Wrathion and Xalatath

[Morae]

I have lost some storyline point somewhere.

Now that lfr n'zoth became available I did it. At the first boss of that portion, there is cinematic where wrathion stabs n'zoth with xalatath. Where did he get it? Last I remember, n'zoth acquired it when he gave us the eye thing on our heads. It was not there at least for alliance to pick up. If I recall, horde did get to pick it up?

I only ever did azhara at that raid. Was the knife passed to someone there?

How did it end up in wrathions hands and why?

If anyone could explain this to me, thank you. ?

[jzhbee]

Azshara had the dagger. After the Inquisitor fight in Nyalotha, Azshara gives it to Wrathion. Wrathion stabs the tentacle monster. That's it.

[AlmightyGerkin]

After xal’atath whole crucible of storms and giving it to sylvanas she made a deal with azshara (see it in the nzoth mind realm) during nazjatar and holds onto it till we rescue her from xaneth. And you know the rest. Who know what happened after wrathion gets blown back.

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

Maybe do the whole raid then since the answer is in there.

[Raisei]

Yep, Azshara gives the dagger to "us/Wrathion" after we kill Xanesh and free her. She also reveals that she was gonna use the blade on N'zoth herself, if we had not smacked her down in Eternal Palace and that she was now going to claim "the true throne of power", whatever that is.

Interestingly, she also implies that Xalatath is or was an Old God stronger then N'zoth, which is why the dagger proved capable of actually causing him pain.

[Varodoc]

After Xal'atath gained her new form, the severed dagger was brought to Sylvanas by the Horde player. In turn, Sylvanas gave the dagger to Nathans in preparation for the expedition to Nazjatar. After the fleets were crippled, Nathanos briefly left the Horde camp to complete his secret mission. After that, the blade somehow found its way into Azshara's hand and, subsequently, into Ny'alotha when Azshara was captured by N'Zoth. It is revealed in 8.3 that Azshara was never truly loyal to N'Zoth, and always sought to backstab him using the blade. That's why she ultimately gave the blade to Wrathion for the inevitable fight with N'Zoth.

The only mystery here is what happened during that time gap between the start of 8.2 and 8.3 and how the blade passed from Nathanos to Azshara. When Nathanos disappeared for a moment from the Horde camp, did he give the dagger to Azshara? It seems like that, because when next we see the dagger it's in Azshara's hand. Furthermore, it was revealed after the Saurfang cinematic that Sylvanas had a secret bargain with Azshara to defeat N'Zoth, so Sylvanas probably told Nathanos to give the blade to Azshara after the fleets were wrecked.

[Raisei]

After Xal'atath gained her new form, the severed dagger was brought to Sylvanas by the Horde player. In turn, Sylvanas gave the dagger to Nathans in preparation for the expedition to Nazjatar. After the fleets were crippled, Nathanos briefly left the Horde camp to complete his secret mission. After that, the blade somehow found its way into Azshara's hand and, subsequently, into Ny'alotha when Azshara was captured by N'Zoth. It is revealed in 8.3 that Azshara was never truly loyal to N'Zoth, and always sought to backstab him using the blade. That's why she ultimately gave the blade to Wrathion for the inevitable fight with N'Zoth.

The only mystery here is what happened during that time gap between the start of 8.2 and 8.3 and how the blade passed from Nathanos to Azshara. When Nathanos disappeared for a moment from the Horde camp, did he give the dagger to Azshara? It seems like that, because when next we see the dagger it's in Azshara's hand. Furthermore, it was revealed after the Saurfang cinematic that Sylvanas had a secret bargain with Azshara to defeat N'Zoth, so Sylvanas probably told Nathanos to give the blade to Azshara after the fleets were wrecked.

The N'zoth fight shows a vision in which Sylvanas and Azshara discuss their deal. Azshara says that Sylvanas will have her "Champion deliver the blade". So yes, Nathanos brought it to her. Then Sylvanas demands that Azshara kills off all of the witnesses, both Horde and Alliance.

[Varodoc]

The N'zoth fight shows a vision in which Sylvanas and Azshara discuss their deal. Azshara says that Sylvanas will have her "Champion deliver the blade". So yes, Nathanos brought it to her. Then Sylvanas demands that Azshara kills off all of the witnesses, both Horde and Alliance.

Ouch, that must sting for the [former] Sylvanas loyalists. Not only they were never considered champions by Sylvanas, but she also wanted them to die.

[faithbane]

Are we not gonna talk about how stupid it was for the dagger to be in Azshara's possesion while she was being tortured inside nyalotha. Like here, hold on to this one thing that can hurt nzoth, we wont search you for weps or anything before we begin the torture.. or maybe she snuck it in, in her asshole? must have been painful.

