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    Quote Originally Posted by segara82 View Post
    He talks how the US can afford to put 1k into every adult citizens hands every month ad infinituum. If you want to expand on that, go ahead.
    But don't say that you can't afford it when someone just calmy listed the numbers and pointed out how to lay the groundwork for an UBI that can easily be expanded upon.
    Except his numbers come up short even after you transfer funds from other programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockybalboa View Post
    I'm not saying the virus is not a thing and precautions should not be taken. I'm saying it is not as grim and disastrous as what the media would like you to believe. They are covering and reporting like a 1000 new cases of infections spells the end of the world and that kind of bs when we can have easily 10 times the amount of people catching the common flu everyday. The media is capitalizing and exacerbating on people's fear for their agenda. That is my complaint. The disease is infectious but not as deadly as they would like you to believe.
    If we were living in a World with no healthcare, were as soon as one would get sick we'd consider him done for, that virus wouldn't make much of a difference indeed.

    Because that is what this disease is creating, a situation were healthcare facilities become so overwhelmed that not only salvageable new coronavirus cases cannot be treated, and thus become doomed to die, but all the other normal time patients face a situation where they might not be able to receive necessary care : ones appendicitis, another's car accident, that mother who faced complications in labor, this kid with severe asthma...

    In countries such as Italy, France and Spain, we've got situations where :
    -people are left to die, doctors having to select which patients they'll try saving
    -some retirement homes have been outright abandoned, most if not all their residents dying, the most lucky at least receiving palliative care.
    -less lucky ones are dying alone in their homes, or sometimes with an equally aged relative, with the corpse remaining for days before the overwhelmed funeral services can recover it
    -the health workers themselves are heavily afflicted, making a significant percentage of case, taking casualties when they're the most needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Roflmao and you think every country has the resources to produce everything on the scale they need? really now? besides this is in a time of crisis when things get back to normal companies have no financial incentive to reverse course and pay extra to produce things at home.
    I don't care about "every country." I only care about America. Other countries can do whatever they want.
    Quote Originally Posted by blobbydan View Post
    We're all doomed. Let these retards shuffle the chairs on the titanic. They can die in a safe space if they want to... Whatever. What a miserable joke this life is. I can't wait until it's all finally over and I can return to the sweet oblivion of the void.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fincayra View Post
    I don't care about "every country." I only care about America. Other countries can do whatever they want.
    America doesn't either there's a reason the majority of things we use are made in other countries. I mean look at the current crisis we can't produce enough masks and ventilators on our own it's embarrassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by segara82 View Post
    He talks how the US can afford to put 1k into every adult citizens hands every month ad infinituum. If you want to expand on that, go ahead.
    But don't say that you can't afford it when someone just calmy listed the numbers and pointed out how to limplement an UBI-like program that helps 80+% of american citizens that can be expanded upon.


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    Look man, won't someone think of the millionaires and billionaires?
    Populists (and "national socialists") look at the supposedly secret deals that run the world "behind the scenes". Child's play. Except that childishness is sinister in adults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    Look man, won't someone think of the millionaires and billionaires?
    they won't be able to afford that 40 million dollar mansion this year. oh the humanity! instead of a bentley they'll have to settle for a porsche.
    they won't be able to use cavier as dipping sauce anymore. no more money burning parties for them.
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    i will never forgive you for this blizzard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockybalboa View Post
    This virus is seriously blown out of proportions by the media who played a part in the big panic. The common flu is equally infectious and kills even more people yearly but doesn't get much attention. This one does because it has a name. And the media is rubbing it in and sensationalizing just for more readership and profits. Totally revolting.
    Wrong. The deathrate of the Corona Virus is 20 times higher than the common flu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    America doesn't either there's a reason the majority of things we use are made in other countries. I mean look at the current crisis we can't produce enough masks and ventilators on our own it's embarrassing.
    The reason we didn't produce our own things is because we raised the value of an American worker so much that it became cheaper to build in China. Unfortunately, China isn't a friend to the US, and they've been cutting off shipments for their own use. I don't know if you know history of the past 30 or so years, but that is what's happening, and why we are having issues.
    Quote Originally Posted by blobbydan View Post
    We're all doomed. Let these retards shuffle the chairs on the titanic. They can die in a safe space if they want to... Whatever. What a miserable joke this life is. I can't wait until it's all finally over and I can return to the sweet oblivion of the void.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fincayra View Post
    The reason we didn't produce our own things is because we raised the value of an American worker so much that it became cheaper to build in China. Unfortunately, China isn't a friend to the US, and they've been cutting off shipments for their own use. I don't know if you know history of the past 30 or so years, but that is what's happening, and why we are having issues.
    Please read what I said earlier we don't produce things to scale because there are no financial incentives for companies to do so maybe you will get them to produce them in another third world country but not here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockybalboa View Post
    I'm not saying the virus is not a thing and precautions should not be taken. I'm saying it is not as grim and disastrous as what the media would like you to believe. They are covering and reporting like a 1000 new cases of infections spells the end of the world and that kind of bs when we can have easily 10 times the amount of people catching the common flu everyday. The media is capitalizing and exacerbating on people's fear for their agenda. That is my complaint. The disease is infectious but not as deadly as they would like you to believe.
    Yeah m8, it's only 700 dead per day in Italy and Spain each. 10 pages of newspaper filled by mourning notes, while physicians have to decide who gets to live and who dies in overloaded hospitals. Relatives are saying goodbyes to their grans' over video conversations, as they proceed to be sedated and disconnected from health support, so they can die without suffering too much.

