Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Elegiac]

Deals between Biden and Buttigieg, yes. Not between Obama and anyone. You're confusing two separate things.

And yes, those deals between Biden and Buttigieg, if they exist, are literally how this always works in the primaries.

For fucks sake, you're basically complaining that people are engaging in basic political behaviors. Are you this new to politics?

Apparently, yes.

And this is why Bernie is currently losing the nomination.

[starlord]

Old people and misinformation. If you know of a way to get old people to stop believing lies they were told their whole lives feel free to share.

it's not my pet issue. i'm just pointing out that the echochamber isn't helping to move it forward.

[Draco-Onis]

Deals between Biden and Buttigieg, yes. Not between Obama and anyone. You're confusing two separate things.

And yes, those deals between Biden and Buttigieg, if they exist, are literally how this always works in the primaries.

For fucks sake, you're basically complaining that people are engaging in basic political behaviors. Are you this new to politics?

Are you? because the obvious commonality between all the events is Obama, Biden couldn't sell water in the desert.

[eschatological]

Warren is clearly running as a spoiler at this point. It would be one thing to keep quietly plodding along, but she got on a stage and asked for more money and declared she'd keep fighting. After losing her own state. Yikes.

Did she actually get on a stage and ask for money? All I've heard is a campaign EMail went out, and those things can be on an automatic schedule. Everything I've heard today is she's huddling with her people to see what she's going to do.

[Benggaul]

So, is there a winner in this blood match or are both sides still lacerating each other while claiming victory and bleeding out heavily?

I had to stop looking at Twitter, both the moderate and progressive folks in my feed were completely intolerable. This is not making me remotely excited for this election.

Honestly at this point it seems like it's the new normal to go nuclear online over your preferred candidate performing badly. I've pretty much stopped trying to appeal to reason when trying to discuss it. It has no room in a conspiracy theory-laden diatribe.

[Edge-]

Are you? because the obvious commonality between all the events is Obama, Biden couldn't sell water in the desert.

*fucking sigh*

Obama spoke with Buttigieg after he dropped out. There is no reporting that he pressed Buttigieg to endorse anyone, just that he told him that he has a ton of power and to use it wisely.
There is no reporting that Obama spoke with Klobuchar.
There is no reporting that Obama spoke with Steyer.
There is no reporting that Obama spoke with Bloomberg.
There is no reporting that Obama spoke with Beto.
There is no reporting that Obama spoke with Jim Clyburn.

So the commonality is that Obama spoke to one candidate once. Stop going off the deep end, dude.

[Grapemask]

Did she actually get on a stage and ask for money? All I've heard is a campaign EMail went out, and those things can be on an automatic schedule. Everything I've heard today is she's huddling with her people to see what she's going to do.

Unless I misunderstood reporting, she did a mini-rally last night after results came rolling in and said she'd keep fighting. I'd certainly hope she's reevaluating today, though.

[Blur4stuff]

I was talking to a Biden supporter (older guy who voted Sanders in 2016) today and he made some interesting points that I agree with. For one, despite fewer votes Sanders isn't necessarily less popular or liked now than he was four years ago. After all, M4A and even Socialism as a whole polls higher now than ever before. That's clearly the direction we're moving in, we just aren't there yet primarily because of boomers and silents.

The vote totals thus far aren't evidence of Sanders doing poorly, but how profoundly disliked Hillary Clinton was/is. I know that feeling very well because it was disgusting voting for her. Honestly, having to choose between Clinton and Trump made me hate democracy a bit.

The second thing he talked about was some of Sander's proposals. He agrees with me that most of them would be better for the country. He thinks someday we'll be there, but that it's simply not possible yet. To him it's something his kids may one day see and his grandchildren almost certainly. That is, things like M4A, cheap/free post secondary education (outside of fancy high priced institutions), etc... To him, Biden represents what's possible right now.

[Draco-Onis]

*fucking sigh*



So the commonality is that Obama spoke to one candidate once. Stop going off the deep end, dude.

So your theory is

Members of Obama's team and the CBC just happened to drop their endorsements giving a tepid Obama nod.

Obama just happened to speak to Pete the next threat to his guy before he endorsed Biden.

Steyer and Bloomberg are a bit irrelevant he just needed to take out the biggest threats to Biden. Amy is a good soldier and would play ball, let me guess your interpretation of "getting involved" is an official endorsement

[Edge-]

Unless I misunderstood reporting, she did a mini-rally last night after results came rolling in and said she'd keep fighting. I'd certainly hope she's reevaluating today, though.

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts...-to-supporters

Doesn't look like she did based off the transcript.

[Themius]

Some Americans believe less taxes = better quality of life.

So M4A to them = more taxes = bad life.

But we pay 17% GDP when everyone else pays less.

