Mega-Thread: Coronavirus Pandemic

[TirielWoW]

Barely a weak into relatively modest quarantines and we already are at that stage of Capitalism where "Human sacrifice is necessary to feed Mammon, we must give souls to the Stock ticker, only blood can sate its needs!"

You know, in Archaeology, the first indication of civilization isn't tool use, it's when we can identify rituals surrounding the burial of the dead. At around the same time, we also start seeing evidence that communities are taking care of their most vulnerable - the weak, the infirm, the elderly. That they continue to care for them and keep them safe and fed is one of the very first indications of human civilization.

There's something very wrong when people start to say, "Well why don't we let the weak and infirm die off?" That we don't abandon the weak, the infirm, the elderly, and the sick is what makes us human. The kind of thinking and so-called "logic" behind such statements indicates a type of sociopathy that is detrimental to the human race at large.

[jonnysensible]

This week/next week could be absolutely nuts in NY and Madrid. Its not going to be great anywhere else either

NY is so sharp almost vertical.

[Shadowferal]

There's something very wrong when people start to say, "Well why don't we let the weak and infirm die off?" That we don't abandon the weak, the infirm, the elderly, and the sick is what makes us human. The kind of thinking and so-called "logic" behind such statements indicates a type of sociopathy that is detrimental to the human race at large.

The very nature of a capitalist society puts a monetary value on human life.

[TirielWoW]

This week/next week could be absolutely nuts in NY and Madrid. Its not going to be great anywhere else either

NY is so sharp almost vertical.

And Trump is already talking about easing social distancing. >.< This is such a shitshow.

[Kiri]

The very nature of a capitalist society puts a monetary value on human life.

What's the monetary value of your life? Just interested what you consider that to be, tbh.

[TirielWoW]

The very nature of a capitalist society puts a monetary value on human life.

Which is why it's ultimately detrimental to humanity.

[Acidbaron]

Capitalism costing lives is not part of its nature it is how it is utilized, it can function perfectly fine without costing lives. It is an economic model not a sacrificial ideology.

[Anastacy]

I'm a native English speaker, and I don't have the words to adequately describe how utterly disgusting and cowardly what you wrote here is. When you do finally stand before God and answer for everything you have done in this life, I do wonder how you're going to explain that sentence to Him.

Spoiler Alert: Nothing you say will ever stand as justification.

Lol. How many times has your God wiped people off the planet, or smote someone just because he was PMSing? How do you know Coronavirus isn’t God at work again?

[Shadowferal]

What's the monetary value of your life? Just interested what you consider that to be, tbh.

I have no answer.
I'm neither a politician, libertarian, or statistician/numbers cruncher.
Of course if someone corners me in a dark alley, that person better be able to answer that question himself.

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Which is why it's ultimately detrimental to humanity.

I agree with you.
On its own, capitalism is a bad joke.
Back in my more religious phase, I always said that the Devil created the idea of capitalism to make it easy for himself.

[jonnysensible]

Capitalism costing lives is not part of its nature it is how it is utilized, it can function perfectly fine without costing lives. It is an economic model not a sacrificial ideology.

*laughs in Marxist*

[PC2]

So much drama here. Don't worry, capitalism will deal with this problem and nobody will care or remember in 5 years. I guarantee it.

[Shadowferal]

So much drama here. Don't worry, capitalism will deal with this problem and nobody will care or remember in 5 years. I guarantee it.

Science will prevail...not money.

[PC2]

Science will prevail...not money.

Exactly science and tech will fix this.

[Granyala]

Shouldn't the mainly weak and feeble 1% be prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice so that the 99% surviving can lead normal lives again?

If the health care systems collapse you are looking at a mortality rate of roughly 10%, if not higher.
Are you prepared to cull the worlds population by that much?

Current measures are aimed at reducing infection rates enough, so our medical staff and technology manage to keep up, thus keeping the death toll down.

[Shadowferal]

Exactly science and tech will fix this.

oh look at you backtracking now...why are you running away from "capitalism will save us?" That's you're fuckiing schtick!

[Egomaniac]

Science will prevail...not money.

Science can only prevail if people listen to the scientists.

[Theodarzna]

Capitalism costing lives is not part of its nature it is how it is utilized, it can function perfectly fine without costing lives. It is an economic model not a sacrificial ideology.

Our current moment begs to differ.

[PhaelixWW]

So much drama here. Don't worry, capitalism will deal with this problem and nobody will care or remember in 5 years. I guarantee it.

One third of the entire world's population in lockdown and you think "nobody will care or remember in 5 years"?

Your guarantee isn't worth the paper it isn't written on.

[Gaidax]

oh look at you backtracking now...why are you running away from "capitalism will save us?" That's you're fuckiing schtick!

I think you have a hard time realizing that these ventilator machines, these medical supplies need to be bought, well-being needs to be upkept and science does not work off ideas only, but also much in thanks to massive resources injection allowed by said capitalism.

My country placed an order for 10k ventilators in preparation for the winter, where they expect Coronavirus will resurge with vengeance, you think this equipment is bought by shaming the vendors and preaching socialist values to them? We are on a way to import 1 million test kits in coming month, after 100k initial shipment. You think we got this for free out of kindness of vendors' hearts? We are spiking our debt to GDP ratio from 60% to 70% to finance all the measures purchase equipment, prop healthcare AND give social security benefits to people who were forced on unpaid leave, something that in ordinary times does not cover them.

Your commie utopias do not work and it's not time now for idiotic socialist revolutions.

[Acidbaron]

Our current moment begs to differ.

It doesn't because Europe is also capitalist in ideology and the actions there differ. It is as has been said here multiple times, capitalism, communism, socialism and so forth all depend on the form of execution what effect it has on people and what version they are following as there are multiple trains of thought going on.