    Totally not grim and disastrous. why it's your casual flu m8. Can't understand what's the worry, guess India putting 1.3 billion people on complete lockdown for 3 weeks and NY becoming a ghost town is just a media stunt.

    Quite frankly, much of this situation is because of people like you, literally. Thinking it's some government conspiracy, media stunt or some kind of joke. Why I'm shocked you even post on forums, shouldn't you be getting some sun on the beach together with the hordes of other retards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Please read what I said earlier we don't produce things to scale because there are no financial incentives for companies to do so maybe you will get them to produce them in another third world country but not here.
    Incentives? You realize why much of IT and even high tech is being outsourced to India? Because you have people there working for a fraction of what people in 1st world countries get.

    In my case, for the salary I am getting here, you can hire 4-5 guys with the same skill set in India and these guys will be pretty damn good too. And I am not even in US, if I'd be getting US wage for what I do here, you'd have to bump that 4-5 number to 6-7 if not more. What incentive you propose to be given to my company? Coverage of my salary by the government?
    Last edited by Gaidax; 2020-03-25 at 12:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Wrong. The deathrate of the Corona Virus is 20 times higher than the common flu.
    Only as long as the hospitals can handle the load, which is also why its important to take counter measures.
    Probably why the route the US and Brazil will take will probably lead to even an higher date rate than Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Yeah m8, it's only 700 dead per day in Italy and Spain each. 10 pages of newspaper filled by mourning notes, while physicians have to decide who gets to live and who dies in overloaded hospitals. Relatives are saying goodbyes to their grans' over video conversations, as they proceed to be sedated and disconnected from health support, so they can die without suffering too much.

    Totally not grim and disastrous. why it's your casual flu m8. Can't understand what's the worry, guess India putting 1.3 billion people on complete lockdown for 3 weeks and NY becoming a ghost town is just a media stunt.

    Quite frankly, much of this situation is because of people like you, literally. Thinking it's some government conspiracy, media stunt or some kind of joke. Why I'm shocked you even post on forums, shouldn't you be getting some sun on the beach together with the hordes of other retards?

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    Incentives? You realize why much of IT and even high tech is being outsourced to India? Because you have people there working for a fraction of what people in 1st world countries get.

    In my case, for the salary I am getting here, you can hire 4-5 guys with the same skill set in India and these guys will be pretty damn good too. And I am not even in US, if I'd be getting US wage for what I do here, you'd have to bump that 4-5 number to 6-7 if not more. What incentive you propose to be given to my company? Coverage of my salary by the government?
    Nah retards are people like you who hoard toilet papers and preach fucking doomsday prophecies in forums all day and do nothing constructive. 700 people dead each day! Fucking doomsday is coming. We've never had hundreds of people dead from illnesses everyday ey? We already have isolation measures in place, then what more do you fucking want? If you are that heroic go to fucking hospitals or donate some quid and help out instead of QQing in the forums all day then? What have you fucking done for the situation except to whine and sob all day mate? You deserve a fucking Nobel Prize for repeating this shit ey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockybalboa View Post
    Nah retards are people like you who hoard toilet papers and preach fucking doomsday prophecies in forums all day and do nothing constructive. 700 people dead each day! Fucking doomsday is coming. We've never had hundreds of people dead from illnesses everyday ey? We already have isolation measures in place, then what more do you fucking want? If you are that heroic go to fucking hospitals and help out instead of QQing in the forums all day then? What have you fucking done for the situation except to whine and sob all day mate? You deserve a fucking Nobel Prize for repeating this shit ey?
    Are you out of your mind?

