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    So a while ago, we were talking about Trump inviting Putin to G7 (formerly G8, but Russia was kicked out).

    Well, now nobody's coming. Better safe than sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    Who cares what the Chinese government wants you to call it? I'll keep calling it the Chinese virus just to piss em off. China denied it existed, censored doctors, and made some disappear. It is the "China virus" whether China or paid media shills say otherwise.
    Trump also tried to deny and downplay it, he still does, they stopped doctors from speaking too.

    No one is saying China didn't fuck up, but the idea that this is "their virus" is asinine.

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    So apparently a report came out in 2019 that basically predicted this outcome down to the lack of mask and inept ability of "leadership"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...game-2019.html
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    So a while ago, we were talking about Trump inviting Putin to G7 (formerly G8, but Russia was kicked out).

    Well, now nobody's coming. Better safe than sorry.
    Poor Trump even mother nature doesn't want him to have a sleepover with his master.

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    Probably the most devastating political ad I've ever seen.

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    You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Additional context on this one. Kelly Loeffler's Husband is Jeffery Sprecher, who just happens to be the CEO of the New York Stock Exchange. Yes, that New York Stock Exchange. If you are thinking that sounds like a conflict of interest, you haven't heard anything yet.

    Kelly Loeffler sits on the Subcommittee for Commodities, Risk Management and Trade. She is the most junior Senator in the Senate, so the GOP stuck her in this one on purpose. If it sounds like maybe you shouldn't put the wife of the NYSE boss on the subcommittee to regulate stock futures, then you clearly aren't thinking like Mitch McConnell, who stuck her there deliberately. It isn't like she is a separate entity from her husband, they hold their entire fortune jointly, including their stock holdings.

    So how did we elect this incarnation of conflicts of interest? We didn't. She was appointed by Brian Kemp, a man who knows a thing or two about conflicts of interest, as he became governor by acting as referee for his own election (And weirdly deciding in his own favor every time). Loeffler got the seat because she was the highest bidder. Literally. They are the largest GOP donors in Georgia, and promised to spend $20 million on her own relection campaign to hold the seat this November.

    So yeah. Pretty much par for the course for the modern GOP. Corruption from every single angle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Additional context on this one. Kelly Loeffler's Husband is Jeffery Sprecher, who just happens to be the CEO of the New York Stock Exchange. Yes, that New York Stock Exchange. If you are thinking that sounds like a conflict of interest, you haven't heard anything yet.

    Kelly Loeffler sits on the Subcommittee for Commodities, Risk Management and Trade. She is the most junior Senator in the Senate, so the GOP stuck her in this one on purpose. If it sounds like maybe you shouldn't put the wife of the NYSE boss on the subcommittee to regulate stock futures, then you clearly aren't thinking like Mitch McConnell, who stuck her there deliberately. It isn't like she is a separate entity from her husband, they hold their entire fortune jointly, including their stock holdings.

    So how did we elect this incarnation of conflicts of interest? We didn't. She was appointed by Brian Kemp, a man who knows a thing or two about conflicts of interest, as he became governor by acting as referee for his own election (And weirdly deciding in his own favor every time). Loeffler got the seat because she was the highest bidder. Literally. They are the largest GOP donors in Georgia, and promised to spend $20 million on her own relection campaign to hold the seat this November.

    So yeah. Pretty much par for the course for the modern GOP. Corruption from every single angle.
    Yes. I read this last night and this is more serious and more evidence that this was surely a stock dump. He needs to be fired, which he wont and she needs to go, which she won't.

    Oh for color commentary here. It's good the Republicans shun those New York, east coast, elites. Yes, they live in Georgia, but the NYSE is epitome of coastal elite.
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    You know it's bad, when experts agree with what you've been saying: Trump's supporters are more at risk to the coronavirus.

    The demographics, work patterns and media habits of President Trump's base are putting many of his supporters at elevated risk for the health and economic impacts of coronavirus.

    National surveys, including the Axios-Ipsos Coronavirus Index, found that Republicans and Midwesterners have been more likely to respond with less urgency than Americans who identify as Democrats or live in coastal centers.

    Trump voters in the 2016 exit polls were more likely to be older, married, middle-income, less educated and live in rural areas or the suburbs rather than urban areas.

    These factors could put them in danger even though most live outside of crowded cities with high infection rates such as New York and San Francisco.

