How would the story be if the Night Elves were in Horde in the first place?

[Ardenaso]

I've seen some WC3 threads where many WC3 purists bash on WoW for reasons. One of their points was "the Night Elves should've never joined the Alliance in the first place" (though I know some valid reasons) and I'm thinking, title.

One of their points was something like: the druids would "heal" or "restore" the orcs in a way to completely remove their bloodlust (that is, if we completely disregard WoD)

Another one is that the Night Elves are against the Alliance's illustrious design and that they have abandoned the Highborne's glamorous design and that they're out of place in the Alliance and that they're better suited with the Horde.

Another one is that the Night Elves are savage like the Horde and that once again, they're not in the same wavelength as the Alliance.

Some big changes to the lore I think would be the Night Elves sent by Fandral to cause the Blood Elves to join the Alliance instead, and the Horde rejecting the Forsaken too because Tyrande. And that Cenarion Circle would be Horde exclusive and Argent Dawn Alliance exclusive. And probably Sylvanas and her Forsaken "serving their purpose" already after Arthas has been defeated and so they would be villains too right after

I'm thinking that it would be:

Alliance: Human, Dwarf, Gnome, High/Blood Elf
Horde: Orc, Troll, Tauren, Night Elf

What do you guys think?

[Moonrage]

Night Elves aren't savage, they're highly civilized, especially when compared to Orcs, Trolls and Tauren who just live in mud huts.

Also seems unlikely they'd ever join the Horde, keep in mind that the member of said Horde (who is still regarded as a hero by many) killed Cenarius.

[Varodoc]

And probably Sylvanas and her Forsaken "serving their purpose" already after Arthas has been defeated and so they would be villains too right after

Or she could just kys herself like she originally planned to do. It's so obvious Blizzard came up with the whole Edge of Night BS because they wrote themselves into a corner when they made Forsaken playable (that was also a last minute decision if I am not mistaken).

Anyway OP, WC3 "purists" would complain even more if that happened. The Alliance hasn't really done anything to the Night elves in WC3, whereas the orcs literally killed their demi-god Cenarius and ravaged their sacred forests. Look at how the NE community reacted when Sira and Delaryn joined Sylvanas, now imagine if the NEs joined the side of Grommash Hellscream...

[Trassk]

Night Elves aren't savage, they're highly civilized, especially when compared to Orcs, Trolls and Tauren who just live in mud huts.

Also seems unlikely they'd ever join the Horde, keep in mind that the member of said Horde (who is still regarded as a hero by many) killed Cenarius.

Wow, really not even trying to think outside the box are you?
It's a hypothetical situation.

Night elves are savage when compared to blood or high elves. They live in trees and in forests. They are one evolutionary process removed from trolls

[plz delete account]

Wow, really not even trying to think outside the box are you?
It's a hypothetical situation.

Night elves are savage when compared to blood or high elves. They live in trees and in forests. They are one evolutionary process removed from trolls

Really? Beautifully built, artistic structures compare to mud huts?
Have you even listened to their music?

[Trassk]

Really? Beautifully built, artistic structures compare to mud huts?
Have you even listened to their music?

whats this mud huts crap? Have you seen orgrimmar? Have you not seen how the orcs bases have been rebuilt?
And sorry but tauren have the best zone music.

[plz delete account]

whats this mud huts crap? Have you seen orgrimmar? Have you not seen how the orcs bases have been rebuilt?
And sorry but tauren have the best zone music.

Okay, wood huts with pointy metal bits.
And the Night Elves use harps and lutes in their music, and are renowned singers; not exactly savage like the drums, horns, and grunts of Orgrimmar.

[Frontenac]

It would have removed one of the main casus belli of the game, therefore boring story.

[Trassk]

Okay, wood huts with pointy metal bits.
And the Night Elves use harps and lutes in their music, and are renowned singers; not exactly savage like the drums, horns, and grunts of Orgrimmar.

Well one uses tribal based music, while the other just went up in a blazing inferno.

[Rozz]

Extremely unbalanced in the Horde's favor. The Night Elves could have easily been written as an OP "nation" that's only marginally weaker than its past imperial status.

And I'm really surprised people are keeping up this argument about NE 'sophistication' versus every other race that has proven to have a cultural equal. Even the ogres...

