it's fun for him and everyone needs a hobby. He can even walk away feeling kinda successful if he gets a few thousand people to vote for him, even if loses.

Of course that's utterly fucking ridiculous and perverse beyond words that Bloomberg can treat a President election that way, but it really is about what happened.

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...with the exception of it's terrifying military budget that eats up more and more of the budget every year. pretty soon we will resemble north korea where most of its budget goes towards its military programs and military.

This is aggressively wrong:

[Draco-Onis]

The one unifying thing about voters on all sides of the democratic party spectrum

meh for Bloomberg that's like losing 1 dollar.

[zenkai]

Lol! I am disappointed that Bernie did not do better yesterday.

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Biden said, " This may be over folks." He may be right.

LOL Yeah, I bet Trump is rooting for Sanders too, would be an easy win for him.

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Well, as I mentioned before, I believe it's a matter of crushing the GOP into oblivion first and then allowing the Democratic party to split into two once that threat is gone.

That will never happen

[JohnBrown1917]

So Texas had 4 to 7 hour long lines, so wonder the youth voter turnout was so low, gotta love that voter suppression.

[downnola]

I'm interested in seeing how the Rust Belt votes. This primary is far from over.

[kaelleria]

So Texas had 4 to 7 hour long lines, so wonder the youth voter turnout was so low, gotta love that voter suppression.

Virginia didn't.

[Mihalik]

Speaking of the SCOTUS, you know those ball lickers are going to kill off the ACA to appease Trump if he gets a second term, there's a reason why they're waiting to rule on the case about whether the ACA is constitutional or not until after the election. If they bow down to Trump's whims like I fully expect them to do now that would just hurt his chances here in 2020, but if they wait for his second term then the damage won't matter to Trump.

The damage to ACA will be the least of our concerns. The damage to civil rights, separation of powers, consumer rights, labor rights, women's rights, separation to church and state etc will take generations to fix.

By 2024 China would seem like a progressive liberal paradise compared to what the US legal system will look like.