    Trump's response to the crisis and his messaging about its seriousness are important — especially after his early suggestions that the virus wasn't that bad and multiple statements that it's "under control."

    Senior citizens face higher risks from the virus than younger people. U.S. counties with the highest percentage of people 65 years and older tend to be very Republican areas that voted for Trump in 2016, according to the Brookings Institution's William Frey, who analyzed Census Bureau data for Axios.

    "You're actually sitting too close. You should really — we should probably get rid of about another 75%-80% of you"

    All but one of the six states with the largest percentages of adults at higher risk from coronavirus voted for Trump in 2016, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) report.

    Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia, Florida, Alaska and Mississippi have the highest percentages of people without health insurance, according to the Census Bureau. All of those states voted for Trump in 2016.

    More than half of voters 65 years and older voted for Trump in 2016.

    Younger people with preexisting health conditions also face elevated danger compared with healthy peers. States with the highest rates of diabetes and hypertension are disproportionately Republican-leaning, per CDC data.

    The six states with the highest shares of adults under 60 who are at risk for the coronavirus voted for Trump in 2016, according to the KFF report.

    When it comes to work, people in blue collar jobs that are often difficult to do remotely — in fields such as transportation, construction, maintenance and installation — were far more likely to vote for Trump than for Hillary Clinton in 2016, according to a CityLab study.

    Blue-collar workers face financial hardships if they can't work because of sickness or losing clients who are trying to prevent the virus from spreading.

    For the 35% of Trump voters living in rural areas, social distancing may be easier, but there are clear downsides for treatment if infection occurs — and more hurdles to virtual communication.

    "The good [news] is that with less population density, there are less opportunities for disease spread," Rebecca Katz, director of Georgetown University's Center for Global Health Science and Security, told Axios. "The challenge is that access to health care may be limited, with fewer ICU beds or ventilators."

    Geography dictates the ease of being able to work, communicate and obtain information online. More than a quarter of Americans in rural areas do not have access to high-speed fixed broadband services, according to the latest report from the Federal Communications Commission. Only 1.7% of urban dwellers have that problem.

    Disinformation and distrust in the media could be putting elderly people and some Republicans at greater risk as well.

    "We’re going to have insurance for everybody. We’re going to have a healthcare that is far less expensive and far better."

    Research has found that older populations tend to be most susceptible to falling for and spreading misinformation. On average, Facebook users 65 years or older post seven times as many articles from fake news websites as adults 29 and younger, a study found last year.

    Republicans are less likely to trust media sources, and thus are more likely to place trust in just one news source: Fox News, according to the Pew Research Center.

    Fox's Sean Hannity, the highest-rated host in cable news, was criticized for initially downplaying the severity of the virus. The median age of a Fox News viewer is 65.

    76% of Republican respondents told Pew that they thought the media exaggerated the dangers of coronavirus, according to a new survey. Just 33% said the coronavirus was a major threat to Americans' health, compared to 59% of Democrats.

    Republicans (53%) were also far less likely than Democrats (80%) to say they have followed at least one precaution — such as "social distancing" — to prevent coronavirus spread in a recent KFF poll.

    Overall, elderly Americans and those living with people with serious health conditions were slightly less likely to have followed coronavirus recommendations compared to adults overall, the poll found.
    The Axios article contains the many citations. But the "the old and the uninformed voted for Trump" thing? Yeah.

    The following is not an actual prediction, just some cold numbers.
    1) If the coronavirus kills 2 million people, like some estimates have said
    2) and if the deaths are proportionately spread around the country
    3) and if the death rate follows over/under 65 as we've seen so far
    4) and if the 2016 election results were modified by those deaths removed, and nothing else

    Then, Trump loses Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Florida -- which I think means he loses the election. Simply put, the disproportionate nature of old people to vote, to vote for Trump, and also to get sick and die would force PA and MI over the line. FL wasn't as close, but FL is also disproportionately old.

    And that's not including anything else Trump has tried to do, and failed, over the last three years and counting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    Oh for color commentary here. It's good the Republicans shun those New York, east coast, elites. Yes, they live in Georgia, but the NYSE is epitome of coastal elite.
    Specifically, they live in a 7 figure walled mansion compound in the Atlanta outskirts. Absolute palace of a place, with huge grounds and giant walls. They truly understand the struggles of the common people.