[Maljinwo]

It would probably mean the Night Elves would get to keep land at least once


It's funny how the Night Elves claim to be sophisticated when they live in hollowed trees at best

[Kyux]

Nelves were never this super savage race that people make them out to be. They have always been pretty conventional wood elves. I've played WC3 through several times now. They work with humans on several occasions and have major run ins with orcs. Namely them cutting down Ashenvale and then chaos orcs marauding around and killing Cenarius. It would have made 0 sense for them to join the Horde. They have always been a noble, tempered elf type. Just think back to when Tyrande first sees demons in the WC3 campaign.

[Feanoro]

Oh, this again.

Should have kept the WC3 factions. Alliance, Horde, Night Elves able to take on both, and Forsaken AKA NuScourge.

Failing that, they DESPISED the Orcs for killing Cenarius and being fel-using berserkers; it would have taken BfA level writing to justify them joining the Horde. Ruined either way by aging metal fans who see any kind of beauty or grace as weakness.

[Lothaeryn]

Oh, this again.

Should have kept the WC3 factions. Alliance, Horde, Night Elves able to take on both, and Forsaken AKA NuScourge.

Failing that, they DESPISED the Orcs for killing Cenarius and being fel-using berserkers; it would have taken BfA level writing to justify them joining the Horde. Ruined either way by aging metal fans who see any kind of beauty or grace as weakness.

Glad I'm not the only one who saw the original dev team's lack of creative talent boil down to 'thrash metal fanfiction'in the long scheme of things they did.

[cparle87]

I've seen some WC3 threads where many WC3 purists bash on WoW for reasons. One of their points was "the Night Elves should've never joined the Alliance in the first place" (though I know some valid reasons) and I'm thinking, title.

One of their points was something like: the druids would "heal" or "restore" the orcs in a way to completely remove their bloodlust (that is, if we completely disregard WoD)

Another one is that the Night Elves are against the Alliance's illustrious design and that they have abandoned the Highborne's glamorous design and that they're out of place in the Alliance and that they're better suited with the Horde.

Another one is that the Night Elves are savage like the Horde and that once again, they're not in the same wavelength as the Alliance.

Some big changes to the lore I think would be the Night Elves sent by Fandral to cause the Blood Elves to join the Alliance instead, and the Horde rejecting the Forsaken too because Tyrande. And that Cenarion Circle would be Horde exclusive and Argent Dawn Alliance exclusive. And probably Sylvanas and her Forsaken "serving their purpose" already after Arthas has been defeated and so they would be villains too right after

I'm thinking that it would be:

Alliance: Human, Dwarf, Gnome, High/Blood Elf
Horde: Orc, Troll, Tauren, Night Elf

What do you guys think?

Two comments. What do you mean by "disregard WoD" regarding the bloodlust? And there was no chance in hell of the night elves joining the Horde post-Cenarius.

[Razion]

I could imagine if Thrall got to the Night Elves before the Tauren or Trolls Thrall would have probably leaned to respect the forests in the name of preserving balance with the elements. But if that happened Thrall may not have saved Cairne, so the Tauren would have been wiped out by the Centaur. And if Thrall also didn't rescue the Trolls by the Naga, they also would have been wiped out. Since Orcs would be protecting the forests, and Goblin shredders with the Venture Co. would be running rampant for resources in their zones, it could be that the Orcs would never recruit Gazlowe to help construct Orgrimmar, which basically puts the Orcs in Darkshore closer to the Night Elves to be mutually beneficial.

I could probably imagine the Orcs close to the coast-line in order to fish so they disrupt as little forest as possible while they continue to adapt to druid culture. And if the Orcs were occupied in Darkshore, then the Night Elves may have turned to the Orcs to actually fight the Shatterspear that threaten the Night Elves in a small part of the zone which would have potentially tainted any future relationship the Orcs would have with Trolls going forward.

As well, if the Orcs were busy helping the Night Elves on the other side of Kalimdor, this means Thrall and Jaina wouldn't have had as much of a friendship and the early tentative peace between Orcs and Humans would be even weaker than it was back then - possibly even jeopardizing the unity of Azeroth's forces against the Burning Legion's invasion during the Third War and the Battle at Mount Hyjal. However, it's possible that with the Orc's aid that the World Tree Nordrassil would never be lost and the Night Elves could have kept their immortality.