    You really want to tell me that what is going on in Italy, Spain and fucking New York is normal? Nothing to worry about, a okay?

    What have I fucking done? Yes, m8, let me go ahead and open up my billions to toss it at the economy and medical equipment purchases, while beating politicians with a stick on dumb as fuck heads for not enforcing quarantine earlier or fucking at all.

    I do, what every person with a fucking lick of sense does today - stay at home and only go out for provision and taking out trash. And yes, I sit on these forums telling people to be careful and to not take this situation as some kind of funny joke or non-issue, like some retards here seem to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockybalboa View Post
    Nah retards are people like you who hoard toilet papers and preach fucking doomsday prophecies in forums all day and do nothing constructive. 700 people dead each day! Fucking doomsday is coming. We've never had hundreds of people dead from illnesses everyday ey? We already have isolation measures in place, then what more do you fucking want? If you are that heroic go to fucking hospitals or donate some quid and help out instead of QQing in the forums all day then? What have you fucking done for the situation except to whine and sob all day mate? You deserve a fucking Nobel Prize for repeating this shit ey?
    Don't worry, we'll get to see what Covid does without it getting slowed down in a bunch of US states, you'll get your wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Incentives? You realize why much of IT and even high tech is being outsourced to India? Because you have people there working for a fraction of what people in 1st world countries get.

    In my case, for the salary I am getting here, you can hire 4-5 guys with the same skill set in India and these guys will be pretty damn good too. And I am not even in US, if I'd be getting US wage for what I do here, you'd have to bump that 4-5 number to 6-7 if not more. What incentive you propose to be given to my company? Coverage of my salary by the government?
    Did you reply to the wrong post because I agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Did you reply to the wrong post because I agree with you.
    Probably wrong reply then.

    I was more busy with that shitty troll trying to market the whole situation as some normal occurrence or some sort of media stunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Are you out of your mind?

    You really want to tell me that what is going on in Italy, Spain and fucking New York is normal? Nothing to worry about, a okay?

    What have I fucking done? Yes, m8, let me go ahead and open up my billions to toss it at the economy and medical equipment purchases, while beating politicians with a stick on dumb as fuck heads for not enforcing quarantine earlier or fucking at all.

    I do, what every person with a fucking lick of sense does today - stay at home and only go out for provision and taking out trash. And yes, I sit on these forums telling people to be careful and to not take this situation as some kind of funny joke or non-issue, like some retards here seem to do.
    I am not taking this lightly I just do not preach doomsday nonsense as the likes of your kind. Stop aiding the garbage media in further exacerbating fear and panic when the situation is tense enough already. This is not a doomsday scenario ffs. We just need to sit and wait out. Or better still help out in whatever ways we can

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockybalboa View Post
    Looking at the ridiculous amount of time you spend and amount of rubbish you spout on this forum even before the virus came about you are obviously some fucking slacker who get paid for slacking at your job if you even have one at all. If I were your superior wasters like you would be the first out of the door. Social welfare shouldn't be fucking wasted on people like you
    The only one who is full of shit here right now is you. Go preach your Corona flu media stunt to your fellow rednecks.

    What I do with my time is of no your concern, I'm a dev working from home period right now and I'm lucky I can do this, unlike 20% of population that found themselves out of job in matter of 10 days, because media stunt durr.

    Anyone with a pinch of common sense can see the shit is real. It's not some doomsday preaching, it's a full blown crisis and a very real danger to be careful of.

    No we won't be in Mad Max world in a year, but you WILL have hundreds of thousands dead by the end of it and you will have people on the streets too. This will take years to recover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    Don't worry, we'll get to see what Covid does without it getting slowed down in a bunch of US states, you'll get your wish.
    Wish for what? I am not Trump or the governors what the fuck do you want me to do? Sob in bed and whine in forums all day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockybalboa View Post
    Nah retards are people like you who hoard toilet papers and preach fucking doomsday prophecies in forums all day and do nothing constructive. 700 people dead each day! Fucking doomsday is coming. We've never had hundreds of people dead from illnesses everyday ey? We already have isolation measures in place, then what more do you fucking want? If you are that heroic go to fucking hospitals or donate some quid and help out instead of QQing in the forums all day then? What have you fucking done for the situation except to whine and sob all day mate? You deserve a fucking Nobel Prize for repeating this shit ey?
    You could also go out and get it and post your findings here, i mean that sure would proof us all wrong. It is just a flu after all.

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