    They are going to dump so much money into advertising, that all those poor rural voters that are going to suffer the most from will believe them, and vote for her in November. The sort of attack adds they run are so cringy, and have no content at all. They are typically just scrolling side shows of all the people they have been programed to hate (Like Pelosi, Schiff, Clinton...) and then lastly the candidate they are specifically attacking. Add some scary fonts and background music, and you have an effective attack ad, that has no content, but mentally links the specific candidate with all the programming efforts they have been doing for the last decade.

    It is brilliant propaganda, extremely effective, and targets the mass of voters they need. The democrats suck at such things, and always try complex and reasonable arguments on issues and records. This always fails in under-educated areas.

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    The NYC Mayor repeats his @Skroe -like call for the military to step in.

    The order has not been given by the commander-in-chief because he's not acting like a commander-in-chief. He doesn't know how, and he should get the hell out of the way and let the military do its job.
    Not everyone agrees. In fact, the damage might already be done.

    "I fear we are in for a once-in-a-lifetime shock to our economy that will make 2008 look small," Gary Gensler, a former chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, said in a telephone interview.

    Gensler was one of more than a half-dozen current and former government officials, Democratic and Republican, who told NBC News that the White House and Congress should be looking at injecting a sum much larger than — even double — the $1 trillion stimulus package proposed by President Donald Trump.

    Several said they believe that the White House and top lawmakers will see a need for more money, given the size of the economy and the hit it is taking across sectors, but that they may send relief in additional batches that are more politically palatable than a multitrillion-dollar chunk.

    "The amounts of support they're talking about would be about right if we were dealing with a normal recession, but that's not what this is — this is much broader and much deeper than any recession we've ever seen," Tony Fratto, who was a White House and Treasury Department official during President George W. Bush's administration, said in an e-mail exchange.

    "They're estimating 1 trillion, but it probably needs to be $2 trillion — just from fiscal spending providing direct support," he said. "They also need to be much faster. We needed it yesterday. Every day of delay means more hundreds of thousands of Americans losing their jobs. Speed is critical."

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., unveiled his version of the stimulus plan Thursday without an exact price tag. But he said the bill, expected to be in the neighborhood of $1 trillion, "will not be the last word."

    The main reason the coronavirus promises to be so costly is that it has halted so much of the nation's economic activity at once. Federal and state governments have asked — and in some cases required — businesses to stop operating, and consumers and workers have been encouraged to stay in their homes.

    Most fiscal stimulus plans represent efforts to juice activity or to save particular companies or industries. But in this case, the government is essentially trying to keep businesses from closing — and workers from being unemployed — while their operations pause.
    There was no way the US was going to take a multi-trillion-dollar hit without flinching.

    However, it is also worth noting that, if the 2017 federal deficit had remained in place in 2018, 2019, and 2020, the difference would have been almost $2 trillion.

    Now, I bring that up because the article I'm quoting also says this:

    The last dozen years of American politics have been defined by the populist backlash that followed the 2008 financial crisis and the ensuing bailouts and fiscal stimulus. The era gave rise to the tea party movement on the political right and the Occupy Wall Street movement on the political left — to Trump in the Republican Party and the debate-shaping Bernie Sanders in the Democratic Party.

    With Trump and most lawmakers on the ballot in November, politicians are weighing the collective peril of averting another depression against the individual risk of arousing populist fury with subsidies perceived as "bailouts."

    No one wants to take a bad vote, and aides in both parties report that phones are ringing off the hook with constituents urging their bosses not to vote to bail out corporations.
    Just throwing it out there: the sudden and massive increase in the federal deficit? As much as I'd want to taunt @Skroe with "military spending lol" I think we all know that's not it. It was the tax cut for the rich. We already had a corporate bailout. It's years too late to say "we don't want one". if we hadn't done that, if we'd managed to keep things at the status quo, then a multi-trillion dollar bailout for the country would still be bad, but it wouldn't be as bad. Silver linings and such.

    But, hey, it's looking less and less like we're going to declare war on Iran, right?

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    People dont just dislike trump calling it the chinese virus just for " muh feelings" and social justice points, although i do agree that is a large part of the concern is discrimination towards asians, however a bigger part and more white people should know this is people in majority white states might ASSUME if they have a very low asian population they dont have to worry about the virus and may risk higher exposure due to only conflating it with foreigners, which is a pretty big deal and why its important to make sure that they know covid-19 can target anyone and ISNT spread by asian immigrants like trump is implying, its actually hurting white conservatives to peddle in misinformation like this, so if anything the woke crowd is also looking out for them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    Trump also tried to deny and downplay it, he still does, they stopped doctors from speaking too.