Going forward, this means that Teldrassil would probably never have to be planted, and it would never be corrupted - leaving the Emerald Dream devoid of taint and allowing Malfurion to take on a much more active role in Night Elf society. And as Malfurion isn't lost to the Dream and his sleep influenced by Fandral Staghelm, it's possible that Fandral would have been ousted earlier and his eventual fall to Ragnaros would have been avoided as well. Since Thrall was so instrumental in stopping the demonic influence of Ragefire Chasm, he may even play a role in dismantling demonic threats to Night Elf culture in general.

When C'thun unleashes his invasion with the Qiraji, it's possible that the Orc and Night Elf combined forces would be overwhelming to the Old Gods, forcing them to re-prioritize their efforts to try and hinder or otherwise corrupt Night Elves and Orcs. With the Orcs and Night Elves basically keeping to themselves in Kalimdor and with the Orcs on a far less friendly set of affairs to the Humans, it's less likely that the Night Elves or Orcs would have lent aid as early to stop the Scourge forces of Naxxramas before it became a much bigger problem and ended up threatening more of the world. The Lich King by extension would probably sour any remaining inkling of hope for peace between the combined Night Elf and Orc forces to the Humans. And, assuming Humanity isn't wiped out by the Scourge it's possible that the Night Elves and Orcs may even finish them off to prevent something like the Lich King from happening again. Yet, without Humanity the Night Elves and Orcs wouldn't have the might of Tirion Fordring for the eventual needed crusade to dismantle the Lich King. However, with the immortality of the Night Elves intact it's possible that they would overwhelm the Lich King's undead forces.

With the Scourge having more reign over the Eastern Kingdoms earlier, it's possible that Quel'thalas and Undercity could have fallen to the Scourge before the Night Elves and Orcs got around to helping. Though, it's also possible that maybe Illidan's conflict with Arthas may spur the Night Elves and Orcs into early action against the Lich King as well.

With Orc and Night Elf culture mingling for so long before Cataclysm, it could be that Thrall could have ended up taking on Druidism rather than Shamanism. Without his work at the Maelstrom, Thrall would never have left Garrosh in charge of the Horde which would eventually no doubt lead to a lot less bloodshed but it would also mean that Thrall wouldn't be tending to the Maelstrom and he may also not be able to act as surrogate Earth Aspect in order to stop Deathwing. In an ideal timeline, Thrall would probably remain as a Shaman and somehow Tyrande or Malfurion would be able to lead the Orcs in his stead while the other of them manages the Night Elves during the Cataclysm. As long as Thrall is able to eventually act as Earth Warder for the Dragon Soul, Deathwing can still fall. Though, it's possible as well that the Night Elves with their immortality could be a significant threat to Deathwing by themselves. However, due to the conflict the Qiraji could have had against Night Elf and Orcish combined forces earlier augmented by the Night Elves' immortality, it could mean Deathwing breaks through and goes directly for the World Tree first in order to take its protection away -- again leading to a timeline where Thrall still needs to act as Earth Warder.

If the Blood Elves fell earlier to the Scourge, this would mean that Kael'thas wouldn't have had the opportunity to summon Kil'jaeden to Azeroth. As well, with the Orcs' history with the Draenei, it's possible that even though the Draenei were assisted by the Night Elves that they never would have united. Ultimately the Draenei would be necessary to dismantle the Legion and eventually the Void according to the prophecies of Velen, so it's also possible that Velen would have still pushed for his people to ally with the Night Elves and Orcs when it is necessary. The Worgen may still have their wall broken down - either by Scourge, or by Deathwing's upheaval. It's possible the Worgen still end up in an alliance with the Night Elves due to their connection with Goldrinn, but it's also possible that their humanity at this point prevents any kind of alliance with the Night Elves and Orcs. It could be if the Night Elves ever understand the strength the Worgen have over the Undead, and if their strength would be needed at all, that maybe a tentative alliance is formed that allows them to work together long enough to assist with removing the Lich King from power.

If the Human kingdoms fall too early to the Scourge, or even if the Eastern Kingdoms fall to the Scourge early, it could mean that the Dwarfs don't end up making it to Northrend. Without Brann's archaeological findings of Ulduar, it's possible Yogg'Saron would have a tight grip on Northrend in the event the Lich King was dismantled. However, with Malfurion and Thrall instrumental in this potential offensive on the Lich King, the taint of the land may still be discovered and yet may still be stopped regardless.