Also every medicine approved by the FDA from 2000-2016 was funded by the NIH using taxpayer dollars.

So... what's the deal? They like taxpayers paying for "some care for old" and funding Pharma research. But hate it when it comes to... not then buying back the same medicine the public funded?

[Egomaniac]

Biden got Bloomberg to do the name calling for him now.

Those are political ads...not a presidential debate. Very different things.
Also, none of those are name calling. They are factoids about Donald Trump.

[TigTone]

But we pay 17% GDP when everyone else pays less.

Also every medicine approved by the FDA from 2000-2016 was funded by the NIH using taxpayer dollars.

So... what's the deal? They like taxpayers paying for "some care for old" and funding Pharma research. But hate it when it comes to... not then buying back the same medicine the public funded?

We Humans can be illogical emotional apes thats the best answer I can give you.

You can lay out the facts of a better system with simple language so they can understand and they will still deny it and call it “bad”.

Cultures/traditions and emotional attachment to it plays a big part in why humanity still does stupid shit to each other.

[Draco-Onis]

Those are political ads...not a presidential debate. Very different things.
Also, none of those are name calling. They are factoids about Donald Trump.

The debates really don't matter, Biden will have the GOP and the DOJ after him for months once the congressional subpoenas roll in that's the real test.

[Edge-]

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/04/p...day/index.html

Not a fan of Cizilla, but he has the right of it. Nothing was "rigged" and these are largely just conspiracy theories.

[cubby]

I've been having to let it stew in my mind overnight, but slowly and surely I'm becoming ok with Biden as the likely nominee. Not because I think he's a good candidate or even has good policy positions but simply because he's Not-Trump and he at least has a shot at winning IMO. I do hope Bernie stays in it until the end to keep Joe on his toes and extract concessions to the progressive movement from Joe and the Democratic establishment. Maybe not M4A, but he can push the $15 minimum wage or the New Green Deal. I think most of the Democratic voters could get behind those.

I mean this seriously/sincerely, thank you for saying that. People need to be able to make statements like as we try and unify the party regardless of who gets the nomination. I myself have been gearing up for a Sanders win, regardless that Biden is my preferred choice between the two.

I also sincerely hope that Sanders not only stays in and endorses heavily and wholeheartedly, but that he gets a Cabinet post offer - HHS or Education would be ideal for his policy goals (Education might be better if Warren doesn't get/want it - Bernie would kick the shit out of those assholes currently in there pushing student loan collection policies rather than forgiveness, but I digress). In those roles Sanders can push M4A or Load Forgi

But fuck, you people could be a little more gracious in your likely victory. Instead this thread is constantly filled with gloating and superiority and shit-talking Bernie and his supporters. You make it real hard to get on board with Joe when you shove your hand in Bernie's supporters faces at every opportunity. Let folk grieve for awhile and get over it, most will come around in the end.

I don't know that Sanders is out. He might take the delegate lead when CA comes fully in. Regardless, you are right - everyone should be gracious in their victory statements. Party unity will be the key to defeating Trump, and it doesn't help at all if we're shit talking candidates.

[Vash The Stampede]

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/04/p...day/index.html

Not a fan of Cizilla, but he has the right of it. Nothing was "rigged" and these are largely just conspiracy theories.

You do realize that conspiracy theorists think CNN is part of that anti-Bernie circle? Not exactly making a good case here.

[Lenonis]

Not a fan of Cizilla, but he has the right of it. Nothing was "rigged" and these are largely just conspiracy theories.

I don't know how we got to a point where "normal operations" "working as intended" and "politics 101" is now massive sweeping conspiracies that cause rigged elections...

[Edge-]

You do realize that conspiracy theorists think CNN is part of that anti-Bernie circle? Not exactly making a good case here.

That's fine, there's no changing their minds anyways. Just sharing information for folks who aren't sold one way or the other.

[Rasulis]

You can blame Bernie’s performance on Obama, Clyburn, etc. Ultimately, it was still up to the voters to decide. Here are more detailed breakdowns why Bernie actually did worse that when he was running against Clinton.

In Alabama, only 7% of the voters were in the 17-29 range compared to 14% in 2016. Sanders won six of every 10 of those voters Tuesday compared to four of 10 in 2016.

In North Carolina, 13% of Tuesday’s electorate were young voters, compared to 16% four years ago. Of those, 57% went for Sanders in 2020 compared to 69% in 2016.

In Tennessee, 11% of those voters showed up Tuesday versus 15% in 2016. Sanders won 65% of those voters compared to 61% four years ago.

In Virginia, young voters comprised 13% of Tuesday’s vote compared to 16% in 2016. Sanders won 57% of those voters Tuesday compared to 69% four years ago.

In Texas 16% of voters were between 17 and 29 compared to 20% in 2016.

Despite high turnouts, Bernie’s voters basically did not show up to the party.