Mega-Thread: Coronavirus Pandemic

[Rozz]

Settle down and stop the needless back and forth.

[Theodarzna]

Texas Lt Gov Dan Patrick just straight up went on TV and said he's 70 but willing to die for the economy. This is a wild ass take. This is the new angle on all this. Die for the stocks! Guess Lt Gov Patrick didn't get the insider info to make some trades before his portfolio took a hit. Not only are you kids not getting your socialism, the rich are gonna make you take one for the team. Especially your kids in those dense, petri-dish cities. Gotta get back to work!

This is the real test: can you say this and not get the 2a crew and city kids out in the street?

We are dead ass into invisible hand demands a sacrifice territory

[Puupi]

I really, really hope so as well. But people need to realize just how expensive some of those drugs are. Even with health insurance they a can cost you $2k for a 30 day prescription.

100mg 100 tablets is 11e here. 300mg 100 tablets 30e.

Your pharma prices are so fucked up.

[Orange Joe]

Texas Lt Gov Dan Patrick just straight up went on TV and said he's 70 but willing to die for the economy. This is a wild ass take. This is the new angle on all this. Die for the stocks! Guess Lt Gov Patrick didn't get the insider info to make some trades before his portfolio took a hit. Not only are you kids not getting your socialism, the rich are gonna make you take one for the team. Especially your kids in those dense, petri-dish cities. Gotta get back to work!

This is the real test: can you say this and not get the 2a crew and city kids out in the street?

It's easy for him to say. He has top of the line health care.

[Gaidax]

... said the guy who makes one cringy post without any substance after the other. There is not enough content in everything you put in this thread to fill a Michael Bay movie with story. But sure, you go ahead and 'make China pay!'

What's 'not to turn into the new Italy, Spain, Iran or China' even supposed to mean? Number of Infected? Mortality? The Situations in all of these countries vary rather greatly in severity. So which one is it?

Here's the explanation. I'll indulge.

This means - the crisis needs to be managed in a responsible way. Which means that no, you don't want to wait until corpses start piling sky high (as seems to be the plan in US now), but on the other hand you also can't destroy peoples' livelihoods en-masse to save half a dozen patients.

For many countries it's already too late, but some countries do still have the luxury to balance between the needs of healthcare and the needs of the economy. What the aim should be is to pass this crisis with reasonable minimal causalities without completely destroying economy.

Why? Because next winter Coronavirus will return en masse and said governments need to be better prepared by then.


This will make the end of it for today. Good night.

[Skulltaker]

Here's the explanation. I'll endulge.

This means - the crisis needs to be managed in a responsible way. Which means that no, you don't want to wait until corpses start piling sky high (as seems to be the plan in US now), but on the other hand you also can't destroy peoples' livelihoods en-masse to save half a dozen patients.

For many countries it's already too late, but some countries do still have the luxury to balance between the needs of healthcare and the needs of the economy. What the aim should be is to pass this crisis with reasonable minimal causalities without completely destroying economy.

Why? Because next winter Coronavirus will return en masse and said governments need to be better prepared by then.


This will make the end of it for today. Good night.

Hey, look, you put in some effort and made a coherent argument. And you did it without any of the pointless frothing and raging. People got to you, and you showed some actual growth. Nice! More of that, please, less 'China needs to pay!' drama.

[Khaza-R]

100mg 100 tablets is 11e here. 300mg 100 tablets 30e.

Your pharma prices are so fucked up.

So I misspoke a bit because I thought they were using a different antiretroviral

The malaria drugs aren't unreasonably priced probably around $30 USD. The HIV drug is few hundred though depending on your insurance plan.

[beanman12345]

Texas Lt Gov Dan Patrick just straight up went on TV and said he's 70 but willing to die for the economy. This is a wild ass take. This is the new angle on all this. Die for the stocks! Guess Lt Gov Patrick didn't get the insider info to make some trades before his portfolio took a hit. Not only are you kids not getting your socialism, the rich are gonna make you take one for the team. Especially your kids in those dense, petri-dish cities. Gotta get back to work!

This is the real test: can you say this and not get the 2a crew and city kids out in the street?

We are dead ass into invisible hand demands a sacrifice territory

Literally willing and wanting others to die a painful death all for Trump. Trump has conned these fools good.

[Blur4stuff]

They may want to rethink that. Most cable news watchers and a bulk of the republican base are seniors.

[breadisfunny]

They may want to rethink that. Most cable news watchers and a bulk of the republican base are seniors.

rethink what?