With Garrosh never coming into power, expeditions to Pandaria never happen and Pandaria faces a significantly weaker Sha threat (just Mantid) - but they also don't get assistance against the combined Thunder King and Zandalari forces. With the Darkspear earlier wiped out to Naga without the aid of Thrall, and with the Thunder King and Zandalari victorious in Pandaria, Vol'jin would never ascend to Warchief. And again, without Garrosh coming to power, the Iron Horde is never created and never makes its way into the main world of Azeroth. And now, in current events, if the Forsaken are dismantled by the Scourge early, this means that Sylvannas' genocide of the Night Elves doesn't occur and Sylvannas' breaking the ceiling of the world into the Shadowlands wouldn't happen either.

In this kind of reality, the ending race combined forces may look something like this for the Core Races:

Elven Horde: Night Elves, Orcs
Isolated/Uninvolved: Dwarfs, Gnomes
Hostile to Elven Horde: Goblin
Potential Allies or Neutral: Draenei, Worgen
Potentially Extinct: Tauren, Trolls, Forsaken, Blood Elves, Humans, Pandaren

As for Allied Races, the Zandalari's primary empire would possibly fall to G'huun without the aid of Azeroth forces, unless the Thunder King and the Mogu took action to stop it which is well within their motivations to do so. It's possible Zandalar would still fall, and that Pandaria would still be a dominant seat of power for the Thunder King and Zandalari, with the Zandalari greatly weakened by G'huun initially being unleashed. Without any reason for the Night Elves and Orcs to be in Pandaria or Zandalar, the Night Elves and Orcs may never be called to action to help stop the Old God until it reaches its influence beyond Zandalar. And with the fall of Zandalar, Vulpera would perish. If left unchecked, Kul Tiras could also fall. Additionally, with the Gnomes not present for the battle in Ulduar, Mechagnomes don't become a thing. Dark Iron would never end up allying with the Dwarfs without Wrynn around to unite the clans unless they all unite against the Scourge, or if they ever held out long enough for Moira's son to get the throne. Void Elves may not exist if the Blood Elves got wiped out by the Scourge earlier.

As for Dark Iron, them working to unleash Ragnaros may go uncontested for a while, as Orc forces wouldn't be as invested to go into Blackrock. Ragnaros would probably pose a very real threat to the World Tree if it hadn't already fallen to Deathwing. The Old Gods, if any remained hidden long enough or bode their forces well enough, would probably put a lot of their effort into trying to back Ragnaros. The Dark Iron would ultimately end up hostile to Night Elves and Orcs as they would almost entirely be siding with Ragnaros. Though, it could be that the Dwarfs and Gnomes having an entire focus on them could dismantle them early, assuming they weren't obliterated if the Scourge was left unchecked long enough to dominate the Eastern Kingdoms... so maybe Ragnaros doesn't even happen anyway.

Nightborne and Highmountain would remain in similar isolation in all likelihood, but would still remain as potential allies for the Night Elves and Orcs. Lightforged would at the very least would ally with the Draenei, and considering how willing the Lightforged are to work with Orcs in ending the Legion would probably be more receptive than not of past transgressions - especially considering the turn of face the Night Elves have probably done for them in all good influence.

There's absolutely a ton of what-ifs for all the races, but for Allied Races this is how I think it could look like:
Don't Occur: Mag'har, Void Elves, Mechagnomes
Probably Allies to Elven Horde: Nightborne, Highmountain, Lightforged
Potentially Extinct: Zandalari, Kul Tiran, Dark Iron
If Living, Hostile: Dark Iron

It was a lot to get through but I like to think I covered a lot of ground.

[Talrath]

Just like what Razion said above, If thrall was the first to meet the elfs instead of grommash then it would have been alot different. Thrall is actually calm, but because trolls and taurens being wiped out it would mean less races to choose. The powerbalance would be perfect, night elfs are immortal and are many + orcs who ran from humans. Give the humans some allies, like dwarvs and gnomes and youve got perfect powerbalance. Still, I would think the combination between elves and orcs would be aweful since both are very opposite of eachother. The elves are not really savage but more.... nature lovers who can make beautifull constructs out of wood and wisps etc. The orcs however are all about blood and thunder, they take what they want whenever they want. Ofcourse there are exceptions to this rule but the majority of the orcs are bloodcrazed warriors.

