Can Arthas be held accountable for his crimes?

[Raelbo]

He's entirely responsible because he made a series of poor choices, against the good advice of his mentors and friends, that led to picking up Frostmourne.

It reminds me a lot of Walter White in Breaking Bad.

I would say that your argument holds more validity with Sylvanas, because she was never given a choice about becoming a banshee.

[Specialka]

He's entirely responsible because he made a series of poor choices, against the good advice of his mentors and friends, that led to picking up Frostmourne.

It reminds me a lot of Walter White in Breaking Bad.

I would say that your argument holds more validity with Sylvanas, because she was never given a choice about becoming a banshee.

Yes, but she had regained her free will after she beat the shit out of the LK. And she still made terrible choices afterward.

While Arthas had to deal with a virulent plague turning ppl into undead. And good advices from his mentors and friends? Which advices? All they said was to no do it with Stratholme and offered no alternative. The only good advice was Muradin's while he was saying the sword was cursed. Everything he has done until Frostmourn makes him a Loyal Evil character.

Btw, who wrote that on Frostmourn pedestal? I'm curious because if all that was a trap, there should have been no warning.

[Aucald]

False. Kel'thuzad and the Cult of the Damned moved in after Lordaeron was Scourged completely.

What were you thinking the Silver Hand did in Lordaeron while Arthas and the 1st Legion was away?

Kel'Thuzad was killed while Arthas and Jaina were investigating the rising plague in Lordaeron proper, outside of Andorhal itself. At that time Kel'Thuzad had already had great success in creating and spreading the Cult of the Damned, had his cultists stationed in Scholomance as well as populating the island of Caer Darrow, and had won over many an influential lord to his way of thinking (with the promises of immortality and eternal power). The Cult of the Damned was up and in operation well before Lordaeron succumbed to the plague, and even before Arthas began his initial investigations. Kel'Thuzad wanted to ensure no authorities could check him and so kept his cult and its successes secret, flying below the radar until it was far too late to stop what had been set in motion.

[Kokolums]

Depends upon if you believe in double jeopardy because his punishment for his crimes was death.

[Narwhalosh Whalescream]

We should put him on trial.

[Ardenaso]

Kel'Thuzad was killed while Arthas and Jaina were investigating the rising plague in Lordaeron proper, outside of Andorhal itself. At that time Kel'Thuzad had already had great success in creating and spreading the Cult of the Damned, had his cultists stationed in Scholomance as well as populating the island of Caer Darrow, and had won over many an influential lord to his way of thinking (with the promises of immortality and eternal power). The Cult of the Damned was up and in operation well before Lordaeron succumbed to the plague, and even before Arthas began his initial investigations. Kel'Thuzad wanted to ensure no authorities could check him and so kept his cult and its successes secret, flying below the radar until it was far too late to stop what had been set in motion.

I meant when Lordaeron was pretty much defunt like when Sylvanas declared Forsaken - that's when Kel Thuzad moved in Stratholme

[Aucald]

I meant when Lordaeron was pretty much defunt like when Sylvanas declared Forsaken - that's when Kel Thuzad moved in Stratholme

Kel'Thuzad traveled to Stratholme with Naxxramas when Sylvanas succeeding in creating the Forsaken and retaking Capitol City from the occupying Dreadlords (Varimathras, Detheroc, and Balnazzar). But he had been present and operating in Lordaeron well before that - growing the Cult of the Damned under Terenas' nose, and subverting lesser lords to further the plans of the Lich King.

[Powerogue]

I don't think it really matters, the entity that Arthas became was a threat to the world that needed to be stopped.

[Ardenaso]

Kel'Thuzad traveled to Stratholme with Naxxramas when Sylvanas succeeding in creating the Forsaken and retaking Capitol City from the occupying Dreadlords (Varimathras, Detheroc, and Balnazzar). But he had been present and operating in Lordaeron well before that - growing the Cult of the Damned under Terenas' nose, and subverting lesser lords to further the plans of the Lich King.

Yep. Though Scholomance must have been so secretive that it never got into the minds of Arthas nor the Silver Hand.

[Aucald]

Yep. Though Scholomance must have been so secretive that it never got into the minds of Arthas nor the Silver Hand.

The Silver Hand probably not. I would assume Arthas knew it was a former stronghold of Kel'Thuzad once he became the pawn of the Lich king and Kel'Thuzad became his majordomo, though. Mostly seems to have been left to its own devices, researching different means and ways for the Scourge to enhance itself (like trying to create a Scourge Dragonflight).

[Aliven]

Who would go through the trouble of creating multiple accounts just to manipulate the results on an MMO-C forum poll?

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If that were true, they should have had Legolas carry the thing. Not even Gandalf wanted to touch it, and he's not human despite his appearance. No one but Isildur, Sméagol, Bilbo and Frodo aside from Sauron himself held it for a relevant amount of time.

Sorry, missunderstood you, you were talking about one ring. Somehow i read that as the rings the sauron forget for 3 races.

[Soon-TM]

Yes, even admitting that Frostmourne's influence was a mitigating circumstance, he can be held accountable. Now we just need a kangaroo court from Pandaria to charge him with war crimes

[Grazrug]

Yes, even admitting that Frostmourne's influence was a mitigating circumstance, he can be held accountable. Now we just need a kangaroo court from Pandaria to charge him with war crimes

I know this is two weeks old but THIS. The first sentence at least. There was no mind control involved. They baited Arthas hard. But he had control over his own actions against the better advices of friends, family and his mentor. That part can't be neglected. Post DK Arthas on Wc3 was full out evil from that point. Arthas had a choice. His victims didn't.

[matrix123mko]

He couldn't be held accountable as he was under effect of Frostmourne. Not to mention that the Lich King turned out to be right.

[Andonais]

He was we killed him

[zhero]

He couldn't be held accountable as he was under effect of Frostmourne. Not to mention that the Lich King turned out to be right.

right about what? he wanted revenge against the eredar lords that betrayed him.

[matrix123mko]

right about what? he wanted revenge against the eredar lords that betrayed him.

Azeroth with everyone dead would have been better place.