[Crissi]

Texas Lt Gov Dan Patrick just straight up went on TV and said he's 70 but willing to die for the economy. This is a wild ass take. This is the new angle on all this. Die for the stocks! Guess Lt Gov Patrick didn't get the insider info to make some trades before his portfolio took a hit. Not only are you kids not getting your socialism, the rich are gonna make you take one for the team. Especially your kids in those dense, petri-dish cities. Gotta get back to work!

This is the real test: can you say this and not get the 2a crew and city kids out in the street?

We are dead ass into invisible hand demands a sacrifice territory

He's a notorious dumb ass. He's welcome to be the first to do so if he wishes.

But as someone who has lost all my grandparents, Id rather have them around tbh. Especially since they were adults during the great Depression and taught me a bunch.

[Draco-Onis]

Literally willing and wanting others to die a painful death all for Trump. Trump has conned these fools good.

I don't think this is entirely Trump to be fair our politicians are for sale and their masters are hurting badly from this.

[Theodarzna]

It's easy for him to say. He has top of the line health care.

I am amazed that it took less than a week for us to get to "The DOW Jones demands human sacrifice!".

The idea that the lives of some number are worth sacrificing for the sake of STONKS is one I figured would take like at least another week to come out. If the prospect of a major, potentially, deadly public health crisis doesn't warrant serious action to save lives at the expense of international finance, then what would? Is there any existential threat that would be permitted to stand in the way of the world economic system? He has--consciously or not--conceded that our lives are meaningless if they aren't spent making wealth not for ourselves, but someone else. That is the real Tea that the Texan just spilled.

He's a notorious dumb ass. He's welcome to be the first to do so if he wishes.

But as someone who has lost all my grandparents, Id rather have them around tbh. Especially since they were adults during the great Depression and taught me a bunch.

My post to orange Joe covers my feelings on such talk. I am amazed that he essentially conceded that not even a major pandemic disease is worth harming global finance capital, the world economic demands human sacrifice and for the red line of stocks, some will just have to be cast into the Moloch.

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Literally willing and wanting others to die a painful death all for Trump. Trump has conned these fools good.

I was hoping Trumps innate narcissism and desire to survive politically would keep him from making such a serious blunder. Heck pulling out the Trumpbux idea made me even believe "Dude, maybe his narcissism outweighs loyalty to the Stocks" but damn, its a verifiable cult. No sacrifice is too great to these ghouls.

[Thepersona]

So I misspoke a bit because I thought they were using a different antiretroviral

The malaria drugs aren't unreasonably priced probably around $30 USD. The HIV drug is few hundred though depending on your insurance plan.

300 hundred? Dude, here in Chile hydroxychloroquine costs around 50 USD (30 pills) and i considered that expensive.

Nevertheless, clinical trials start tomorrow in NYC. We'll probably see preliminary data by the end of the week.

[Endus]

Here's the explanation. I'll indulge.

This means - the crisis needs to be managed in a responsible way. Which means that no, you don't want to wait until corpses start piling sky high (as seems to be the plan in US now), but on the other hand you also can't destroy peoples' livelihoods en-masse to save half a dozen patients.

For many countries it's already too late, but some countries do still have the luxury to balance between the needs of healthcare and the needs of the economy. What the aim should be is to pass this crisis with reasonable minimal causalities without completely destroying economy.

This is pretty nonsensical.

The only value, the only value in the economy as a concept, is in how it supports the welfare of the consumers. That's it. Full stop. Beyond that, it has no value. In any question about which is more important; the economy or the public health, the answer is always "the public health".

Protecting the dividends paid out to shareholders while people are dying from a disease and can't even get into the over-capacity hospitals for treatment, that's a dystopian sci-fi plot that should be too monstrous to come about in real life. But here you are, advocating for something along those lines.

People's lives matter. The "lives" of businesses don't. If a business goes under because of stressors due to pandemic response, then another business will emerge with a better business model. That's what demand does; it creates that opening, waiting to be filled.

As for people relying on their wages; if your system is so fragile that a hit like this causes economic collapse, then your economy was a house of cards waiting for the first stiff breeze. The problem was your systemic failures, not the stiff breeze that knocked it over. Accept that blame, amend your policies, do better. You're the ones who fucked this up, not COVID-19.

[Corvus]

News this morning was saying that the health profession in Europe is being hit hard by this. 10% of all cases in Spain are doctors and nurses and some hospitals in Italy have lost up to 1/3 of their staff.