To be honest night elves have been dumbed down and made weaker to balance the games lore, basically a so called retcon in between the lines. Remember that the night elfs were able to hold the entire qiraji assault thousands of year ago and imprison them. During that time many would have died, but it happend thousands of years ago and thats enough time to get the numbers up again.

My idea of the night elf in the game should have been this:
Vanilla:
- Night elf areas unaccesible, darkshore + ashenvale + ferales + Mount Hiyal and felwood.
- Night elfs are Alliance race, however they the very minimum support to the Alliance.
- Night elf player cant acces the night elf zone, his introduction would be that he is of the new generation and has the obligation to find out whats happening outside elven lands.
- Horde is trying to get into night elf areas but cant cuz everytime they do they are annihilated by the elfs.

Cataclysme:
- Night elf lands are the new zones of the expansion + the usual cataclysme zones, reason? deathwing + Ragnaros threat.
- Horde force them into elf lands, except for Felwood and Mount Hiyal where they fight demons and above.

They could have done so much with a faction that is immortal but nope.

[Greengrim]

I could imagine if Thrall got to the Night Elves before the Tauren or Trolls Thrall would have probably leaned to respect the forests in the name of preserving balance with the elements. But if that happened Thrall may not have saved Cairne, so the Tauren would have been wiped out by the Centaur. And if Thrall also didn't rescue the Trolls by the Naga, they also would have been wiped out. Since Orcs would be protecting the forests, and Goblin shredders with the Venture Co. would be running rampant for resources in their zones, it could be that the Orcs would never recruit Gazlowe to help construct Orgrimmar, which basically puts the Orcs in Darkshore closer to the Night Elves to be mutually beneficial.

I could probably imagine the Orcs close to the coast-line in order to fish so they disrupt as little forest as possible while they continue to adapt to druid culture. And if the Orcs were occupied in Darkshore, then the Night Elves may have turned to the Orcs to actually fight the Shatterspear that threaten the Night Elves in a small part of the zone which would have potentially tainted any future relationship the Orcs would have with Trolls going forward.

As well, if the Orcs were busy helping the Night Elves on the other side of Kalimdor, this means Thrall and Jaina wouldn't have had as much of a friendship and the early tentative peace between Orcs and Humans would be even weaker than it was back then - possibly even jeopardizing the unity of Azeroth's forces against the Burning Legion's invasion during the Third War and the Battle at Mount Hyjal. However, it's possible that with the Orc's aid that the World Tree Nordrassil would never be lost and the Night Elves could have kept their immortality.

Going forward, this means that Teldrassil would probably never have to be planted, and it would never be corrupted - leaving the Emerald Dream devoid of taint and allowing Malfurion to take on a much more active role in Night Elf society. And as Malfurion isn't lost to the Dream and his sleep influenced by Fandral Staghelm, it's possible that Fandral would have been ousted earlier and his eventual fall to Ragnaros would have been avoided as well. Since Thrall was so instrumental in stopping the demonic influence of Ragefire Chasm, he may even play a role in dismantling demonic threats to Night Elf culture in general.

When C'thun unleashes his invasion with the Qiraji, it's possible that the Orc and Night Elf combined forces would be overwhelming to the Old Gods, forcing them to re-prioritize their efforts to try and hinder or otherwise corrupt Night Elves and Orcs. With the Orcs and Night Elves basically keeping to themselves in Kalimdor and with the Orcs on a far less friendly set of affairs to the Humans, it's less likely that the Night Elves or Orcs would have lent aid as early to stop the Scourge forces of Naxxramas before it became a much bigger problem and ended up threatening more of the world. The Lich King by extension would probably sour any remaining inkling of hope for peace between the combined Night Elf and Orc forces to the Humans. And, assuming Humanity isn't wiped out by the Scourge it's possible that the Night Elves and Orcs may even finish them off to prevent something like the Lich King from happening again. Yet, without Humanity the Night Elves and Orcs wouldn't have the might of Tirion Fordring for the eventual needed crusade to dismantle the Lich King. However, with the immortality of the Night Elves intact it's possible that they would overwhelm the Lich King's undead forces.

