Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Dextroden]

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Cubans are not going to vote for anyone who say Castro wasn't all bad. You don't risk your life on a raft because some guy wasn't all bad

Then boy do a lot of Cubans look stupid for supporting Obama despite him saying the same shit.

[derpkitteh]

People need to not be stupid and look at things objectively on a case-by-case basis instead of "ZOMG DID I JUST HEAR THAT!?!?!"

Regarding that particular situation, I disagree with him, because I don't think the ultimate testimony is ever the "average" outcomes of things, but the outcomes of achieving individuals. The upper echelon if you will. But I digress, as that's not his platform or feelings. Point is: people need to not get so distracted and focus on the issue, not the associations.

you probably the same type of person that shit on me for saying hitler did some things right.

this stuff about bernie's comments was always stupid. every single dictator, warlord, and every other bad person did some things right. ted bundy liked his dog, probably too much. a person pointing that out isn't a bad thing, and never will be.

idk though, sanders shouldn't endorse biden when he drops out, if he wasn't the maintain credibility among his group. his group needs to separate from the democrats as well. create a new political party for it, cause they aren't going to get done what they want through the democrats, and this is just plainly obvious at this point.

[kaelleria]

https://www.axios.com/bernie-sanders...09584bac8.html

Sanders suspends FB ads. This usually is a precursor to fully suspending a campaign.

[BeepBoo]

you probably the same type of person that shit on me for saying hitler did some things right.

I'm actually someone that has been shit on ON THIS VERY FORUM for saying I actually agree with ___SOME VERY EXPLICIT___ premises of mein kampf and explicitly absolutely none of the implementation or methodology of Hitler. So, no, I doubt I was. Endus hopped all over me, and probably was who hopped all over you.

idk though, sanders shouldn't endorse biden when he drops out, if he wasn't the maintain credibility among his group. his group needs to separate from the democrats as well. create a new political party for it, cause they aren't going to get done what they want through the democrats, and this is just plainly obvious at this point.

I agree, but our country is too caught up on the "zomg, no! If we fracture, the other party will just steam roll us!" Both parties not realizing that if they both just did it, the old guard in both parties would be left with a very small portion that would lose. Trust me, the "right" is just as polarized between the old racist farts and the libertarians as the dems are socialists and whatever it is that currently votes for biden.

[cubby]

Benire withheld his mailing list in 2016.

He's already switched his party affiliation back to Independent for his 2024 senate race filing.

If people learned anything, there' no long term benefit to feeding the BErnie troll monster. Theyre' better off winning over AoC and Ayanna Pressely.

That's...disappointing. Sanders needs to get with Biden and give up everything he can to help Biden win. If he doesn't...that speaks volumes to the man's character.

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Clinton tried that, and was met with a surly response that essentially served as a dog whistle to his camp just how happy he was. By all means overtures need to be made. But my expectation of how cooperative Sanders will be is minimal at best.

I sincerely hope this time around Sanders is open and boisterous in this support for the nominee. If not, disappointment and a lot of "I told you so's" incoming.

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The Democrats got outflanked to their left and you are now saying "But its probably a smart policy or good, my team came up with it".

Heck Trump could propose and seriously push for a full Universal Health Care system, straight copy paste the UK system and a bunch of the Democrat loyalists in this thread would suddenly oppose it and cite Blue Cross spokesmen for talking points.

No, they wouldn't. And to say that speaks volumes to how little you know the people posting on this thread. Remember, the GOP is party over country. The Democrats are trying to help the country.

[Lenonis]

sanders shouldn't endorse biden when he drops out

political suicide.

if he wasn't the maintain credibility among his group. his group needs to separate from the democrats as well. create a new political party for it, cause they aren't going to get done what they want through the democrats, and this is just plainly obvious at this point.

The problem with this approach is it would give the GOP unprecedented power for probably at least 3 election cycles if not more. Do you really want to see a filibuster proof majority in the Senate with a majority in the house? Because that's what will happen if you split the democratic party into 2.

[Theodarzna]

No, they wouldn't. And to say that speaks volumes to how little you know the people posting on this thread. Remember, the GOP is party over country. The Democrats are trying to help the country.

Helping by offering less money and to less people is country over party how? And backing that as a good plan is proving your point how?

[Endus]

I'm actually someone that has been shit on ON THIS VERY FORUM for saying I actually agree with ___SOME VERY EXPLICIT___ premises of mein kampf and explicitly absolutely none of the implementation or methodology of Hitler. So, no, I doubt I was. Endus hopped all over me, and probably was who hopped all over you.

You'll find it matters exactly what premises you were supporting. You get judged on the merits (or lack thereof) of your stated position, accordingly.

That's not somehow a contradiction of my stance on Sanders, since I'm doing the exact same thing with his comments.

[BeepBoo]

You'll find it matters exactly what premises you were supporting.

Considering you were the one who brought it up at the time (taking a very explicit passage from MK without saying it was from such) and then asking me "how do you feel about this?" Probably waiting to "AH! YOU AGREE!?! HAHA, WOW THIS IS FROM MK BRO! HOW COULD YOU!" I'm not sure I believe you. If you had just disagreed with my feelings, you would have simply stated such and not bothered bringing MK into the discussion at all. You were looking to draw a parallel between my political views and some of hitler's specifically for defamation and distraction.

As for the sanders stuff... I'm not sure I follow. I haven't gone back to read the entire thread, nor do I plan to, nor do I recall any previous convos we had in this thread, so I have no point of reference to engage with regarding that. If you want to TL;DR here (I'm assuming it has to do with his controversial cuban statements), I'd be happy to read and engage with you from there.

[Rukh]

political suicide.