Over here in Australia numbers continue to climb sharply - 37% of all confirmed cases have been reported in the last 48 hours. Up to over 1700 cases and 7 dead. On the other hand our per capita testing is equal to SK and Singapore as the highest in the world and the positive results is among the lowest, at just 1.2%. It just isn't slowing down though. Maybe with everything going into lockdown we can get it under control like SK and Singapore have.

[Shadowferal]

Four Ways Experts Say Coronavirus Nightmare Could End

“There are four ways,” he told The Daily Beast. “One, it peters out with the weather. Two, everybody gets infected, so it’s got no new places to go... so it ends—but that’s a pretty horrible ending. Three is a vaccine, which is about a year away. Fourth way is the most likely: We’re going to have a few drugs, within a few weeks to a few months, that prevent people from getting infected—like PrEP for HIV—and for treatment.”

1.) President Trump has been widely mocked for framing the outbreak, at least early on, as a problem that would disappear when the snow melts. But he wasn’t entirely off base, experts have said.
Based on the epidemiological evidence currently available, there’s reason to believe that “with warmer, more humid weather” the virus will spread less efficiently, leading to a drop in cases, said Dr. Jeffrey Klausner, an adjunct professor of epidemiology at the University of California Los Angeles who previously worked for the CDC.
“With a reduction in cases, anxiety and panic will go down,” he added. “Severe illness will decrease, and we can go back to business as usual.”
Even the deadly hot spot in, for example, New York, would eventually cool, allowing museums and Broadway productions to reopen for the masses.

2.)The pandemic could spread consistently through the summer—unmitigated by a vaccine or therapeutic treatment—until everyone who can get the virus does get it, until there’s no one left to infect, in what Monto called “the worst case scenario.”
“I cannot get my head around 40 to 70 percent of the population being infected within the next few months, with a two percent fatality rate,” said Monto, painting a picture of a world where millions of Americans die and hundreds of millions of Americans might become infected.
In that situation, of course, nearly every aspect of life—business, education, cultural activity, agriculture, productivity, mental health—would be hit by likely irreparable damage. Without public gatherings, and at those numbers, it might be hard to even conduct funerals.
Instead of imagining that future, said Monto: “I have chosen to believe that we are going to be able to control this by non-pharmaceutical interventions.”
But, as Klausner reiterated, once the infection spreads widely enough, “there’s no more people to become infected.”
“That is contributing to the declines we’ve seen in China and in South Korea and in Japan,” he explained. “People in these highly localized areas, because of the broader spread of infection, have developed immunity.”
But until that happens to everyone everywhere, “the virus can still travel across the globe to naive communities, cause outbreaks, and then go away,” said Klausner.

3.)In another scenario, things could continue to spread and to get worse until someone develops a vaccine. But that’s at least one year away.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, has said that a potential vaccine will enter phase one clinical trial in April, and—if it proves to be effective—could find its way to the public within 12 to 18 months. Other potential vaccines are in the works in the U.S. and elsewhere, but none are likely to hit shelves any sooner, Fauci has said.
On the bright side, both Haseltine and Klausner said there’s reason to believe therapeutic treatments may be available to the American public within just a few months.
Haseltine said the likelihood is that at least one treatment option will be available through the public health system within weeks or months, and might even prevent the virus.
Dr. Klausner named two specific antiviral agents that look promising, including remdesivir and actemra, the latter of which he called “essentially a synthetic antibody” that is “currently being used and recommended for use in China” to treat the new coronavirus. It has been jointly manufactured by Roche and Chugai Pharmaceutical for use as an anti-inflammatory drug for rheumatoid arthritis.
Meanwhile, remdesivir, which was created by Gilead Sciences, has been reported as the most promising possible treatment for the virus because it is a “broad spectrum” drug that has shown effectiveness against various viral targets in lab testing.

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Though Monto said he disagreed with Haseltine and Klausner’s optimistic timelines for available therapeutic treatments, he still thinks Americans are not headed for the worst case scenario.
Americans, he said, will likely see further outbreak—and then case decline—similar to how the SARS epidemic spread in 2002 and 2003: “The scenario, therefore, is: We will have hotspots, it will persist for one or two months, and then it may go away, and we may never know why.”

[Orange Joe]

So I was curious and did a bit of quick research. It seems mortality rates lowered during the great depression. Only thing that rose was suicides but those increases were out matched by other decreases.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...ates-46713514/


So those of you claiming you are more worried about the economy over human life.


Fuck you.

[PACOX]

A SARS like burnout would be great.

[PhaelixWW]

A SARS like burnout would be great.

Can't feasibly happen, unfortunately.