With the Scourge having more reign over the Eastern Kingdoms earlier, it's possible that Quel'thalas and Undercity could have fallen to the Scourge before the Night Elves and Orcs got around to helping. Though, it's also possible that maybe Illidan's conflict with Arthas may spur the Night Elves and Orcs into early action against the Lich King as well.

With Orc and Night Elf culture mingling for so long before Cataclysm, it could be that Thrall could have ended up taking on Druidism rather than Shamanism. Without his work at the Maelstrom, Thrall would never have left Garrosh in charge of the Horde which would eventually no doubt lead to a lot less bloodshed but it would also mean that Thrall wouldn't be tending to the Maelstrom and he may also not be able to act as surrogate Earth Aspect in order to stop Deathwing. In an ideal timeline, Thrall would probably remain as a Shaman and somehow Tyrande or Malfurion would be able to lead the Orcs in his stead while the other of them manages the Night Elves during the Cataclysm. As long as Thrall is able to eventually act as Earth Warder for the Dragon Soul, Deathwing can still fall. Though, it's possible as well that the Night Elves with their immortality could be a significant threat to Deathwing by themselves. However, due to the conflict the Qiraji could have had against Night Elf and Orcish combined forces earlier augmented by the Night Elves' immortality, it could mean Deathwing breaks through and goes directly for the World Tree first in order to take its protection away -- again leading to a timeline where Thrall still needs to act as Earth Warder.

If the Blood Elves fell earlier to the Scourge, this would mean that Kael'thas wouldn't have had the opportunity to summon Kil'jaeden to Azeroth. As well, with the Orcs' history with the Draenei, it's possible that even though the Draenei were assisted by the Night Elves that they never would have united. Ultimately the Draenei would be necessary to dismantle the Legion and eventually the Void according to the prophecies of Velen, so it's also possible that Velen would have still pushed for his people to ally with the Night Elves and Orcs when it is necessary. The Worgen may still have their wall broken down - either by Scourge, or by Deathwing's upheaval. It's possible the Worgen still end up in an alliance with the Night Elves due to their connection with Goldrinn, but it's also possible that their humanity at this point prevents any kind of alliance with the Night Elves and Orcs. It could be if the Night Elves ever understand the strength the Worgen have over the Undead, and if their strength would be needed at all, that maybe a tentative alliance is formed that allows them to work together long enough to assist with removing the Lich King from power.

If the Human kingdoms fall too early to the Scourge, or even if the Eastern Kingdoms fall to the Scourge early, it could mean that the Dwarfs don't end up making it to Northrend. Without Brann's archaeological findings of Ulduar, it's possible Yogg'Saron would have a tight grip on Northrend in the event the Lich King was dismantled. However, with Malfurion and Thrall instrumental in this potential offensive on the Lich King, the taint of the land may still be discovered and yet may still be stopped regardless.

With Garrosh never coming into power, expeditions to Pandaria never happen and Pandaria faces a significantly weaker Sha threat (just Mantid) - but they also don't get assistance against the combined Thunder King and Zandalari forces. With the Darkspear earlier wiped out to Naga without the aid of Thrall, and with the Thunder King and Zandalari victorious in Pandaria, Vol'jin would never ascend to Warchief. And again, without Garrosh coming to power, the Iron Horde is never created and never makes its way into the main world of Azeroth. And now, in current events, if the Forsaken are dismantled by the Scourge early, this means that Sylvannas' genocide of the Night Elves doesn't occur and Sylvannas' breaking the ceiling of the world into the Shadowlands wouldn't happen either.