[Aucald]

Are we not gonna talk about how stupid it was for the dagger to be in Azshara's possesion while she was being tortured inside nyalotha. Like here, hold on to this one thing that can hurt nzoth, we wont search you for weps or anything before we begin the torture.. or maybe she snuck it in, in her asshole? must have been painful.

I imagine she hid it with magic, given that she's an ancient and peerless sorceress.

[faithbane]

I imagine she hid it with magic, given that she's an ancient and peerless sorceress.

I was thinking about that but being captive and tortured.. I assumed they silenced her magic as well, otherwise why wouldn't she just zap Xanesh and TP out?

[Aucald]

I was thinking about that but being captive and tortured.. I assumed they silenced her magic as well, otherwise why wouldn't she just zap Xanesh and TP out?

She may have enchanted it to be hidden well before she was captured, especially since (as related by the later conversation between her and Sylvanas) she wasn't supposed to have it.

[faithbane]

She may have enchanted it to be hidden well before she was captured, especially since (as related by the later conversation between her and Sylvanas) she wasn't supposed to have it.

Alright it is clear, N'zoths demise is his own damn fault for not installing proper metal and magic detectors at his detention center entrance.

[Varodoc]

Given how N'Zoth is such a piece of shit with his convoluted and intricate plans that always backfire, he probably let Azshara keep the blade so that she could give it to Wrathion and lure the heroes into a fight they couldn't win (sadly N'Zoth didn't know he was about to get literally nuked).

[Raisei]

Given how N'Zoth is such a piece of shit with his convoluted and intricate plans that always backfire, he probably let Azshara keep the blade so that she could give it to Wrathion and lure the heroes into a fight they couldn't win (sadly N'Zoth didn't know he was about to get literally nuked).

This is a very weird thing here. N'zoth HAD the dagger. He demands it from elfy Xalatath as price for her freedom. The one weapon in the world that can do serious harm to him and he then allowed a random Horde to take it and bring it to Sylvanas. Presumably he forsaw that the Banshee would use it to make a deal with Azshara that would result in his freedom.
But what did he think Azshara would do with it? From his actions right after being freed he apparently knew that she was going to betray him, why ever would he allow her to get her fingers on that weapon? ....

[Aucald]

Alright it is clear, N'zoths demise is his own damn fault for not installing proper metal and magic detectors at his detention center entrance.

Prisoners don't generally get a choice in the decor of their prisons - would've been up to the Titanforged, and they probably didn't know about Xal'atath.

[faithbane]

Prisoners don't generally get a choice in the decor of their prisons - would've been up to the Titanforged, and they probably didn't know about Xal'atath.

Isnt Nzoth completely free right now and Nyalotha is his pre-titan prison realm?

[Aucald]

This is a very weird thing here. N'zoth HAD the dagger. He demands it from elfy Xalatath as price for her freedom. The one weapon in the world that can do serious harm to him and he then allowed a random Horde to take it and bring it to Sylvanas. Presumably he forsaw that the Banshee would use it to make a deal with Azshara that would result in his freedom.
But what did he think Azshara would do with it? From his actions right after being freed he apparently knew that she was going to betray him, why ever would he allow her to get her fingers on that weapon? ....

Something unknown happens when the blade is delivered to Sylvanas, I assumed that N'Zoth planned to suborn her will somehow but it didn't take effect for some reason or Sylvanas shrugged it off (perhaps with the Jailer's power). Either way, I don't think N'Zoth's plan involved the blade being used against him - he either wasn't aware that it had that kind of power, or was confident his existing plans were proof against it.

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Isnt Nzoth completely free right now and Nyalotha is his pre-titan prison realm?

He was when we defeated Azshara, yes. But if she enchanted and hid the blade prior to that, he wouldn't have been aware she had it on her person.

[MrLachyG]

they are 100% fuckbuddies

[Raisei]

Something unknown happens when the blade is delivered to Sylvanas, I assumed that N'Zoth planned to suborn her will somehow but it didn't take effect for some reason or Sylvanas shrugged it off (perhaps with the Jailer's power). Either way, I don't think N'Zoth's plan involved the blade being used against him - he either wasn't aware that it had that kind of power, or was confident his existing plans were proof against it.

Hm, possible. Though Azshara at least claims to know "what Darkness [Sylvanas] plans to unleash", if she knows about the Jailor she probably does so from N'zoth, so he would know that Sylvanas is not easily corrupted (in fact Undead are not susceptible to the Void if I recall correctly). Could be hubris that he still tried though.
I kinda hope that there is more to his plans really, connections that we have overlooked. At the moment they seem quite weak for one of the most active Old Gods in the recent history.