Mega-Thread: Coronavirus Pandemic

[szechuan]

*shrugs*
We'll see what happens...but tanking the economy? As much as some here want that, that probably won't happen.

The Economy is already tanking.

[Acidbaron]

Some of you are in for a rude awakening once you really ends up in ICU's stuck to respirators and they looker closer to your age than that of your grand parents.

I hope that lesson does not involve someone you know not being able to get help because there is no room, because some people believed you can ride it all out.

Yes, yes i know sky is falling, Pale horseman coming to town, etc, etc. We can argue about all of this till we all turn blue, the reality is in a good week most will sing a different tune when it comes to the US.

[Forogil]

It's not really to give comfort just that life will go on even if you add (god forbid) another 1-2million on top of that (mostly elderly sick people). I'd rather not see a spike in suicide rates because people go homeless from losing their jobs in this fucked country

True, and it also depends on whether the elderly prefer to see their relatives or reduce the risk of dying.
Living is more than just not dying.

[Dug]

I haven't seen anyone in this thread say that life/country will fail from this. Well I see at least 1 person thinking the country may fail because we are fighting this but thats another story.


btw. the 1% estimate is low balling it. it's closer to 10% when it comes to elderly so overall may end up being more than 1%

Well with the economy tanking and the US's less than stellar track record on social safety nets things do look grim if we continue months long lockdowns

[Shadowferal]

The Economy is already tanking.

Fair point.
And how long do you think that can go?

[PACOX]

Idk will we? Japan and South Korea as far as I know are not on lockdowns and their numbers are fairly stable.

Japan has much better infrastructure to deal with illnesses. You're talking about two two countries that are already accustomed to self conscious about spread your illness to others. Where masks aren't uncommon, public services are more useful.

In SK they we're saying 'it might now get here', 'it's overblown', they prepared. PSAs, proactive closings that people respected, accessible testing and early monitoring/treatment of the sick.

Know what people did in FL when workplaces started to get shut down to self quarantine/reduce exposer? People flocked to the beach in crowds that were larger than before. Know what came after? Positive tests.

We've haven't even done a week in the US and people are losing their minds.

[Orange Joe]

Well with the economy tanking and the US's less than stellar track record on social safety nets things do look grim if we continue months long lockdowns

Not ~3.3million dead from 1 virus grim at least.

[Shadowferal]

Know what people did in FL when workplaces started to get shut down to self quarantine/reduce exposer? People flocked to the beach in crowds that were larger than before. Know what came after? Positive tests.

How many died as a result?

[Orange Joe]

How many died as a result?

You do know it's not instant right? Make this kinda question asinine.

[Acidbaron]

Even with Young people it can cause Life Long Damage to their bodies.

Mhm, an inconvenient fact most are overlooking. As someone who first hand had parts of his life determined by a lung illnesses. Young people could very well be unable to work but at least the jobs were saved i suppose.

[PACOX]

*shrugs*
We'll see what happens...but tanking the economy? As much as some here want that, that probably won't happen.

There's quite a few people hurting already.

Small business owners who can't afford to pay their employees for time off. People who can't afford to take off.

People who aren't being laid off but not qualifying for unemployment. Imagine trying to get a job right now (or after) l.

[Grimbold21]

https://cmr.asm.org/content/20/4/660

So how relevant is this?

[Forogil]

Even with Young people it can cause Life Long Damage to their bodies.

Source? It's possible that this occurs for the young that had severe symptoms, but they normally already had other diseases at the start at as well.

[PACOX]

How many died as a result?

All the cases are less than a week old...meaning they probably don't even have a cough yet.

[Shadowferal]

You do know it's not instant right? Make this kinda question asinine.

Yeah...but as I posted earlier most will get it...and expect it.
We have that nearby in Montgomery County PA...and the ones they're bothering to test are those that are in serious condition.
That their play because not enough tests to go around.

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There's quite a few people hurting already.
Small business owners who can't afford to pay their employees for time off. People who can't afford to take off.
People who aren't being laid off but not qualifying for unemployment. Imagine trying to get a job right now (or after) l.

Employers could hire on those that have already had the virus.

[PACOX]

Source? It's possible that this occurs for the young that had severe symptoms, but they normally already had other diseases at the start at as well.

In the US a lot of people don't know what underlying condition they might have or not being treated. There's also a phenomenon called cytokine storm, where's an otherwise health person's body overreacts to an illness. The later can cause the sake respiratory illnesses found in a older person. Cytokine storm lead to many causes many complications and deaths during the Spanish Flu.

[Onikaroshi]

what if safety testing is curtailed or waived due to urgency?

Then you end up with the zombie apocalypse!

(That's how the series Zombie Fallout gets started, great series, doesn't take itself too seriously)

[Tuor]

https://cmr.asm.org/content/20/4/660

So how relevant is this?

A wall of txt really?

Uma parede de texto a sério?

[alexw]

I haven't seen anyone in this thread say that life/country will fail from this. Well I see at least 1 person thinking the country may fail because we are fighting this but thats another story.


btw. the 1% estimate is low balling it. it's closer to 10% when it comes to elderly so overall may end up being more than 1%

The 1% mortality rate is the current best guess for the death rate over the whole population with access to treatment.

The problem is that so many people will need treatment that most of them won't be able to get it. Hospitals will be overloaded.

If/when that happens the mortality rate will skyrocket.

Its why the death rate in Wuhan was so much higher than in other provinces.

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*shrugs*
We'll see what happens...but tanking the economy? As much as some here want that, that probably won't happen.

The economy will tank whatever happens.

If the virus is allowed to spread, once the deaths start coming in in significant numbers people will lock themselves away and self-isolate so they don't catch it. That will be equivalent to a lockdown and will tank the economy.

Or we can do as we are doing and mandate a lockdown which will also tank the economy.

[Forogil]

In the US a lot of people don't know what underlying condition they might have or not being treated. There's also a phenomenon called cytokine storm, where's an otherwise health person's body overreacts to an illness. The later can cause the sake respiratory illnesses found in a older person. Cytokine storm lead to many causes many complications and deaths during the Spanish Flu.

And that was especially the reason that many young adults died in the Spanish Flu since they have a more active immune system. The same age group does not show similar issues this time.

There might be cytokine storms in some of the bad cases, but it doesn't seem to be a major issue.