In this kind of reality, the ending race combined forces may look something like this for the Core Races:

Elven Horde: Night Elves, Orcs
Isolated/Uninvolved: Dwarfs, Gnomes
Hostile to Elven Horde: Goblin
Potential Allies or Neutral: Draenei, Worgen
Potentially Extinct: Tauren, Trolls, Forsaken, Blood Elves, Humans, Pandaren

As for Allied Races, the Zandalari's primary empire would possibly fall to G'huun without the aid of Azeroth forces, unless the Thunder King and the Mogu took action to stop it which is well within their motivations to do so. It's possible Zandalar would still fall, and that Pandaria would still be a dominant seat of power for the Thunder King and Zandalari, with the Zandalari greatly weakened by G'huun initially being unleashed. Without any reason for the Night Elves and Orcs to be in Pandaria or Zandalar, the Night Elves and Orcs may never be called to action to help stop the Old God until it reaches its influence beyond Zandalar. And with the fall of Zandalar, Vulpera would perish. If left unchecked, Kul Tiras could also fall. Additionally, with the Gnomes not present for the battle in Ulduar, Mechagnomes don't become a thing. Dark Iron would never end up allying with the Dwarfs without Wrynn around to unite the clans unless they all unite against the Scourge, or if they ever held out long enough for Moira's son to get the throne. Void Elves may not exist if the Blood Elves got wiped out by the Scourge earlier.

As for Dark Iron, them working to unleash Ragnaros may go uncontested for a while, as Orc forces wouldn't be as invested to go into Blackrock. Ragnaros would probably pose a very real threat to the World Tree if it hadn't already fallen to Deathwing. The Old Gods, if any remained hidden long enough or bode their forces well enough, would probably put a lot of their effort into trying to back Ragnaros. The Dark Iron would ultimately end up hostile to Night Elves and Orcs as they would almost entirely be siding with Ragnaros. Though, it could be that the Dwarfs and Gnomes having an entire focus on them could dismantle them early, assuming they weren't obliterated if the Scourge was left unchecked long enough to dominate the Eastern Kingdoms... so maybe Ragnaros doesn't even happen anyway.

Nightborne and Highmountain would remain in similar isolation in all likelihood, but would still remain as potential allies for the Night Elves and Orcs. Lightforged would at the very least would ally with the Draenei, and considering how willing the Lightforged are to work with Orcs in ending the Legion would probably be more receptive than not of past transgressions - especially considering the turn of face the Night Elves have probably done for them in all good influence.

There's absolutely a ton of what-ifs for all the races, but for Allied Races this is how I think it could look like:
Don't Occur: Mag'har, Void Elves, Mechagnomes
Probably Allies to Elven Horde: Nightborne, Highmountain, Lightforged
Potentially Extinct: Zandalari, Kul Tiran, Dark Iron
If Living, Hostile: Dark Iron

It was a lot to get through but I like to think I covered a lot of ground.

Wow brother, thanks for the awesome read!!

[Super Dickmann]

Notably worse. The Night Elves don't fit with the Alliance but the notion that they should instead side with what's basically a band of refugees who raided their forests and chopped down their demigod is ludicrous. Even more so in any kind of subservient role to Thrall given the vast gulf in power.

[matrix123mko]

Anyway OP, WC3 "purists" would complain even more if that happened. The Alliance hasn't really done anything to the Night elves in WC3, whereas the orcs literally killed their demi-god Cenarius and ravaged their sacred forests. Look at how the NE community reacted when Sira and Delaryn joined Sylvanas, now imagine if the NEs joined the side of Grommash Hellscream...

The ending of campaign suggests that all the races in Kalimdor will now work together to protect Hyjal. There is a possibility that orcs and Jaina would join the night elves with them being the leaders.

- - - Updated - - -

Night Elves aren't savage, they're highly civilized, especially when compared to Orcs, Trolls and Tauren who just live in mud huts.

They are both savage. The difference is that night elves became savage for purpose.

- - - Updated - - -

Really? Beautifully built, artistic structures compare to mud huts?
Have you even listened to their music?

Horde has too beautifully built structures. Have you seen Blackrock Foundry and Hellfire Citadel?

- - - Updated - - -

Extremely unbalanced in the Horde's favor. The Night Elves could have easily been written as an OP "nation" that's only marginally weaker than its past imperial status.

And I'm really surprised people are keeping up this argument about NE 'sophistication' versus every other race that has proven to have a cultural equal. Even the ogres...

Exactly. Zandalari and Gorian Empire are above Tyrande culturally.

- - - Updated - - -

Notably worse. The Night Elves don't fit with the Alliance but the notion that they should instead side with what's basically a band of refugees who raided their forests and chopped down their demigod is ludicrous. Even more so in any kind of subservient role to Thrall given the vast gulf in power.

But what about the opposite? What if Jaina and Thrall pledged their loyalty to Tyrande?