    No one is saying China didn't fuck up, but the idea that this is "their virus" is asinine.
    Again. Trumps response has been pretty damn bad, but that will not stop me and others from keeping China in check. Trump can be voted out in November. Winnie the pooh can stay for life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    Again. Trumps response has been pretty damn bad, but that will not stop me and others from keeping China in check. Trump can be voted out in November. Winnie the pooh can stay for life.
    You're hurting Asian Americans. See the post above yours. The Chinese government doesn't give a flying fuck about you or Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurasu View Post
    You're hurting Asian Americans. See the post above yours. The Chinese government doesn't give a flying fuck about you or Trump.
    How am I hurting asian americans? Is that another chinese government talking point? Sorry, but anything can be twisted by low IQ people and that's not "my fault". Some black people think they are immune to the virus for some reason. Theres misinformation everywhere. But calling it "China virus" is pretty low on the totem pole of "misinformation" considering the virus did indeed come from China.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    How am I hurting asian americans? Is that another chinese government talking point? Sorry, but anything can be twisted by low IQ people and that's not "my fault". Some black people think they are immune to the virus for some reason. Theres misinformation everywhere. But calling it "China virus" is pretty low on the totem pole of "misinformation" considering the virus did indeed come from China.
    You just admitted calling it "China virus" was misinformation. Just stop doing it, and accept that many people believe it hurts asian americans. Accept it and move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrenheit View Post
    Probably the most devastating political ad I've ever seen.

    That is just... URGH! How does that man still have a following?! I keep asking this question, and this video makes me question it even more!!!
    But really nice that someone has weaponized his words against him in a really efficient manner.

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    WTF, now even Pompeo, our "very great secretary of state" is referring to it as the "Chinese virus"...

    Fuck this administration, every last one of them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    You just admitted calling it "China virus" was misinformation. Just stop doing it, and accept that many people believe it hurts asian americans. Accept it and move on.
    Many people, on this forum even, strongly believe travel bans can't stop the spread of the disease even as we have seen in real time how travel bans have worked to significantly slow it down. Many people believe the Chinese propaganda story how the US created the virus.

    What "many people believe in" means zilch. Facts matter and the facts are the Chinese government is directly responsible for the spread of the virus because they wasted half of december, and the first week in January, silencing doctors and downplaying the issue. They don't get a damned pass on this and calling it the "Chinese virus" or the "Wuhan Virus" is a perfectly good way of reminding the general population who is directly responsible for this.

    Because the worst thing that could happen if we ignore the responsibility the Chinese Government have for this pandemic, beyond letting them get away with the deaths of hundreds of thousands if not millions world wide, is we will get another case like this in the future. They bungled it with SARS and they've unleashed hell on the world with COVID-19.

    Compared to that? Yeah screw people's feelings.

    EDIT: None of this means Trump or any other leader ( especially those of Europe ) get a pass for how badly they bungled this. When China finally did act and shut down Hubei Province by instituting a complete lockdown every single political leader should have acted with extreme urgency.

    They didn't. They wasted the entirety of February because they didn't want to deal with the very costly problem that's going to require trillions to solve. Trump should count himself exceptionally lucky his administration imposed a travel ban and quarantine on travelers from China, because if they had not taken those measures at the end of January America would look worse then Europe is right now.
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    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    And now he's warning the US public to watch out for misinformation and to make sure that the sources they're getting their news from is not a bad faith actor...

    How utterly (and so very sadly) ironic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    How am I hurting asian americans? Is that another chinese government talking point? Sorry, but anything can be twisted by low IQ people and that's not "my fault". Some black people think they are immune to the virus for some reason. Theres misinformation everywhere. But calling it "China virus" is pretty low on the totem pole of "misinformation" considering the virus did indeed come from China.
    whats so hard about calling it novel coronavirus or covid 19, and letting people know it you are at risk even if your community dosent have a large asian population? as i posted earlier conservatives literally think they dont have to social distance as long as their community dosent have asian immigrants, its not just the racism angle its a public health risk, Its not PC SJW to call it by its fucking proper name ITS COMMON SENSE

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    LIKE this for example, and no thats not just 1 cherry picked example, its an ENTIRE mentality across the midwest/middle america

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