Not really. This is going to be his last presidential run. He's not going to lose his senate seat.

[Endus]

Considering you were the one who brought it up at the time (taking a very explicit passage from MK without saying it was from such) and then asking me "how do you feel about this?" Probably waiting to "AH! YOU AGREE!?! HAHA, WOW THIS IS FROM MK BRO! HOW COULD YOU!" I'm not sure I believe you. If you had just disagreed with my feelings, you would have simply stated such and not bothered bringing MK into the discussion at all. You were looking to draw a parallel between my political views and some of hitler's specifically for defamation and distraction.

If your views align with some of the worse passages in Mein Kampf, pointing that out is not "defamation", just exposure.

[Omega10]

The mainstream media got one last dig in at Bernie before he dropped out.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/berni...151757570.html

Title: Bye, bye Bernie

[QUOTE]So barring a catastrophe, Joe Biden will be the Democratic nominee running against President Trump in the general election that essentially begins now.[/b]

[cubby]

Bernie is losing so badly we're slightly ahead of the 2016 arc.

• Win New Hampshire - Manic delusions of grandeur, claim an a revolution of the masses.
• Lose South Carolina - blame minority voters
• Lose Super Tuesday - Cry rigged
• Win Michigan - Claim a magical connection with disgruntled white voter, appear on Fox News
• Lose More States - Claim that Trump or GOP are the "Real Progressives" <--------- you are here
• Claim DNC is rigged again
• Vote Jill Stein or Trump - "To Teach the DNC a Lesson"

It's going to be a long ass 7 and half months.

Interesting.

One item of note - Sanders' appearance on Fox News was amazing in the way he brought people into the fold in understanding M4A. He was set to get his ass kicked, and instead blew them all away.

I really do hope this time around Sanders' jumps in with both feet to support the winning nominee. The country needs it.

[Themius]

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Cubans are not going to vote for anyone who say Castro wasn't all bad. You don't risk your life on a raft because some guy wasn't all bad

Weird because all my Cuban friends and Cuban family don’t really care. But one of my friends who has family in Florida notes how Cubans in Florida are soo we conservative compared to up here and pretty racist.

Even my uncle who lives in Florida doesn’t care...

What is hard to understand about geographic differences affecting opinion?

[derpkitteh]

I agree, but our country is too caught up on the "zomg, no! If we fracture, the other party will just steam roll us!" Both parties not realizing that if they both just did it, the old guard in both parties would be left with a very small portion that would lose. Trust me, the "right" is just as polarized between the old racist farts and the libertarians as the dems are socialists and whatever it is that currently votes for biden.

the problem is that the libertarians have their party, it's just they won't fuck off to it and leave the conservative party.

if republicans and dems forced out these other ideologies, it'd shake everything up. we might actually break the two party system. which is why i don't think it'll happen, honestly. they want this system in place, and they're probably confident in their ability to control these other forces within their parties. these other forces will have to leave these parties on their own.

also, i don't think i'm gonna vote for trump now. country's headed in a bad direction no matter who wins, and now the $1,000 plan is only for people that filed taxes? even if they didn't pay any taxes? yeah, you can get re-elected without me then. fucking conservatives.

[cubby]

People in Italy did not vote for trump, they have better healthcare system, and are dying even more. Emergency rooms are now denied to anyone above 60. SIXTY.

Is there any data to show that US is doing worse in terms of infection/death rates etc. than other countries like Italy, France, Spain etc?
I mean in France we also spit on Macron, but we understand he is doing as bad/good as the rest of the planet.

Haven't you been paying attention. Trump said the young aren't at risk. Trump decommissioned the Pandemic Response Team - and then lied about it. Trump said there was nothing to worry about. Trump, on a daily basis, gets basic facts and information wrong - every day he fucks up items my 13-year-old could convey, and the experts have to fix it. EVERY DAY.

His own team fucked up a written statement.

Other world leaders are acting on advice of experts and implementing national pandemic policy. Trump told the state Governors "find a solution yourself".

The data isn't in the dead/infected, the data is in Trump's words and actions. Today, for fuck's sake TODAY, Trump lied about decommissioning the Pandemic Response Team.

[Flarelaine]

Six states matter in this election. Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvannia, Florida, North Carolina, Arizona.

I keep seeing this line too often.

But Congress also matters. The Senate especially, under the circumstances.

[Endus]

Dropping out though means people will not be tempted to go out to a crowded event to vote for him in future primaries. It solves a health concern.

That's actually a fair point, and I'll grant you that justification, even if I don't think it was why others were calling for Bernie to drop out.

[cubby]

Helping by offering less money and to less people is country over party how? And backing that as a good plan is proving your point how?

What are you even talking about? You proposed a hypothetical, and then guessed on a response after that. I suggested you were wrong because the GOP has always been party over country, while the Democrats have not.

The actual proposal being proffered by Congress was just announced, so don't give me "I was talking about the actual bill" bullshit.

You said this:

Heck Trump could propose and seriously push for a full Universal Health Care system, straight copy paste the UK system and a bunch of the Democrat loyalists in this thread would suddenly oppose it and cite Blue Cross spokesmen for talking points.

The Democrats would NOT oppose it, because, as I've pointed out and the facts demonstrate, the Democrats are about helping the country, while the GOP has become party-over-country.

[DarkTZeratul]

Because, obviously, there is no practical difference between Biden and Trump. They are both old white men with senile dementia and a dodgy history of opposing even the mildest imaginable forms of progressive policies.

The only possible reason any one could possibly care about the 2020 election now is reflexive tribalism. No one with intelligence cares which Republican they get.

The candidates are superficially similar, therefore you believe must be identical in all respects because you can't be assed to actually dig any deeper than that.